East Region Fan Poll

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D3MAFAN

I think that is more on the lines of, "what have done lately" and Union probably having the better win.

wesleydad

Quote from: d3fan142511 on October 24, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
Here comes New England Football!!! Union with a huge win and great turnaround for the program. Last 3 weeks of season should be fun in the East with alot of Big Games.

I know Husson Lost to WNE but i find it hard that some poll members have them below Union even with a H2H win.

If we go with the H2H then W. Conn should be ahead of Plymouth who should be ahead of Framingham.  W. Conn has a bad loss to Mass Dart I believe.  I had to put Husson in since I was putting Union in because of the H2H result.  Not sure if a bad loss to someone should over ride the H2H result since both teams have 1 loss.  That is why the poll is fun.

UfanBill

Quote from: d3fan142511 on October 24, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
Here comes New England Football!!! Union with a huge win and great turnaround for the program. Last 3 weeks of season should be fun in the East with alot of Big Games.

I know Husson Lost to WNE but i find it hard that some poll members have them below Union even with a H2H win.

As a Union fan and having watched their game with Husson, I have no real problem if Husson was ranked ahead of Union, they beat them. I can say that in that season opener in Maine, Union played even with Husson but made some mistakes...9 penalties, a missed FG and 3 turnovers, one of which was on the Husson goal line. If that game was played again (and it might be) I think Union would win. They learned a lot from that game and they've cleaned up those mistakes. That L may have been the BEST thing that happened to them.

I'm still having issues understanding pollster #3 who still votes for 2nd and 3rd place MAC and NJAC schools ahead of league leaders in other conferences.
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d3fan142511

I think the Union Husson Round 2 would be an amazing game! Have a friend who plays for Union so i am big time supporter for them.  Not sure you can use the Union has a better win then Husson since clearly Union is better then Hobart this year and Husson beat them. 

Would Union meet the miles restriction to play Husson? Wish there was not one. A Husson vs Brockport  and Union vs Springfield Match up Round 1 would be a fun one and 2 games i think the NE schools can win.

dlippiel

If dlip voted he would place Husson 1 spot ahead of Union because of the H2H result. Yes, the loss to WNE isn't a great one but dlip considers in this case, the H2H to take precedence. dlip usually goes with a H2H over one bad loss when ranking/comparing teams. However once there is more than one bad loss it becomes a wash. Either way dlip feels so happy to see his beloved Garnet back in the poll. Man it's been a long time.

dlippiel

Quote from: d3fan142511 on October 24, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
I think the Union Husson Round 2 would be an amazing game! Have a friend who plays for Union so i am big time supporter for them.  Not sure you can use the Union has a better win then Husson since clearly Union is better then Hobart this year and Husson beat them. 

Would Union meet the miles restriction to play Husson? Wish there was not one. A Husson vs Brockport and Union vs Springfield Match up Round 1 would be a fun one and 2 games i think the NE schools can win.

dlip thinks BP would beat Husson by at least 10 points. dlip really likes Husson, a lot, however, to dlip, that match up could get ugly.

wesleydad

Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: d3fan142511 on October 24, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
Here comes New England Football!!! Union with a huge win and great turnaround for the program. Last 3 weeks of season should be fun in the East with alot of Big Games.

I know Husson Lost to WNE but i find it hard that some poll members have them below Union even with a H2H win.

As a Union fan and having watched their game with Husson, I have no real problem if Husson was ranked ahead of Union, they beat them. I can say that in that season opener in Maine, Union played even with Husson but made some mistakes...9 penalties, a missed FG and 3 turnovers, one of which was on the Husson goal line. If that game was played again (and it might be) I think Union would win. They learned a lot from that game and they've cleaned up those mistakes. That L may have been the BEST thing that happened to them.

I'm still having issues understanding pollster #3 who still votes for 2nd and 3rd place MAC and NJAC schools ahead of league leaders in other conferences.

not sure which voter I am but I have no problem having Frostburg and Salisbury ahead of league leaders who also have 1 loss.  I had them ahead of them when all were undefeated so with all things being equal I will still have them ahead.  I tried to move the NJAC down, just could not find anyone with 1 loss to put ahead of them.  I only have Del Val in from the MAC, can't put Widener in with that 6-0 loss to Rowan who has turned out not very good.

wesleydad

Quote from: dlip on October 24, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: d3fan142511 on October 24, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
I think the Union Husson Round 2 would be an amazing game! Have a friend who plays for Union so i am big time supporter for them.  Not sure you can use the Union has a better win then Husson since clearly Union is better then Hobart this year and Husson beat them. 

Would Union meet the miles restriction to play Husson? Wish there was not one. A Husson vs Brockport and Union vs Springfield Match up Round 1 would be a fun one and 2 games i think the NE schools can win.

dlip thinks BP would beat Husson by at least 10 points. dlip really likes Husson, a lot, however, to dlip, that match up could get ugly.

agree with dlip here.  I think that matchup could get ugly.  Husson would need plenty to go their way to stay in the game with Brockport.  Also agree with an earlier mention that if Husson and Union played again that Union would likely win the game.

UfanBill

Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 11:58:46 AM




I'm still having issues understanding pollster #3 who still votes for 2nd and 3rd place MAC and NJAC schools ahead of league leaders in other conferences.

Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
not sure which voter I am but I have no problem having Frostburg and Salisbury ahead of league leaders who also have 1 loss.  I had them ahead of them when all were undefeated so with all things being equal I will still have them ahead.  I tried to move the NJAC down, just could not find anyone with 1 loss to put ahead of them.  I only have Del Val in from the MAC, can't put Widener in with that 6-0 loss to Rowan who has turned out not very good.

Wesleydad, you're one of only five pollsters for the ERFP. I'm identifying  who each of you might be by using the "Voting Distribution" part of the poll which I assume breaks down each of the five pollsters rankings. My, and others, issue all season is with Voter #3 (though he's not #3 each week, that varies). I have NO issue with his or anyone's rankings 1-6 but #3 has in order: #7 Widener(5-2, currently 2nd in the MAC) #8 CNU(5-2, 4th in the NJAC) #9 Framingham(6-1, tied 1st MASCAC with) #10 Plymouth St. (7-1). Curious why he puts Plymouth ahead of W. Conn(also 7-1, tied 1st MASCAC) since W. Conn beat Plymouth.  He clearly thinks 5-2 teams from his favored conferences, MAC & NJAC are better than Liberty League leading Union, not to mention Husson and Trinity. This is the same guy who voted repeatedly for Stevenson which defied logic. Now he can vote for whomever he chooses but I'd like to see him step forward and give us a clue about his arguments. Fortunately the other 4 pollsters, including you and Bartman, are more impartial. Thanks to all pollsters who included Union in the ERFP this week. You placed the Dutchmen even higher than I had hoped.
"You don't stop playing because you got old, you got old because you stopped playing" 🏈🏀⚾🎿⛳

bman

Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: d3fan142511 on October 24, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
Here comes New England Football!!! Union with a huge win and great turnaround for the program. Last 3 weeks of season should be fun in the East with alot of Big Games.

I know Husson Lost to WNE but i find it hard that some poll members have them below Union even with a H2H win.

As a Union fan and having watched their game with Husson, I have no real problem if Husson was ranked ahead of Union, they beat them. I can say that in that season opener in Maine, Union played even with Husson but made some mistakes...9 penalties, a missed FG and 3 turnovers, one of which was on the Husson goal line. If that game was played again (and it might be) I think Union would win. They learned a lot from that game and they've cleaned up those mistakes. That L may have been the BEST thing that happened to them.

I'm still having issues understanding pollster #3 who still votes for 2nd and 3rd place MAC and NJAC schools ahead of league leaders in other conferences.

not sure which voter I am but I have no problem having Frostburg and Salisbury ahead of league leaders who also have 1 loss.  I had them ahead of them when all were undefeated so with all things being equal I will still have them ahead.  I tried to move the NJAC down, just could not find anyone with 1 loss to put ahead of them.  I only have Del Val in from the MAC, can't put Widener in with that 6-0 loss to Rowan who has turned out not very good.
And Widener has yet to play Del Val and Stevenson.  They could be a 3 loss team at the end...

wesleydad

Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 11:58:46 AM




I'm still having issues understanding pollster #3 who still votes for 2nd and 3rd place MAC and NJAC schools ahead of league leaders in other conferences.

Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
not sure which voter I am but I have no problem having Frostburg and Salisbury ahead of league leaders who also have 1 loss.  I had them ahead of them when all were undefeated so with all things being equal I will still have them ahead.  I tried to move the NJAC down, just could not find anyone with 1 loss to put ahead of them.  I only have Del Val in from the MAC, can't put Widener in with that 6-0 loss to Rowan who has turned out not very good.

Wesleydad, you're one of only five pollsters for the ERFP. I'm identifying  who each of you might be by using the "Voting Distribution" part of the poll which I assume breaks down each of the five pollsters rankings. My, and others, issue all season is with Voter #3 (though he's not #3 each week, that varies). I have NO issue with his or anyone's rankings 1-6 but #3 has in order: #7 Widener(5-2, currently 2nd in the MAC) #8 CNU(5-2, 4th in the NJAC) #9 Framingham(6-1, tied 1st MASCAC with) #10 Plymouth St. (7-1). Curious why he puts Plymouth ahead of W. Conn(also 7-1, tied 1st MASCAC) since W. Conn beat Plymouth.  He clearly thinks 5-2 teams from his favored conferences, MAC & NJAC are better than Liberty League leading Union, not to mention Husson and Trinity. This is the same guy who voted repeatedly for Stevenson which defied logic. Now he can vote for whomever he chooses but I'd like to see him step forward and give us a clue about his arguments. Fortunately the other 4 pollsters, including you and Bartman, are more impartial. Thanks to all pollsters who included Union in the ERFP this week. You placed the Dutchmen even higher than I had hoped.

Agree, which is why I have Trinity, Husson, Union, and W. Conn in my poll.  Battled with the order of the last 3 and went with it because Husson beat Union.  W. Conn has the bad loss so I put them at 10.

Bartman

The science of the bottom 5 of top 10 rankings in the ERFP this year is difficult .... I may be looking at which uniforms or mascot I like the best ;D
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rams1102

Quote from: wesleydad on October 25, 2017, 11:38:36 AM
Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: UfanBill on October 24, 2017, 11:58:46 AM




I'm still having issues understanding pollster #3 who still votes for 2nd and 3rd place MAC and NJAC schools ahead of league leaders in other conferences.

Quote from: wesleydad on October 24, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
not sure which voter I am but I have no problem having Frostburg and Salisbury ahead of league leaders who also have 1 loss.  I had them ahead of them when all were undefeated so with all things being equal I will still have them ahead.  I tried to move the NJAC down, just could not find anyone with 1 loss to put ahead of them.  I only have Del Val in from the MAC, can't put Widener in with that 6-0 loss to Rowan who has turned out not very good.

Wesleydad, you're one of only five pollsters for the ERFP. I'm identifying  who each of you might be by using the "Voting Distribution" part of the poll which I assume breaks down each of the five pollsters rankings. My, and others, issue all season is with Voter #3 (though he's not #3 each week, that varies). I have NO issue with his or anyone's rankings 1-6 but #3 has in order: #7 Widener(5-2, currently 2nd in the MAC) #8 CNU(5-2, 4th in the NJAC) #9 Framingham(6-1, tied 1st MASCAC with) #10 Plymouth St. (7-1). Curious why he puts Plymouth ahead of W. Conn(also 7-1, tied 1st MASCAC) since W. Conn beat Plymouth.  He clearly thinks 5-2 teams from his favored conferences, MAC & NJAC are better than Liberty League leading Union, not to mention Husson and Trinity. This is the same guy who voted repeatedly for Stevenson which defied logic. Now he can vote for whomever he chooses but I'd like to see him step forward and give us a clue about his arguments. Fortunately the other 4 pollsters, including you and Bartman, are more impartial. Thanks to all pollsters who included Union in the ERFP this week. You placed the Dutchmen even higher than I had hoped.

Agree, which is why I have Trinity, Husson, Union, and W. Conn in my poll.  Battled with the order of the last 3 and went with it because Husson beat Union.  W. Conn has the bad loss so I put them at 10.

I'm voter #2. My 1-6 was pretty simple. Had Husson #7 because of the H2H w/Union and the same with Plymouth #9 because of the H2H w/Framingham. If they played today I would take Union over Husson and not sure about the other match-up.
It ain't over till it's over, and when you get to the fork in the road, take it.

dlippiel

Quote from: Bartman on October 25, 2017, 12:12:53 PM
The science of the bottom 5 of top 10 rankings in the ERFP this year is difficult .... I may be looking at which uniforms or mascot I like the best ;D

dlip thinks he used to do this Bartman...maybe that's why he stopped doing to poll... ;) Hope you're having a good week pal.

bman

I am not a voter in the poll this year...and I certainly would not have Widener in the top ten right now.  If they beat Stevenson and Del Val, I may request they be moved up a bit...:)