East Region Fan Poll

[Bartman]

You are correct, 73.

The Lambert Trophy was for the top D1 team in the East (Penn State in 1971)
The Lambert Cup was for the top mid-sized team in the East (Delaware in 1971)
The Lambert Bowl was for the best small college team in the East (Alfred in 1971)

Wikipedia doesn't differentiate between "Cup" and "Bowl" but says the Lambert Cup is awarded to best D2 and D3 teams.

But we have the Lambert Bowl on display in the foyer of McLane Center along with a photo of Alex Yunevich, Joe Paterno and Tubby Raymond receiving their teams' respective trophies.

What a wonderful football heritage between Hobart and Alfred.....wish we could play!

Thanks for the correction on the Lambert Bowl and glad this brought back some great memories...I was there as well in the stands having ended my quiet football career due to injury the year before...although it was a tough loss for Hobart we knew we had a respectable program again after some tough years....45 years ago today

[AUPepBand]

Pep was looking for a book for a patron at Herrick Library in the "GV" section and happened to come across a book called "Football's Greatest Games," published in 1966 by Jim Koger, and checked it out.

The book writes a summary of the "Top 60" college football games ever played. Because of the years covered, it was fascinating reading for Pep. Having done some research on Alexander Joseph "Yunie" Yunevich from his high school days at Bicknell, IN (1924-1927) to his glory days at Purdue (1928-1932), and from his coaching at Central Michigan (1934-1936) to, of course, his time at Alfred (1937-1976), it was fun to read about some of the greats that Yunie encountered along the way.

Bartman's mention of the "Miracle at Geneva" on Oct. 14, 1971 combined with finding this book confirmed in Pep's mind the need to include in the Yunie book at least a brief summary of some of Alfred's greatest games. Others, such as the "Miracle at Merrill" of Oct. 31, 1964 and, perhaps, the "Miracle at Geneva" warrant their own chapter.

Pep would be interested in receiving more detail of Bartman's take on that game 45 years ago....and Mr. A-Z and Coach Davis.

[Saxon73]

Another anecdote concerning "Yunie" and Hobart occurred either the year before or after the Miracle at Geneva.

Although he liked to keep things simple, "Yunie" was not  beyond trickery.

As I recall the circumstances, Hobart was visiting and were to wear Orange jerseys.  "Yunie" thought this would make the ball harder to see during a run play. Back then, Alfred as home team would have worn white jerseys.

The story I recall was that "Yunie" called Hobart, told them their uniforms weren't back from the launderers yet and would Hobart mind wearing their home white jerseys - they declined.

I couldn't make this up

[wesleydad]

This is getting to be really tough.  I am still keeping h2h in mind, but each week I see teams that are just not looking as good as they did earlier when they beat some of the other teams being considered for list.  If I am right, it will all play out in the next 3 weeks and the teams that I think are the best in the MAC, Del Val, and the NJAC, Wesley will take care of business and warrant a return to the top of the poll.  Fisher seems to have run out of time with all the injuries on offense to keep winning, leaving Alfred clearly atop the E8.  St. Lawrence seems to be the class of the LL, but still has to beat Hobart.  WNEW and Salve Regina just keep winning in the NEFC and deserve recognition.  The NJAC is loaded with 4 teams, I am discounting Frostburg at this time, that could be at the top of the list, until Rowan struggles against SoVA, and CNU needs a miracle to get to OT to beat Montclair.  The east is what it is, plenty of pretty good teams, with no great team at this time.

[pg04]

Hoping Brockport can start creeping into the top 10 conversation in the upcoming weeks. 2 very close losses to Hobart and Fisher. On to next week vs Cortland, then what could be an important matchup at Alfred.

[Bartman]

This is getting to be really tough.  I am still keeping h2h in mind, but each week I see teams that are just not looking as good as they did earlier when they beat some of the other teams being considered for list.  If I am right, it will all play out in the next 3 weeks and the teams that I think are the best in the MAC, Del Val, and the NJAC, Wesley will take care of business and warrant a return to the top of the poll.  Fisher seems to have run out of time with all the injuries on offense to keep winning, leaving Alfred clearly atop the E8.  St. Lawrence seems to be the class of the LL, but still has to beat Hobart.  WNEW and Salve Regina just keep winning in the NEFC and deserve recognition.  The NJAC is loaded with 4 teams, I am discounting Frostburg at this time, that could be at the top of the list, until Rowan struggles against SoVA, and CNU needs a miracle to get to OT to beat Montclair.  The east is what it is, plenty of pretty good teams, with no great team at this time.

Agree with all of this. I think it is difficult to pick one of the undefeated teams over another ....Alfred, Stevenson and SLU(sorry but not putting WNE in this group) .. and the one loss teams could all be lumped together and they all could move up if undefeated fall or lose one more...Salisbury, CNU,Rowan(weak win today), Del Val,SJF(bad loss today), Hobart.....WNE is tough to assess until playoff time but could be lumped in with the one loss teams. I think Wesley will beat Rowan next week, and will start to move up the board as other one loss teams fall.... Albright, Utica , Brockport,Widener(??) are 2 loss teams that will jump up if they win out

[wesleydad]

This is getting to be really tough.  I am still keeping h2h in mind, but each week I see teams that are just not looking as good as they did earlier when they beat some of the other teams being considered for list.  If I am right, it will all play out in the next 3 weeks and the teams that I think are the best in the MAC, Del Val, and the NJAC, Wesley will take care of business and warrant a return to the top of the poll.  Fisher seems to have run out of time with all the injuries on offense to keep winning, leaving Alfred clearly atop the E8.  St. Lawrence seems to be the class of the LL, but still has to beat Hobart.  WNEW and Salve Regina just keep winning in the NEFC and deserve recognition.  The NJAC is loaded with 4 teams, I am discounting Frostburg at this time, that could be at the top of the list, until Rowan struggles against SoVA, and CNU needs a miracle to get to OT to beat Montclair.  The east is what it is, plenty of pretty good teams, with no great team at this time.

Agree with all of this. I think it is difficult to pick one of the undefeated teams over another ....Alfred, Stevenson and SLU(sorry but not putting WNE in this group) .. and the one loss teams could all be lumped together and they all could move up if undefeated fall or lose one more...Salisbury, CNU,Rowan(weak win today), Del Val,SJF(bad loss today), Hobart.....WNE is tough to assess until playoff time but could be lumped in with the one loss teams. I think Wesley will beat Rowan next week, and will start to move up the board as other one loss teams fall.... Albright, Utica , Brockport,Widener(??) are 2 loss teams that will jump up if they win out

Another team to consider for votes would be Husson, 7 point loss to Alfred, tied into the 4th quarter. 

Alfred is going to have to earn the title in the E8 with Brockport, Utica, and Fisher left on the schedule.  Brockport, with what look like 3 winnables and Alfred left, may be in the drivers seat if they beat Alfred.  If Fisher rights the ship and wins out they can still win the league.  If carnage ensues, the E8 winner may have 2 losses in league.  The NJAC is in the same boat.  The MAC comes down to this week with Del Val at Stevenson.  After watching Widener again yesterday, I do not see them beating Del Val when they play. But the MAC is a mess if Del Val wins and Albright wins out, creating a 3 way tie with all being 1-1 against each other.  More fun tiebreaker issues there.  The LL looks to be St Lawrence, but with Merchant Marine and Hobart left, they will have to earn it.  The pool C list will be very interesting and seeing who is regionally ranked with everyone beating each other will be important.  There is a chance that the east may not get a pool C if carnage happens.  I would figure the first team up would have RR results and possibly a win or 2 and likely get in, but there are many good pool C candidates out there.  It is going to be fun.

[AUKaz00]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Stevenson ( 4 )	6-0	49	2	vs. #5 Delaware Valley
2   St. Lawrence ( 1 )	6-0	39	3	at Merchant Marine
3   Alfred	6-0	37	4	at Hartwick
4   Salisbury	5-1	31	6	vs. Kean
5   Delaware Valley	5-1	26	7	at #1 Stevenson
6   Rowan	5-1	23	5	vs. #8 Wesley
7   Christopher Newport	5-1	20	8	at Frostburg State
8   Wesley	4-2	14	10t	at #6 Rowan
9t  St. John Fisher	6-1	12	1	Open
9t  Western New England	6-0	12	9	at Endicott

Dropping Out:
Albright

Also Receiving votes:               
Albright 7
Hobart 3
Husson 1
Salve Regina 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Stevenson (1,1,1,1,2)
St. Lawrence (2,2,9,2,1)
Alfred (3,3,6,3,3)
Salisbury (8,4,2,5,5)
Delaware Valley (5,5,7,6,6)
Rowan (6,8,10,4,4)
Christopher Newport (7,7,5,7,9)
Wesley (9,10,3,8,NR)
St. John Fisher (NR,6,8,NR,7)
Western New England (4,9,NR,9,10)
Albright (NR,NR,4,NR,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,8)
Husson (10,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Salve Regina (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)

Key Matchups:
#5 Delaware Valley at #1 Stevenson
#8 Wesley at #6 Rowan

[ITH radio]

While we do spend a good amount of time on LL topics, 46 min mark has about 10 mins of talk on East Region teams. What do you think?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ith/2016/10/16/in-the-huddlle--liberty-league-football-talk-show

[wesleydad]

well the mess continues.  del val, rowan, and cnu lose.  others involved in closer games than expected.  changes again this week.  top 3 look solid, after that it is a crap shoot.  frostburg keeps winning, only loss to wesley.  husson only has a loss to alfred by 7 so i moved both of them in to my top 10.  albright comes back in with loses to stevenson and salisbury.  fisher comes back in by default, couldn't put anyone else in with 1 loss that looks better.  hobart keeps winning, but too many last second wins for me, just don't look that good.  the regional rankings are going to be very interesting.

[D3MAFAN]

I think I may have a little shake up everywhere in my voting. I think Stevenson separated themselves in the MAC and I think the NJAC teams continue to beat each other up, so who knows with them. The E 8 still comes down to the last few weeks. Although WNE struggled in the rain this week, I think they are still Top 10 along with Salve which may be better than I though this year. Husson still has its toughest test over the next three weeks, but has dominated the rest of the competition within conference. With the weather getting colder, this is where the real teams separate themselves.

[Bartman]

Wesleydad, I think you are selling the Statesmen short. They have two wins against solid E8 opponents in Brockport and Ithaca, in fact I think Brockport should be in the top ten discussion. Frankly I am old school and will rank a one loss team over the two loss teams unless there is strong evidence of conference superiority and this year , I have little evidence to rank the MAC or NJAC over the LL in out of conference games other than games between themselves, while Hobart has 2 decent E8 wins. We probably have to agree to disagree but other than the top three, I agree it is a crap shoot but I think losing one more game is worse than close scores against decent competition. Plus, like Wesley ,the competition gets up for teams that have dominated more over the last few years( eg Union really gets up for Hobart) . While I don't think this Hobart team is as well balanced as Hobart teams from the recent past it has a grittiness to it that never gives up and a great leader in Sweeney that loves to have the ball in his hands at the end of the game and a defense that is getting better every week .Hopefully Hobart will prove it over the next two weeks with wins over WPI and SLU and another trip to playoffs. With great respect, Bartman

[wesleydad]

Wesleydad, I think you are selling the Statesmen short. They have two wins against solid E8 opponents in Brockport and Ithaca, in fact I think Brockport should be in the top ten discussion. Frankly I am old school and will rank a one loss team over the two loss teams unless there is strong evidence of conference superiority and this year , I have little evidence to rank the MAC or NJAC over the LL in out of conference games other than games between themselves, while Hobart has 2 decent E8 wins. We probably have to agree to disagree but other than the top three, I agree it is a crap shoot but I think losing one more game is worse than close scores against decent competition. Plus, like Wesley ,the competition gets up for teams that have dominated more over the last few years( eg Union really gets up for Hobart) . While I don't think this Hobart team is as well balanced as Hobart teams from the recent past it has a grittiness to it that never gives up and a great leader in Sweeney that loves to have the ball in his hands at the end of the game and a defense that is getting better every week .Hopefully Hobart will prove it over the next two weeks with wins over WPI and SLU and another trip to playoffs. With great respect, Bartman

No issue here.  I just do not like when teams have to scramble to win games they should win easily which is what Hobart has done.  I was also surprised by the 8-0 St Lawrence win this weekend.  It is a mess in the east, I saw Stevenson play and do not think they are the best in the east, but hard to not have them #1 with wins over Albright and Del Val.  Wesley is the best team I have seen, but they keep other teams in the game with turnovers and penalties.  It will be fun come playoff time.

[AUKaz00]

Week 8 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Stevenson ( 5 )	7-0	50	1	at King's
2   Alfred	7-0	40	3	vs. Brockport
3   St. Lawrence	7-0	37	2	vs. Union
4   Salisbury	6-1	35	4	at Christopher Newport
5   Wesley	5-2	32	8	vs. Montclair State
6   St. John Fisher	6-1	19	9t	vs. Ithaca
7   Western New England	7-0	15	9t	vs. Maine Maritime
8   Albright	5-2	12	NR	at Widener
9   Frostburg State	6-1	10	NR	vs. Rowan
10  Hobart	6-1	8	NR	at WPI

Dropping Out:
Christopher Newport
Delaware Valley
Rowan

Also Receiving votes:               
Delaware Valley 4
Rowan 4
Salve Regina 4
Husson 3
Brockport 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Stevenson (1,1,1,1,1)
Alfred (3,2,2,5,3)
St. Lawrence (2,3,3,8,2)
Salisbury (4,4,4,3,5)
Wesley (7,5,5,2,4)
St. John Fisher (5,NR,6,6,8)
Western New England (8,8,7,NR,6)
Albright (10,NR,NR,4,7)
Frostburg State (NR,6,8,NR,9)
Hobart (6,10,9,NR,NR)
Delaware Valley (NR,NR,NR,7,NR)
Rowan (9,NR,10,10,NR)
Salve Regina (NR,7,NR,NR,NR)
Husson (NR,9,NR,NR,10)
Brockport (NR,NR,NR,9,NR)

[wesleydad]

Week 8 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Stevenson ( 5 )	7-0	50	1	at King's
2   Alfred	7-0	40	3	vs. Brockport
3   St. Lawrence	7-0	37	2	vs. Union
4   Salisbury	6-1	35	4	at Christopher Newport
5   Wesley	5-2	32	8	vs. Montclair State
6   St. John Fisher	6-1	19	9t	vs. Ithaca
7   Western New England	7-0	15	9t	vs. Maine Maritime
8   Albright	5-2	12	NR	at Widener
9   Frostburg State	6-1	10	NR	vs. Rowan
10  Hobart	6-1	8	NR	at WPI

Dropping Out:
Christopher Newport
Delaware Valley
Rowan

Also Receiving votes:               
Delaware Valley 4
Rowan 4
Salve Regina 4
Husson 3
Brockport 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Stevenson (1,1,1,1,1)
Alfred (3,2,2,5,3)
St. Lawrence (2,3,3,8,2)
Salisbury (4,4,4,3,5)
Wesley (7,5,5,2,4)
St. John Fisher (5,NR,6,6,8)
Western New England (8,8,7,NR,6)
Albright (10,NR,NR,4,7)
Frostburg State (NR,6,8,NR,9)
Hobart (6,10,9,NR,NR)
Delaware Valley (NR,NR,NR,7,NR)
Rowan (9,NR,10,10,NR)
Salve Regina (NR,7,NR,NR,NR)
Husson (NR,9,NR,NR,10)
Brockport (NR,NR,NR,9,NR)

Plenty of teams getting votes, which makes sense since it is hard to fill out the bottom of the poll with so many teams beating each other.  All ironed out in the next 2 weeks.