East Region Fan Poll

[D3viewer]

"I'd also be curious to hear the D-III coaches in NY talk about how often they lose a recruit to one of the in-state D-II/FCS schools."

Not a coach, but I'll partake anyway. Not sure how the initial recruiting went (if they were recruited by Brockport out of HS, have to assume they were) in terms of interest, but most people on here most likely know Brockport's 2 top offensive players are transfers. QB Joe Germinerio transferred from FCS Albany (TE there) and RB Justin Morrison transferred from D2 Gannon (PA).  So sometimes even if you initially lose out on a recruit you can still get him down the road. That's why you don't want to burn bridges when a kid tells you "no" and he's going elsewhere out of high school. In NY there are quite a few FCS schools, but not many/any D2 schools. But border schools like Gannon, Merceyhurst, Notre Dame (OH) and the PA/WV D2s will pilch recruits with "partial scholarships". The SUNY schools were originaly supposed to be part of Division 2 I believe. D3 was for small non scholarship schools and D2 was for larger state schools (like it is in PA and WV). So you could take al the MD state schools (Salisbury/frostburg) and NJ state schools (Montclair , Kean, Rowan etc) and combine them with NY state schools (Bport, Buff St, Cortland...) . They would all be D2 today if the plan bore out. I would have liked to have seen this played out.
I'd say the lower tier FCS schools are a problem for D3's in NY recruiting. Schools like Marist/Pace/Wagner/LIU Post. Probably not so much the Ivies (Columbia/Cornell) or somewhat more competitive/"legit" FCS schools like Fordham, Colgate. Albany. Stony Brook.

[bman]

I remember having this same discussion in 2003, definitely in 2004, then in 2005, 2007,2009, twice in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and now in 2017 so all is definitely ok in D3!

[bman]

Brockport needs to really roll over some E8 teams to get their own NCAA bracket....which I think would be great

This is interesting.  My first wild guess at four top seeds...Mount Union and UMHB are total no-brainers.  UW-O also probably in there if they run the table (definitely not a done deal).  But then some of the other usual suspects have lost games.  St. Thomas lost.  Linfield lost.  Hopkins has lost.  There's definitely opportunity. 

So undefeated Brockport/Alfred could be at the top of a region.  Delaware Valley has made a strong case so far (and if Wesley runs out the NJAC, that chip is very strong for the Aggies).  North Central is certainly in the conversation.  Wartburg has an interesting profile.  W&J is in play (but probably not CWRU).  There are a lot of reasonable ways to go regarding a fourth #1 seed right now.

...so Wally,since you said "reasonable"  what you're saying is that the NCAA will pick none of these options...

[Bartman]

Brockport needs to really roll over some E8 teams to get their own NCAA bracket....which I think would be great

This is interesting.  My first wild guess at four top seeds...Mount Union and UMHB are total no-brainers.  UW-O also probably in there if they run the table (definitely not a done deal).  But then some of the other usual suspects have lost games.  St. Thomas lost.  Linfield lost.  Hopkins has lost.  There's definitely opportunity. 

So undefeated Brockport/Alfred could be at the top of a region.  Delaware Valley has made a strong case so far (and if Wesley runs out the NJAC, that chip is very strong for the Aggies).  North Central is certainly in the conversation.  Wartburg has an interesting profile.  W&J is in play (but probably not CWRU).  There are a lot of reasonable ways to go regarding a fourth #1 seed right now.

...so Wally,since you said "reasonable"  what you're saying is that the NCAA will pick none of these options...

Exactly....+k

[Bartman]

Might want to consider SOS in future votes:

Voting Distribution:         SOS   

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)         .602   
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)         .558
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)                      .471
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)          .585
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)                        .549
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)      .4091
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)                .513
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)                    .497
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)               .614
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9) .589
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)          .528
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)                  X
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)              .593
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)              .647
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)               .649

[wesleydad]

Might want to consider SOS in future votes:

Voting Distribution:         SOS   

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)         .602   
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)         .558
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)                      .471
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)          .585
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)                        .549
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)      .4091
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)                .513
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)                    .497
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)               .614
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9) .589
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)          .528
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)                  X
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)              .593
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)              .647
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)               .649

Wesley's SOS will move way up since their schedule is back loaded.  Surprised that Albright is that high.  Brockport will drop a bit.  In the end I go with the eye test.  I have watched more games on the computer this year than I ever have.  Sucks not making games but the plus is seeing more teams.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Might want to consider SOS in future votes:

Voting Distribution:         SOS   

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)         .602   
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)         .558
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)                      .471
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)          .585
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)                        .549
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)      .4091
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)                .513
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)                    .497
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)               .614
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9) .589
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)          .528
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)                  X
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)              .593
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)              .647
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)               .649

Wesley's SOS will move way up since their schedule is back loaded.  Surprised that Albright is that high.  Brockport will drop a bit.  In the end I go with the eye test.  I have watched more games on the computer this year than I ever have.  Sucks not making games but the plus is seeing more teams.

Agreed, with the 10 team NJAC, it will go back up, especially considering Salisbury has not played either Frostburg or Wesley yet. Albright is high because they have played an undefeated Del Val that played you and they have played a 4-1 Salisbury team.

[Boxer7806]

Might want to consider SOS in future votes:

Voting Distribution:         SOS   

Brockport State (2,1,1,3,1)         .602   
Delaware Valley (1,2,2,1,2)         .558
Wesley (3,3,4,2,3)                      .471
Frostburg State (4,4,5,5,4)          .585
Alfred (6,5,3,6,5)                        .549
Framingham State (5,6,6,4,7)      .4091
Springfield (10,7,7,7,6)                .513
Salisbury (8,8,9,9,8)                    .497
Albright (NR,NR,8,8,NR)               .614
Christopher Newport (9,NR,NR,NR,9) .589
Stevenson (7,NR,NR,NR,NR)          .528
Trinity (NR,9,10,NR,NR)                  X
Hobart (NR,NR,NR,NR,10)              .593
Husson (NR,NR,NR,10,NR)              .647
Ithaca (NR,10,NR,NR,NR)               .649

Wesley's SOS will move way up since their schedule is back loaded.  Surprised that Albright is that high.  Brockport will drop a bit.  In the end I go with the eye test.  I have watched more games on the computer this year than I ever have.  Sucks not making games but the plus is seeing more teams.

Agreed, with the 10 team NJAC, it will go back up, especially considering Salisbury has not played either Frostburg or Wesley yet. Albright is high because they have played an undefeated Del Val that played you and they have played a 4-1 Salisbury team.

I think people are considering SOS in terms of these polls. Obviously it makes Framingham look like they shouldn't be ranked in the top half of the poll. Looking at Framingham's schedule and some of their opponents they are due for a large boost playing 5-1 Plymouth St Saturday, who looks like they will finish around 8-2 and playing West Conn late in the year which looks like they will be at worst 6-2, more likely 7-1, but the times those two teams meet. But obviously if Cortland beats Alfred this weekend, then that is major boost for them as well.

[Bombers798891]

The trouble with SOS is what it always is: How good are the teams that make up that SOS?

In terms of pure wins and losses Rochester (2-3) is "better" than St. John Fisher (0-5), but when you factor in that Rochester's wins are over Alfred State and Becker (0-10 combined), and the fact that Alfred beat Fisher 21-14 but topped Rochester 45-7, how many of us would consider Rochester the better team?

[AUPepBand]

The trouble with SOS is what it always is: How good are the teams that make up that SOS?

In terms of pure wins and losses Rochester (2-3) is "better" than St. John Fisher (0-5), but when you factor in that Rochester's wins are over Alfred State and Becker (0-10 combined), and the fact that Alfred beat Fisher 21-14 but topped Rochester 45-7, how many of us would consider Rochester the better team?

Well if UR would schedule St. John Fisher (drop W&J) again for a tenth game, we could have the answer to that question in a jiffy!

[fisheralum91]

Havent we had that match up before with results that led to UR ditching the courage bowl?

[dlippiel]

The trouble with SOS is what it always is: How good are the teams that make up that SOS?

In terms of pure wins and losses Rochester (2-3) is "better" than St. John Fisher (0-5), but when you factor in that Rochester's wins are over Alfred State and Becker (0-10 combined), and the fact that Alfred beat Fisher 21-14 but topped Rochester 45-7, how many of us would consider Rochester the better team?

Well if UR would schedule St. John Fisher (drop W&J) again for a tenth game, we could have the answer to that question in a jiffy!

Honestly to dlip this would almost be a waste of time for SJF. U of R just couldn't put a product on the field that really had a chance of beating the Cardinals and it certainly took away from any excitement the Courage Bowl was trying to generate from a football standpoint.

[Upstate]

The trouble with SOS is what it always is: How good are the teams that make up that SOS?

In terms of pure wins and losses Rochester (2-3) is "better" than St. John Fisher (0-5), but when you factor in that Rochester's wins are over Alfred State and Becker (0-10 combined), and the fact that Alfred beat Fisher 21-14 but topped Rochester 45-7, how many of us would consider Rochester the better team?

Well if UR would schedule St. John Fisher (drop W&J) again for a tenth game, we could have the answer to that question in a jiffy!

Honestly to dlip this would almost be a waste of time for SJF. U of R just couldn't put a product on the field that really had a chance of beating the Cardinals and it certainly took away from any excitement the Courage Bowl was trying to generate from a football standpoint.

The Courage Bowl got a whole lot more interesting since UR backed out that's for sure!

I'd gladly take them back on as a non conference warm up the first game of the year though

[D3viewer]

UR is getting a new coach. We'll see who it is and if their philosophy changes towards SJF or/maybe they will get better as well.

[Bartman]

U of R has been mentioned more in the last day on this thread than they have ever been.....is it possible the Yellow Jackets could replace The Steve this week in the poll with a win???