East Region Fan Poll

[wesleydad]

I am curious on how this poll is going to shape out this week, especially with my Gulls beating CNU and Albright getting beat very bad by Delaware Valley.

I think Salisbury swaps with CNU and Wesley and Frostburg switch spots. I still like Brockport as #1.

That means the Gulls jump over that SOLID #10 Stevenson

I got Brockport, Del Val, Wesley, Frostburg.  Went with the Del Val>Wesley>Frostburg line.  I have a 2 loss team in my top 10, but it is not Stevenson.  Alfred is tough as they are undefeated, but cant move them ahead of the top 4.  Game with Brockport in a few weeks will tell where they are and with a win would have to move them to 2 behind Del Val.  The east is stacking up to be very competitive and I know they dont do specific regions, but if Brockport and Del Val go undefeated and Wesley, Alferd, and Frostburgl have 1 loss add Framingham, Springfield, and Husson and that makes a pretty nice bracket.  Never too early to start conjecture on the playoffs.

My Top 4 are the same and then Alfred, Springfield, Framing, Salis and CNU. Couldn't come up with #10 so I put in Hobart.

My 2 loss 10 beat your 2 loss 10, that is why I have Ithaca at 10.

[Bartman]

I am curious on how this poll is going to shape out this week, especially with my Gulls beating CNU and Albright getting beat very bad by Delaware Valley.

I think Salisbury swaps with CNU and Wesley and Frostburg switch spots. I still like Brockport as #1.

That means the Gulls jump over that SOLID #10 Stevenson

I got Brockport, Del Val, Wesley, Frostburg.  Went with the Del Val>Wesley>Frostburg line.  I have a 2 loss team in my top 10, but it is not Stevenson.  Alfred is tough as they are undefeated, but cant move them ahead of the top 4.  Game with Brockport in a few weeks will tell where they are and with a win would have to move them to 2 behind Del Val.  The east is stacking up to be very competitive and I know they dont do specific regions, but if Brockport and Del Val go undefeated and Wesley, Alferd, and Frostburgl have 1 loss add Framingham, Springfield, and Husson and that makes a pretty nice bracket.  Never too early to start conjecture on the playoffs.

My Top 4 are the same and then Alfred, Springfield, Framing, Salis and CNU. Couldn't come up with #10 so I put in Hobart.

The Statesmen appreciate your fine judgment  after beating RPI 30-0 , but Weslydad is probably right to give the nod to Ithaca based on the H2H. I still think Alfred gets #3 based on undefeated status over Wesley and Frosty...I have to say I was  impressed with Frosty despite the loss as I watched the entire game. Brockport No.1 and Del Val No.2 are solid in their positions , and I am looking forward to seeing if Brockport can be as dominant the rest of the way as I think their talent is.
Brockport needs to really roll over some E8 teams to get their own NCAA bracket....which I think would be great

[D3MAFAN]

I am curious on how this poll is going to shape out this week, especially with my Gulls beating CNU and Albright getting beat very bad by Delaware Valley.

I think Salisbury swaps with CNU and Wesley and Frostburg switch spots. I still like Brockport as #1.

That means the Gulls jump over that SOLID #10 Stevenson

I got Brockport, Del Val, Wesley, Frostburg.  Went with the Del Val>Wesley>Frostburg line.  I have a 2 loss team in my top 10, but it is not Stevenson.  Alfred is tough as they are undefeated, but cant move them ahead of the top 4.  Game with Brockport in a few weeks will tell where they are and with a win would have to move them to 2 behind Del Val.  The east is stacking up to be very competitive and I know they dont do specific regions, but if Brockport and Del Val go undefeated and Wesley, Alferd, and Frostburgl have 1 loss add Framingham, Springfield, and Husson and that makes a pretty nice bracket.  Never too early to start conjecture on the playoffs.

My Top 4 are the same and then Alfred, Springfield, Framing, Salis and CNU. Couldn't come up with #10 so I put in Hobart.

The Statesmen appreciate your fine judgment  after beating RPI 30-0 , but Weslydad is probably right to give the nod to Ithaca based on the H2H. I still think Alfred gets #3 based on undefeated status over Wesley and Frosty...I have to say I was  impressed with Frosty despite the loss as I watched the entire game. Brockport No.1 and Del Val No.2 are solid in their positions , and I am looking forward to seeing if Brockport can be as dominant the rest of the way as I think their talent is.
Brockport needs to really roll over some E8 teams to get their own NCAA bracket....which I think would be great

Unfortunately, geography comes into play and with the lack of funding we can't have a true playoff (i.e. 1 vs. 32). However, we have to perform better after the 2nd round and play admirably on a consistent basis in round 3 and 4 or win Stagg. 

[Boxer7806]

I am curious on how this poll is going to shape out this week, especially with my Gulls beating CNU and Albright getting beat very bad by Delaware Valley.

I think Salisbury swaps with CNU and Wesley and Frostburg switch spots. I still like Brockport as #1.

That means the Gulls jump over that SOLID #10 Stevenson

I got Brockport, Del Val, Wesley, Frostburg.  Went with the Del Val>Wesley>Frostburg line.  I have a 2 loss team in my top 10, but it is not Stevenson.  Alfred is tough as they are undefeated, but cant move them ahead of the top 4.  Game with Brockport in a few weeks will tell where they are and with a win would have to move them to 2 behind Del Val.  The east is stacking up to be very competitive and I know they dont do specific regions, but if Brockport and Del Val go undefeated and Wesley, Alferd, and Frostburgl have 1 loss add Framingham, Springfield, and Husson and that makes a pretty nice bracket.  Never too early to start conjecture on the playoffs.

My Top 4 are the same and then Alfred, Springfield, Framing, Salis and CNU. Couldn't come up with #10 so I put in Hobart.

My 2 loss 10 beat your 2 loss 10, that is why I have Ithaca at 10.

Haha. Usually head to head settles these disputes but in this situation I guess not.

[AUPepBand]

Where is that guy who posts the weekly East Region Fan Poll? Was he at Yankee Stadium tonight? Where's AUKaz00's loyalty to these boards?

[AUKaz00]

Week 6 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Brockport State ( 3 )	5-0	47	1	vs. Morrisville State
1t  Delaware Valley ( 2 )	6-0	47	2	vs. King's
3   Wesley	4-1	40	4	vs. Kean
4   Frostburg State	4-1	33	3	at William Paterson
5   Alfred	5-0	30	5	at Cortland
6   Framingham State	5-0	27	6	at Plymouth State
7   Springfield	6-0	18	7t	at Merchant Marine
8   Salisbury	4-1	13	NR	at Montclair State
9   Albright	5-1	6	9	Open Date
10t Christopher Newport	4-2	4	7t	Open Date
10t Stevenson	3-2	4	10	at Lebanon Valley

Also Receiving votes:               
Trinity 3
Hobart 1
Husson 1
Ithaca 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9)
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)

[AUPepBand]

Stevenson must have looked good last week in practice, having moved up a notch on the "Steve" ballot during the Mustangs' bye week!

[Bombers798891]

Regarding getting their own bracket, last year's Alfred team strikes me as a sobering example of where upstate NY football is right now.

The Saxons went 10-0 in what the esteemed experts on this site considered one of the toughest conferences in the league. They get to round three and face Mount. Alfred is at home. They get a pick 6 on the opening possession. Their 2nd-team AA QB goes off for 577 yards and six TDs

With just over 20 minutes left in the game, Alfred's played them basically to a dead draw. It's 35-33, and we're wondering if they're going to lament missing two XPs. And then Mount scores. And Alfred goes 3-and-out. And Mount scores again. Then Alfred scores, and Mount runs the onside kickoff back. And another three and out followed by another Mount score.

At the end of the day, Alfred threw everything they had at Mount Union and still lost by 25

I just wonder if there are too many D-III teams in this area/region, and the HS talent too spread out for these upstate NY teams to have the depth of talent needed to go toe-to-toe with some of these big boys. The closest we've had was the 2006 Fisher team that only lost by 12 to Mount. But even that was short-lived (witness the next three times the two teams played)

[Bartman]

The Steve hangs in there. Why? I looked at the stats on their game against Del Val and they were even on yards, moved the ball on Del Val defense but  they had 3 turnovers ....not sure if this means anything....but The Steve supporter must feel it does....personally, I think there are other 2 loss teams that are better...but I am voting for Trinity until I am convinced a 2 loss team is worthy...JMO......Also, I have Alfred at #3 as they are still undefeated..but I understand the Wesley/Frosty voters view in their ranking...

[Bartman]

Regarding getting their own bracket, last year's Alfred team strikes me as a sobering example of where upstate NY football is right now.

The Saxons went 10-0 in what the esteemed experts on this site considered one of the toughest conferences in the league. They get to round three and face Mount. Alfred is at home. They get a pick 6 on the opening possession. Their 2nd-team AA QB goes off for 577 yards and six TDs

With just over 20 minutes left in the game, Alfred's played them basically to a dead draw. It's 35-33, and we're wondering if they're going to lament missing two XPs. And then Mount scores. And Alfred goes 3-and-out. And Mount scores again. Then Alfred scores, and Mount runs the onside kickoff back. And another three and out followed by another Mount score.

At the end of the day, Alfred threw everything they had at Mount Union and still lost by 25

I just wonder if there are too many D-III teams in this area/region, and the HS talent too spread out for these upstate NY teams to have the depth of talent needed to go toe-to-toe with some of these big boys. The closest we've had was the 2006 Fisher team that only lost by 12 to Mount. But even that was short-lived (witness the next three times the two teams played)

Bombers, interesting post. 2016 was a Mount team that matured in the playoffs...Hobart was tied at the end of 3 quarters 20-20, but Mount took advantage of some turnovers and the wind....I think Mount has a special reputation and some excellent coaches and gets some "almost D1" recruits for various reasons. I also think the recruiting is brutal in the East for some of the best D3 players which necessitates recruiting out of state to areas where D3 teams are scarce for the # of HS players(Florida, California). As a result, the East is not a challenger at the Stagg anymore(maybe Brockport this year ?) but the top 5 Eastern teams can play with anyone in the 10-25 slots...

[dlippiel]

Week 6 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Brockport State ( 3 )	5-0	47	1	vs. Morrisville State
1t  Delaware Valley ( 2 )	6-0	47	2	vs. King's
3   Wesley	4-1	40	4	vs. Kean
4   Frostburg State	4-1	33	3	at William Paterson
5   Alfred	5-0	30	5	at Cortland
6   Framingham State	5-0	27	6	at Plymouth State
7   Springfield	6-0	18	7t	at Merchant Marine
8   Salisbury	4-1	13	NR	at Montclair State
9   Albright	5-1	6	9	Open Date
10t Christopher Newport	4-2	4	7t	Open Date

[tr]

10t Stevenson

3-2

4

10

at Lebanon Valley

[/b]

Also Receiving votes:               
Trinity 3
Hobart 1
Husson 1
Ithaca 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9)
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)

This has got to be just to bust wesleydad's balls lol 

[wesleydad]

The Steve hangs in there. Why? I looked at the stats on their game against Del Val and they were even on yards, moved the ball on Del Val defense but  they had 3 turnovers ....not sure if this means anything....but The Steve supporter must feel it does....personally, I think there are other 2 loss teams that are better...but I am voting for Trinity until I am convinced a 2 loss team is worthy...JMO......Also, I have Alfred at #3 as they are still undefeated..but I understand the Wesley/Frosty voters view in their ranking...

Bartman, I also have Trinity in my pool at 9.  Stevenson has 2 bad loses in my opinion.  Others with 2 losses have at least been competitive in 1 of them.  I tried to find someone with only 1 loss, I dropped Albright out because they have eeked out wins against middle teams and got trounced this week.  I had dropped them a spot for 2 or 3 straight weeks before this week.  I stated earlier that I did not know what to do with Alfred being undefeated and have no issue with them being at 3 - 5.

[wesleydad]

Week 6 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1t  Brockport State ( 3 )	5-0	47	1	vs. Morrisville State
1t  Delaware Valley ( 2 )	6-0	47	2	vs. King's
3   Wesley	4-1	40	4	vs. Kean
4   Frostburg State	4-1	33	3	at William Paterson
5   Alfred	5-0	30	5	at Cortland
6   Framingham State	5-0	27	6	at Plymouth State
7   Springfield	6-0	18	7t	at Merchant Marine
8   Salisbury	4-1	13	NR	at Montclair State
9   Albright	5-1	6	9	Open Date
10t Christopher Newport	4-2	4	7t	Open Date

[tr]

10t Stevenson

3-2

4

10

at Lebanon Valley

[/b]

Also Receiving votes:               
Trinity 3
Hobart 1
Husson 1
Ithaca 1
                     
            
Voting Distribution:            

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9)
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)

This has got to be just to bust wesleydad's balls lol 

Still dont get it and as mentioned above the practices must have been killer to move up 1 spot.  in the end it will not matter as they will likely loss to either Widener or Albright or both.

[ITH radio]

I just wonder if there are too many D-III teams in this area/region, and the HS talent too spread out for these upstate NY teams to have the depth of talent needed to go toe-to-toe with some of these big boys. The closest we've had was the 2006 Fisher team that only lost by 12 to Mount. But even that was short-lived (witness the next three times the two teams played)

I think it's that, plus tougher admissions standards, higher cost of attendance and lower level of importance on HS FB in the NE compared to places like OH, WI, MN, TX, etc.

[unionpalooza]

I'd be really interested in other folks take on this question - the failure of the Eqst to compete at the very top of D3.  It's not always been that way - the East used to have a Stagg Bowl participant most years during the 80s and 90s before dropping off a cliff in 1999. I had mostly assumed it came down to recruiting competition and program density - for example, NY has something like 18 and Mass 24 programs, versus 11 in Ohio and 5 in Wisconsin.  But are there other factors?  Admissions? Facilities?

Regarding getting their own bracket, last year's Alfred team strikes me as a sobering example of where upstate NY football is right now.

The Saxons went 10-0 in what the esteemed experts on this site considered one of the toughest conferences in the league. They get to round three and face Mount. Alfred is at home. They get a pick 6 on the opening possession. Their 2nd-team AA QB goes off for 577 yards and six TDs

With just over 20 minutes left in the game, Alfred's played them basically to a dead draw. It's 35-33, and we're wondering if they're going to lament missing two XPs. And then Mount scores. And Alfred goes 3-and-out. And Mount scores again. Then Alfred scores, and Mount runs the onside kickoff back. And another three and out followed by another Mount score.

At the end of the day, Alfred threw everything they had at Mount Union and still lost by 25

I just wonder if there are too many D-III teams in this area/region, and the HS talent too spread out for these upstate NY teams to have the depth of talent needed to go toe-to-toe with some of these big boys. The closest we've had was the 2006 Fisher team that only lost by 12 to Mount. But even that was short-lived (witness the next three times the two teams played)

Bombers, interesting post. 2016 was a Mount team that matured in the playoffs...Hobart was tied at the end of 3 quarters 20-20, but Mount took advantage of some turnovers and the wind....I think Mount has a special reputation and some excellent coaches and gets some "almost D1" recruits for various reasons. I also think the recruiting is brutal in the East for some of the best D3 players which necessitates recruiting out of state to areas where D3 teams are scarce for the # of HS players(Florida, California). As a result, the East is not a challenger at the Stagg anymore(maybe Brockport this year ?) but the top 5 Eastern teams can play with anyone in the 10-25 slots...