East Region Fan Poll

[rams1102]

I have been a reluctant to put Del Val in the Top 10. Their wins are so so. I have been going with Cortland and was the only one going with them in the current poll. They both have pretty good games this week and we will see. Also 3 buys this week, RPI, Ithaca and Union. Not really convinced with W.Conn. Let's see how they do with UMass Dart this week. The bantering will start in a week or so.

[south hill observer]

1. Wesley
2. Brockport
3. Frostburg
4. Union
5. RPI
6. Ithaca
7. Salisbury
8. Delval
9. Alfred
10. Westconn

I can't put Brockport over Wesley based on their performance vs Ithaca.

[wesleydad]

   Little to no disagreement on placings in the Fan Poll this week apparently means no banter. With league play getting into full swing in the next couple weeks I'd expect that to change.
    Four conferences, the NJAC, MAC, LL and the E8, dominate the poll but there are four other conferences to keep an eye on. As a voter in this poll I have to consider trying to determine the best team in New England. For now I have given that position and a #10 vote to Western Connecticut of the MASCAC. They're 3-0 with wins over two of the stronger teams in New England,,,Plymouth State and Salve Regina. Other teams on my radar are Framingham and Mass- Dartmouth of the MASCAC and MIT, USMMA and Springfield of the NEWMAC, which has no automatic tourney bid again this year thus relegating them to Pool B. Husson the ECFC favorite, with 2 losses already, will still probably emerge with that conferences pool A bid.  Then there's Western New England, the defending champ and favorite in the CCC. The fourth New England league and the strongest the NESCAC, has the only New England team currently receiving votes in the D3football top 25. That team is Trinity(Ct). To those who might not know the NESCAC plays a closed schedule and does not participate in the NCAA tourney.

Ufan, I always throw a bone to one of those conferences once play starts.  I have MIT at ten this week.  They have a good game this week and if they lose I may just flip UMMA? in since they will be undefeated and beaten MIT.  I dont think any of them are actually top 10, I just have a hard time putting 4 teams in from any 1 conference.  I try to limit it to 2 but it is tough when teams keep losing.

[wesleydad]

   Total
1   50   Brockport
2   43   Wesley
3   42   Frostburg
4   34   RPI
T5   25   Salisbury
T5   25   Union
7   22   Ithaca
8   16   Del Val
9   13   Alfred
T 10   2   Montclair St
T 10   2   W Conn
      
orv   1   MIT

Vote Breakdown               
Brock   1   1   1   1   1
Wesley   2   2   3   2   3
Frostburg   3   3   2   3   2
RPI           4   5   4   4   4
Salis           5   6   6   5   8
Union   6   4   7   6   7
Ithaca   7   9   5   7   5
Del Val   8   8   9   8   6
Alfred   9   7   8   9   9
Montclair   x   10   10   x   x
W Conn   x   x   x   10   10
               
MIT          10   x   x   x   x

Key East Region Games this week

3 Frostburg v 2 Wesley
4 RPI v7 Ithaca
Coast Guard v Springfield
T5 Union v Hobart
T5 Salisbury v CNU

Voters
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU

[wesleydad]

There will be some clarity this week.  Some real nice games in the East and the Nation.

I know they don't do region brackets anymore and that some teams would be bumped for conference champs, but the top 8 on this list would make for a real nice bracket.

[wesleydad]

   Total   
1   50   Brockport
2   45   Frostburg
3   38   Wesley
4   36   RPI
5   29   Salisbury
6   24   Del Val
7   20   Alfred
8   11   Ithaca
9   10   Montclair
T10   5   MIT
T10   5   W Conn
      
orv   4   Union

Vote Breakdown               

Brockport   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2
Wesley   3   3   3   5   3
RPI       4   4   4   3   4
Salisbury   5   5   5   4   7
Del Val   6   7   7   6   5
Alfred   7   6   6   7   9
Ithaca   x   x   8   9   6
Montclair   9   8   9   x   8
MIT      8   10   x   x   10
W Conn   10   9   x   10   x
               
Union   x   x   10   8   x

Key East Region Games this week      
      
9 Montclair St v 5 Salisbury      
1 Brockport v 7 Alfred      
Lyco v 6 Del Val      
8 Ithaca v orv Union      
Merchant Marine v Springfield

Voters         
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU               

[Machiavelli]

   Total   
1   50   Brockport
2   45   Frostburg
3   38   Wesley
4   36   RPI
5   29   Salisbury
6   24   Del Val
7   20   Alfred
8   11   Ithaca
9   10   Montclair
T10   5   MIT
T10   5   W Conn
      
orv   4   Union

Vote Breakdown               

Brockport   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2
Wesley   3   3   3   5   3
RPI       4   4   4   3   4
Salisbury   5   5   5   4   7
Del Val   6   7   7   6   5
Alfred   7   6   6   7   9
Ithaca   x   x   8   9   6
Montclair   9   8   9   x   8
MIT      8   10   x   x   10
W Conn   10   9   x   10   x
               
Union   x   x   10   8   x

Key East Region Games this week      
      
9 Montclair St v 5 Salisbury      
1 Brockport v 7 Alfred      
Lyco v 6 Del Val      
8 Ithaca v orv Union      
Merchant Marine v Springfield

Voters         
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU

Seriously, as much as I sh!t on them, how in the world is MIT and WConn in front of Union here? I know people will play the 'but they beat Endicott and Endicott beat Hobart and they beat Union' chain of events but really? Have we learned nothing in all these years? These New England Teams stink!  I wish they didn't. I'm a New England guy and I want them to be better. But they stink. If Union or Ithaca or whoever gets another loss in a less than stellar fashion, maybe, but at this point, MIT and WConn shouldn't be here. Yes, it's pulling at strings at the 10 spot, but everyone knows it's true that a .500 team in the LL or E8 goes undefeated in these other leagues and whoever is ranking them is doing it because they feel bad.

[Ice Bear]

   Total   
1   50   Brockport
2   45   Frostburg
3   38   Wesley
4   36   RPI
5   29   Salisbury
6   24   Del Val
7   20   Alfred
8   11   Ithaca
9   10   Montclair
T10   5   MIT
T10   5   W Conn
      
orv   4   Union

Vote Breakdown               

Brockport   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2
Wesley   3   3   3   5   3
RPI       4   4   4   3   4
Salisbury   5   5   5   4   7
Del Val   6   7   7   6   5
Alfred   7   6   6   7   9
Ithaca   x   x   8   9   6
Montclair   9   8   9   x   8
MIT      8   10   x   x   10
W Conn   10   9   x   10   x
               
Union   x   x   10   8   x

Key East Region Games this week      
      
9 Montclair St v 5 Salisbury      
1 Brockport v 7 Alfred      
Lyco v 6 Del Val      
8 Ithaca v orv Union      
Merchant Marine v Springfield

Voters         
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU

Seriously, as much as I sh!t on them, how in the world is MIT and WConn in front of Union here? I know people will play the 'but they beat Endicott and Endicott beat Hobart and they beat Union' chain of events but really? Have we learned nothing in all these years? These New England Teams stink!  I wish they didn't. I'm a New England guy and I want them to be better. But they stink. If Union or Ithaca or whoever gets another loss in a less than stellar fashion, maybe, but at this point, MIT and WConn shouldn't be here. Yes, it's pulling at strings at the 10 spot, but everyone knows it's true that a .500 team in the LL or E8 goes undefeated in these other leagues and whoever is ranking them is doing it because they feel bad.

That's some true **** right there.

[TheOsprey]

Honestly,  I'm in total agreement with your strength of conf. argument.   However,  these teams will wind up in the NCAA regional rankings if they continue to remain undefeated.

The NJAC will start to beat up each other and more spots will open up.  Union would need to win this week just to stay in the conversation.

This is what it is folks.

[Machiavelli]

Honestly,  I'm in total agreement with your strength of conf. argument.   However,  these teams will wind up in the NCAA regional rankings if they continue to remain undefeated.

The NJAC will start to beat up each other and more spots will open up.  Union would need to win this week just to stay in the conversation.

This is what it is folks.

The NCAA Regional Rankings doesn't actually rank teams by how good they are though. It's more playoff eligibility rankings. This poll has the ability to be much more objective. I don't think anyone who voted MIT or WConn over Union truly believes they are better. Kind of defeats the purpose eh?

[TheOsprey]

I hear ya. IMHO these other confs. would have two and three loss teams stronger than these undefeated squads.  It's just a snapshot this week.  Still alot of games to play.  And with a loss, I would not even consider them again in this process.   

[Ice Bear]

It happens to be Union we are talking about now but IDBHO another couple of teams from the E8, LL, MAC, and NJAC could/should be in the poll.

This ****ing topic comes up all the time. The regional rankings simply don't reflect the "best" teams in the region...at least not in the East with the NE contingent. Also IDBHO the ERFP is starting to follow that pattern where "...we just throw a bone to one or two from NE," while we know damn well from years of experience that very rarely if ever do they belong. Yes they are undefeated and yes there is usually one or two that can step up annually, but that is ****ing it. This year it doesn't look like there is really even one. Dlip isn't biting on West Conn or MIT.

Dutch Boy will go as far to say he'd be willing to bet if Hobart (who is not the Hobart we have been used to even with the win over Union) and Endicott played 10 games this season the Pumpkinheads would win 7/8 of them...as long as they played before Halloween. It's time to stop the charade. ****, Dutch would love to see NE get better across the board...they still are just not there...yet...or maybe ever, who the **** knows???

[MRMIKESMITH]

It happens to be Union we are talking about now but IDBHO another couple of teams from the E8, LL, MAC, and NJAC could/should be in the poll.

This ****ing topic comes up all the time. The regional rankings simply don't reflect the "best" teams in the region...at least not in the East with the NE contingent. Also IDBHO the ERFP is starting to follow that pattern where "...we just throw a bone to one or two from NE," while we know damn well from years of experience that very rarely if ever do they belong. Yes they are undefeated and yes there is usually one or two that can step up annually, but that is ****ing it. This year it doesn't look like there is really even one. Dlip isn't biting on West Conn or MIT.

Dutch Boy will go as far to say he'd be willing to bet if Hobart (who is not the Hobart we have been used to even with the win over Union) and Endicott played 10 games this season the Pumpkinheads would win 7/8 of them...as long as they played before Halloween. It's time to stop the charade. ****, Dutch would love to see NE get better across the board...they still are just not there...yet...or maybe ever, who the **** knows???

It's funny that this conversation does come up every year. It is not just about the transverse properties, its about wins and losses and how you perform on the field. Where was this argument last week for Cortland per se, I think Cortland had more of an argument than Union last week than Union this week. Union best win is against a NE team and their lone loss is against a Hobart team that loss to some random NE team, maybe someone should have played Frostburg on the 29th. Union was #7 last week and loss this week. I feel as though the argument should be, does losing to a 3-2 Hobart in a rivalry game account for dropping out of Top 10. The argument as its always been, is as long as we are in front of all the NE schools, I'm cool.

[Ice Bear]

Yes U should be out of the top ten, don't think they've still done anything to show they belong and agree that there are more deserving teams that could fill the ten spot. Yes, your last sentence is right ****ing on.

[UfanBill]

Mach, I agree with you, but respectfully not you, DutchBoy. Union lost a hard fought, one point game to Hobart thus moving them down the poll. Not out IMO.  The Dutchmen have already beaten handily the two best teams from New England last season, Husson and Springfield.  They also beat W. Conn. convincingly in 2016. In my mind they are superior. I have been searching for "the best team' in New England for weeks and have been giving my #10 vote to W. Conn. MIT is my next in waiting. In this week's poll I actually wanted to vote for a three way tie at #7, Union, Ithaca & Alfred but was overruled by the poll compiler, Wesleydad. As for regional rankings keep in mind that three New England teams will get Pool A's and be regionally ranked. MIT/Springfield of the NEWMAC will have to hope for a Pool B. Right now the ERFP has 4 teams from the NJAC getting votes. Do you really think Montclair is better than Hobart, Cortland or Union? The poll is skewed because three pollsters are NJAC/MAC guys (who don't see NY and NE teams) with no one representing the E8 or most of NE.