East Region Fan Poll

[D3MAFAN]

Week 2 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Frostburg State ( 3 )	2-0	44	2	at Christopher Newport
1t  Brockport State ( 1 )	2-0	44	3	at St. John Fisher
1t  Delaware Valley ( 1 )	2-0	44	1	at Wilkes
4   Albright	2-0	32	5t	at Lycoming
5   Wesley	0-1	29	4	at TCNJ
6   Alfred	1-0	27	5t	vs. Utica
7   Hobart	1-1	17	9t	vs. Shenandoah
8   Salisbury	1-1	10	7	at Kean
9   Springfield	2-0	9	NR	at Mount Ida
10  Framingham State	2-0	8	NR	at Bridgewater State

Also Receiving votes:               
Buffalo State 3
RPI 3
Stevenson 3
Christopher Newport 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Frostburg State (1,5,1,3,1)
Brockport State (2,2,2,1,4)
Delaware Valley (3,1,3,2,2)
Albright (4,4,5,4,6)
Wesley (7,3,6,7,3)
Alfred (5,9,4,5,5)
Hobart (6,7,NR,6,8)
Salisbury (9,6,NR,9,10)
Springfield (8,NR,10,8,9)
Framingham State (NR,NR,7,NR,7)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,8,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,9,10,NR)
Stevenson (NR,8,NR,NR,NR)
Christopher Newport (10,10,NR,NR,NR)

I will start the conversation.  What has Wesley done to remain #3?  They lost the only game they played and their starting QB is out for the rest of the season.  The backup has no track record of anything and just because Wesley has been able to replace QB's before does not mean this will work out as usual.  Trust me, I think I know how good they are going to end up being, but at this point in the season I almost removed them from the top 10 and may have if a few teams had not lost this weekend.  Not a big fan of using reputation as a barometer, rather like using the what have you actually done so far method.  Also not sure about Hobart and Salisbury, but at least they did win this week.  There are some pretty good 2-0 teams out there right now, but they lack the reputation.

Having had the opportunity to watch you guys in person and online. Similar to some of the Top 25 voters, Wesley has the best loss. The ability for you guys to reload is amazing and I think that having a bye-week and having 3 very winnable games over the next month will help this new QB. Wesley could easily be number 1, but to drop them below 5, just doesn't make sense to me, maybe if they lose to or have a close game with TCNJ, I would lower them on my ranking. How many teams other than Delaware Valley has beaten Wesley over the last 5 years, I can only think of Salisbury a few years back, but as I recall it took them a while to that.

[AUKaz00]

I will start the conversation.  What has Wesley done to remain #3?  They lost the only game they played and their starting QB is out for the rest of the season.  The backup has no track record of anything and just because Wesley has been able to replace QB's before does not mean this will work out as usual.  Trust me, I think I know how good they are going to end up being, but at this point in the season I almost removed them from the top 10 and may have if a few teams had not lost this weekend.  Not a big fan of using reputation as a barometer, rather like using the what have you actually done so far method.  Also not sure about Hobart and Salisbury, but at least they did win this week.  There are some pretty good 2-0 teams out there right now, but they lack the reputation.

Having had the opportunity to watch you guys in person and online. Similar to some of the Top 25 voters, Wesley has the best loss. The ability for you guys to reload is amazing and I think that having a bye-week and having 3 very winnable games over the next month will help this new QB. Wesley could easily be number 1, but to drop them below 5, just doesn't make sense to me, maybe if they lose to or have a close game with TCNJ, I would lower them on my ranking. How many teams other than Delaware Valley has beaten Wesley over the last 5 years, I can only think of Salisbury a few years back, but as I recall it took them a while to that.

It's much easier to quibble with individual votes, but less so with the aggregate.  I like how the varying schools of thought on some teams settle based on the votes and then teams clump together (more than can be done with an individual 1-10 ranking).  It'll be interesting to see how the three current tiers shake out going forward.

[jmcozenlaw]

Week 2 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Frostburg State ( 3 )	2-0	44	2	at Christopher Newport
1t  Brockport State ( 1 )	2-0	44	3	at St. John Fisher
1t  Delaware Valley ( 1 )	2-0	44	1	at Wilkes
4   Albright	2-0	32	5t	at Lycoming
5   Wesley	0-1	29	4	at TCNJ
6   Alfred	1-0	27	5t	vs. Utica
7   Hobart	1-1	17	9t	vs. Shenandoah
8   Salisbury	1-1	10	7	at Kean
9   Springfield	2-0	9	NR	at Mount Ida
10  Framingham State	2-0	8	NR	at Bridgewater State

Also Receiving votes:               
Buffalo State 3
RPI 3
Stevenson 3
Christopher Newport 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Frostburg State (1,5,1,3,1)
Brockport State (2,2,2,1,4)
Delaware Valley (3,1,3,2,2)
Albright (4,4,5,4,6)
Wesley (7,3,6,7,3)
Alfred (5,9,4,5,5)
Hobart (6,7,NR,6,8)
Salisbury (9,6,NR,9,10)
Springfield (8,NR,10,8,9)
Framingham State (NR,NR,7,NR,7)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,8,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,9,10,NR)
Stevenson (NR,8,NR,NR,NR)
Christopher Newport (10,10,NR,NR,NR)

I will start the conversation.  What has Wesley done to remain #3?  They lost the only game they played and their starting QB is out for the rest of the season.  The backup has no track record of anything and just because Wesley has been able to replace QB's before does not mean this will work out as usual.  Trust me, I think I know how good they are going to end up being, but at this point in the season I almost removed them from the top 10 and may have if a few teams had not lost this weekend.  Not a big fan of using reputation as a barometer, rather like using the what have you actually done so far method.  Also not sure about Hobart and Salisbury, but at least they did win this week.  There are some pretty good 2-0 teams out there right now, but they lack the reputation.

Having seen Wesley in person, #3 might be a tad bit too high at this moment, but to me, they will wind up as the #1 team in the East at the end of the year. They will beat Frosty and Salisbury and quite frankly, I'm not sure how much they'll truly be tested by the rest of the NJAC. DelVal has to go on the road to play an Albright team that I picked to win the MAC based on how much they had coming back on both sides of the ball, in the 4th road game out of 5 to start MAC play. While I think that Albright beats DelVal at home........those that saw the Wesley vs. Albright scrimmage said that Wesley would beat them 9 out of 10 times. Wesley runs the table from here to finish 9-1. DelVal wins every game except at Albright (who goes 10-0) and goes 9-1. Wesley gets the auto bid. DelVal gets in at 9-1 beating the East's #1 and with the only loss to what could be to the East's #2 (Albright) if they go 10-0 AND Wesley beats Frosty and Brock is picked off once.

Wesley has a huge, very experienced offensive line including an All-American candidate, a stable of big, fast WR's.......including an All-American in Okike, and a jet quick and surprisingly strong (for his size) RB in Lee. The defense has big size, experience and speed on the line and at LB and ridiculous speed in the defensive backfield. While #2 never shuts his yap the.......entire......game......he is D-1 fast and #5 (forget his name) almost made up about 25 yards, over about 75 yards, chasing down Nick Wright, a pretty fast DelVal LB as he scored with the fumble recovery. #5 looked like a 100 meter dash champion in pads.

Honestly, I was not overly impressed with the starting QB. He missed several wide open receivers against DelVal, including that brutal overthrow that was picked off. His decision making, not just on the fumble, baffled me given that he had a season under his belt. I truly don't think that Wesley is going to miss him. You are not replacing Joe Callahan. Heck, not even replacing the QB from Bensalem High School, Shane McSweeny (who was headed to DelVal if they weren't set at QB for several years at that time..................or so he told his Lehigh Valley Steelhawk Indoor Football teammate, John Lavelle, a season or two ago). I've heard good things about both the #2 and #3 QB's at Wesley. I can't remember a time recently where they haven't gotten solid QB play from a starter or a backup. Drass would NEVER leave that depth cupboard bare. I don't mean this meanly or as a personal swipe at Falkenberg, but his unavailability this early in the season, with a bye and a few games against the NJAC lightweights, could be a blessing to Wesley come the end of the year as they look to make a deep playoff run.

The Dover train keeps rolling on..............................

They've gotten it to the point where it is never a rebuild.................just a reload.

[rams1102]

I had Wesley #7. Based on the first two weeks they are not in the top 5 IMHO. At the end of the season they very well could be #1. Are they talented, Yes but appear to play to what they think they have to do to win. They thought Del Val would be a win and got surprised. Frostburg and Salisbury have the ability to knock them off. Every team in the top 10 can beat Wesley on any given day with the exception of Framingham. Let's see what the next few weeks will tell. They should cover the -27.5 at TCNJ. Let's see.

[wesleydad]

I had Wesley #7. Based on the first two weeks they are not in the top 5 IMHO. At the end of the season they very well could be #1. Are they talented, Yes but appear to play to what they think they have to do to win. They thought Del Val would be a win and got surprised. Frostburg and Salisbury have the ability to knock them off. Every team in the top 1 can beat Wesley on any given day with the exception of Framingham. Let's see what the next few weeks will tell. They should cover the -27.5 at TCNJ. Let's see.

I agree.  I have seen Del Val and Wesley live and Frostburg and Brockport on the computer and Wesley does not measure up to Frostburg or Brockport right now.  They lost to Del Val so they cant be ahead of them.  Albright beat Salisbury and Alfred beat Ithaca, how does that drop them below Wesley?  I have them #6 because they started out #1 and my bottom 4 were unranked to start the year.  The next 3 weeks will tell us nothing unless Wesley struggles then we will know that they are not a top team in the East.  Reputation is great until there is actual results to look at and then at that point bias has to go away.  You all know who I am a fan of, but I have no trouble putting them where I think they belong based on results.  They may end up the top team in the East when it is all over, but they will have to earn it, not just have it handed to them because of who they used to be.

[Bombers798891]

Reputation is great until there is actual results to look at and then at that point bias has to go away.

I guess I just don't feel like one game needs to invalidate a reputation. Three games? Okay, that's enough of a sample for me. But one game doesn't tell us much about anyone.

I mean, look at Hartwick. Do you think the fact that they shut out Alfred State last week means the Hawks have turned a corner on defense?

[MRMIKESMITH]

Week 2 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Frostburg State ( 3 )	2-0	44	2	at Christopher Newport
1t  Brockport State ( 1 )	2-0	44	3	at St. John Fisher
1t  Delaware Valley ( 1 )	2-0	44	1	at Wilkes
4   Albright	2-0	32	5t	at Lycoming
5   Wesley	0-1	29	4	at TCNJ
6   Alfred	1-0	27	5t	vs. Utica
7   Hobart	1-1	17	9t	vs. Shenandoah
8   Salisbury	1-1	10	7	at Kean
9   Springfield	2-0	9	NR	at Mount Ida
10  Framingham State	2-0	8	NR	at Bridgewater State

Also Receiving votes:               
Buffalo State 3
RPI 3
Stevenson 3
Christopher Newport 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Frostburg State (1,5,1,3,1)
Brockport State (2,2,2,1,4)
Delaware Valley (3,1,3,2,2)
Albright (4,4,5,4,6)
Wesley (7,3,6,7,3)
Alfred (5,9,4,5,5)
Hobart (6,7,NR,6,8)
Salisbury (9,6,NR,9,10)
Springfield (8,NR,10,8,9)
Framingham State (NR,NR,7,NR,7)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,8,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,9,10,NR)
Stevenson (NR,8,NR,NR,NR)
Christopher Newport (10,10,NR,NR,NR)

I will start the conversation.  What has Wesley done to remain #3?  They lost the only game they played and their starting QB is out for the rest of the season.  The backup has no track record of anything and just because Wesley has been able to replace QB's before does not mean this will work out as usual.  Trust me, I think I know how good they are going to end up being, but at this point in the season I almost removed them from the top 10 and may have if a few teams had not lost this weekend.  Not a big fan of using reputation as a barometer, rather like using the what have you actually done so far method.  Also not sure about Hobart and Salisbury, but at least they did win this week.  There are some pretty good 2-0 teams out there right now, but they lack the reputation.

Having had the opportunity to watch you guys in person and online. Similar to some of the Top 25 voters, Wesley has the best loss. The ability for you guys to reload is amazing and I think that having a bye-week and having 3 very winnable games over the next month will help this new QB. Wesley could easily be number 1, but to drop them below 5, just doesn't make sense to me, maybe if they lose to or have a close game with TCNJ, I would lower them on my ranking. How many teams other than Delaware Valley has beaten Wesley over the last 5 years, I can only think of Salisbury a few years back, but as I recall it took them a while to that.

You can add CNU to the list. 

[Swish3]

You beat me to it, MANDGSU!

GO CAPS!

[bman]

Week 2 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Frostburg State ( 3 )	2-0	44	2	at Christopher Newport
1t  Brockport State ( 1 )	2-0	44	3	at St. John Fisher
1t  Delaware Valley ( 1 )	2-0	44	1	at Wilkes
4   Albright	2-0	32	5t	at Lycoming
5   Wesley	0-1	29	4	at TCNJ
6   Alfred	1-0	27	5t	vs. Utica
7   Hobart	1-1	17	9t	vs. Shenandoah
8   Salisbury	1-1	10	7	at Kean
9   Springfield	2-0	9	NR	at Mount Ida
10  Framingham State	2-0	8	NR	at Bridgewater State

Also Receiving votes:               
Buffalo State 3
RPI 3
Stevenson 3
Christopher Newport 2
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Frostburg State (1,5,1,3,1)
Brockport State (2,2,2,1,4)
Delaware Valley (3,1,3,2,2)
Albright (4,4,5,4,6)
Wesley (7,3,6,7,3)
Alfred (5,9,4,5,5)
Hobart (6,7,NR,6,8)
Salisbury (9,6,NR,9,10)
Springfield (8,NR,10,8,9)
Framingham State (NR,NR,7,NR,7)
Buffalo State (NR,NR,8,NR,NR)
RPI (NR,NR,9,10,NR)
Stevenson (NR,8,NR,NR,NR)
Christopher Newport (10,10,NR,NR,NR)

I will start the conversation.  What has Wesley done to remain #3?  They lost the only game they played and their starting QB is out for the rest of the season.  The backup has no track record of anything and just because Wesley has been able to replace QB's before does not mean this will work out as usual.  Trust me, I think I know how good they are going to end up being, but at this point in the season I almost removed them from the top 10 and may have if a few teams had not lost this weekend.  Not a big fan of using reputation as a barometer, rather like using the what have you actually done so far method.  Also not sure about Hobart and Salisbury, but at least they did win this week.  There are some pretty good 2-0 teams out there right now, but they lack the reputation.

Having had the opportunity to watch you guys in person and online. Similar to some of the Top 25 voters, Wesley has the best loss. The ability for you guys to reload is amazing and I think that having a bye-week and having 3 very winnable games over the next month will help this new QB. Wesley could easily be number 1, but to drop them below 5, just doesn't make sense to me, maybe if they lose to or have a close game with TCNJ, I would lower them on my ranking. How many teams other than Delaware Valley has beaten Wesley over the last 5 years, I can only think of Salisbury a few years back, but as I recall it took them a while to that.

You can add CNU to the list. 

IMO Wesley still beats 6 of the top 10 fairly easily...

[Ralph Turner]

I agree with bman. Wesley could beat everyone below it in the Region.  If they lose another game in the next 3-4 weeks, then I would reconsider a #5 ranking. I think that they can re-assemble a team before crunch time against Salisbury and CNU. (8-1 and tri-champs?)

[wesleydad]

I agree with bman. Wesley could beat everyone below it in the Region.  If they lose another game in the next 3-4 weeks, then I would reconsider a #5 ranking. I think that they can re-assemble a team before crunch time against Salisbury and CNU. (8-1 and tri-champs?)

Ralph, non conference loss so it means nothing in the NJAC.  They win them all they win the NJAC.  The best team in the NJAC may just end up being Frostburg.

[ITH radio]

Most interesting east games this wkd (as discussed in our Weds video pod) IMO include:

Fram St vs. BSU
RPI vs. WNE
FBS vs CNU
BP vs SJF in Courage Bowl
SUNY M vs USMMA

[Bombers798891]

Most interesting east games this wkd (as discussed in our Weds video pod) IMO include:

Fram St vs. BSU
RPI vs. WNE
FBS vs CNU
BP vs SJF in Courage Bowl
SUNY M vs USMMA

I'm not too interested in the Courage Bowl (though any game helping good causes get a thumbs up). Yes, it's the conference opener for both teams, and conference play is all the rage. But Fisher's looked so bad and Brockport so good, I just don't see how this doesn't get ugly quick.

[fisheralum91]

It will get ugly quickly and many of the Fisher faithful- me included- will have other things going on that evening.
Its a shame that Fisher has taken such a definitive step back...disheartening actually.
I know that 9 or 10 win seasons year in and year out arent supposed to be expected, but damn that Hobart game was atrocious.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Most interesting east games this wkd (as discussed in our Weds video pod) IMO include:

Fram St vs. BSU
RPI vs. WNE
FBS vs CNU
BP vs SJF in Courage Bowl
SUNY M vs USMMA

Obviously I am interested in the Salisbury game, but I'll tune into the Fram St vs. BSU game on Friday to see how good Framingham is and hopefully watch the CNU vs Frostburg game for the night cap.