East Region Fan Poll

[Oline89]

I can't top Utah's perfection when it comes to the ERFP, but here's my, more serious, take for the current landscape, even throwing in some extras:

1. Brocky
2. Frosty
3. Wesley
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Salisbury
7. Ithaca
8. Alfred
9. Cortland
10. Montclair
11. Hobart
12. Union
13. Christopher Newport
14. Framingham St.
15. MIT

I think this is the best ranking list I have seen to date.  Assuming the point of this poll is to rank the best teams in the East, not the teams most likely to be selected by the NCAA to play post season

[d3fan142511]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

Hell, here is my top 10 in the full spirit of the fan poll page.

0. Williams
1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. Wesley
4. Salisbury
5. Mt. Ida
6. RPI
7. Del Val
8. Cortland
9. Jersey City State
10. Montclair
11. Union
12. Ithaca


In all seriousness, maybe it should be a rule that the top NE team has to be ranked #0 until week 7.  Then you are allowed to put them in the top 10.

RIP Mount IDA!!! Bring Back Mustang City!!

[TheOsprey]

Some more to chew on.  Looking at another division in the same organization.   Does UCF deserve to be "ranked" higher than OK, MI, LSU, Miami, FL, etc....   

[Bombers798891]

Some more to chew on.  Looking at another division in the same organization.   Does UCF deserve to be "ranked" higher than OK, MI, LSU, Miami, FL, etc....

Here's what I will say about UCF. If they go 13-0, and then 12-0, and can't make a four-team playoff, we'd all be better off ending the charade and just making the Power 5 teams the only ones eligible. If the only way for them to make the playoff is to reel off three undefeated seasons in a row, that's just stupid.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Some more to chew on.  Looking at another division in the same organization.   Does UCF deserve to be "ranked" higher than OK, MI, LSU, Miami, FL, etc....

Here's what I will say about UCF. If they go 13-0, and then 12-0, and can't make a four-team playoff, we'd all be better off ending the charade and just making the Power 5 teams the only ones eligible. If the only way for them to make the playoff is to reel off three undefeated seasons in a row, that's just stupid.

I agree, there will never be a case, unless by some chance UCF plays an LSU and Texas, and mid-tier Power 5 in same season and go undefeated, while those same teams remain in the Top 25.

[Ice Bear]

I can't top Utah's perfection when it comes to the ERFP, but here's my, more serious, take for the current landscape, even throwing in some extras:

1. Brocky
2. Frosty
3. Wesley
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Salisbury
7. Ithaca
8. Alfred
9. Cortland
10. Montclair
11. Hobart
12. Union
13. Christopher Newport
14. Framingham St.
15. MIT

I think this is the best ranking list I have seen to date.  Assuming the point of this poll is to rank the best teams in the East, not the teams most likely to be selected by the NCAA to play post season

Dutch Boy believes Del Val is quite overrated this season. Losing what they did and considering their listless schedule this far, he believes they should be at 8,9, or 10. He really believes that Salisbury, IC, Alfred, Cartland, and even Montclair would beat them right now. Granted they have an excellent reputation but they are almost literally half the team they were last season.

[thewaterboy]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

Bumping this because I agree. I think joining a conference is hurting Wesley when it comes to on field competition. I think the roster limits and lack of travel as an incentive has hurt the pool of players Wesley brings in. Wesley sells itself on two things: its track record and the coaching staff. They don't have good facilities compared to other Division III schools and the school itself isn't exactly prestigious.

Being independent was hard on Wesley financially, but I think they benefited because the coaching staff could sell a usually interesting and very tough schedule and bring in a larger group of kids. It wasn't uncommon to have a recruit's friend come along and become an unexpected contributor to the team. Now, you don't really have that.

[Jonny Utah]

if we're not going to include the NESCAC (and we might as well keep on not), then there aren't ten good teams in the East to rank.

Hell, there might not even be five.

I know this was likely, at least partially, tongue in cheek. We all know the East hasn't had a 'top tier' consistent team since the 90's Rowan teams. I think Wesley has taken a step back(a small step) since joining the NJAC. Brockport MIGHT be close now(but for how long?)  But realistically, we just haven't had one in forever.

However, I'm a firm believer that the East is MUCH more competitive and deep as a whole than every other region. Our mid-tier teams(your 6-12 or whatever) would do just fine in most other conferences across the country. Probably finish in the top 3rd of them. Everyone thinks the OAC is so great because of Mt Union, but most non-Mount teams would be mediocre at best in the LL, E8, NJAC and MAC. ‪

In summary, don't smoke crack.

Bumping this because I agree. I think joining a conference is hurting Wesley when it comes to on field competition. I think the roster limits and lack of travel as an incentive has hurt the pool of players Wesley brings in. Wesley sells itself on two things: its track record and the coaching staff. They don't have good facilities compared to other Division III schools and the school itself isn't exactly prestigious.

Being independent was hard on Wesley financially, but I think they benefited because the coaching staff could sell a usually interesting and very tough schedule and bring in a larger group of kids. It wasn't uncommon to have a recruit's friend come along and become an unexpected contributor to the team. Now, you don't really have that.

You know I always wondered if this hurt Ithaca as well.  Independents can schedule d2 teams (or even d1 teams) and that can be a good sell for players looking to show off their stuff against d1 talent in terms of recruiting.  With Marpet and Garcon and others, players might be able to look at a d3 independent who plays top schedules as a good option.  On the other hand you need to work hard to fill out those schedules and it also is going to cost you.  And in Ithaca's case, the d2 teams they used to play (AIC, Mercyhurst, CW Post) have bigger conferences with less room for non league schedules. 

[wesleydad]

I can't top Utah's perfection when it comes to the ERFP, but here's my, more serious, take for the current landscape, even throwing in some extras:

1. Brocky
2. Frosty
3. Wesley
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Salisbury
7. Ithaca
8. Alfred
9. Cortland
10. Montclair
11. Hobart
12. Union
13. Christopher Newport
14. Framingham St.
15. MIT

I think this is the best ranking list I have seen to date.  Assuming the point of this poll is to rank the best teams in the East, not the teams most likely to be selected by the NCAA to play post season

Dutch Boy believes Del Val is quite overrated this season. Losing what they did and considering their listless schedule this far, he believes they should be at 8,9, or 10. He really believes that Salisbury, IC, Alfred, Cartland, and even Montclair would beat them right now. Granted they have an excellent reputation but they are almost literally half the team they were last season.

At this point in the season, 5 or 6 games, I can not put any 2 loss team on my ballot which is based on performance to this point.  Ithaca is likely going to end up top 10 at the end of the season, well unless they lose another game and maybe Hobart will too, but right now they are not based on actual results, not what I think they will do.  I think Wesley is better than Frostburg based on what I saw at the game, but the result was a Frostburg win.  Alfred is the tough one since they lost to Ithaca, which is their only loss so far.  If they lose to Brockport this week they will drop behind Ithaca on my ballot.  Hobart has a lot of work to do with the loss to Endicott.  Is RPI the 4th best team in the East, probably not, but based on where they started the season and the fact that teams ranked ahead of them lost they move up to 4.  The group of undefeated teams that just started to make the poll came from well off of it.  Some of the 1 loss teams were on it to start and are just coming back on.  I don't use past years performances for this years poll.  I started with the D3 rankings and then tweeked it a bit, has Wesley ahead of Frostburg until this week, as an example, and then went from there.  That is how I go about it, obviously others look at it differently.  That is why the more voters the more accurate the poll would be.

[Ice Bear]

I can't top Utah's perfection when it comes to the ERFP, but here's my, more serious, take for the current landscape, even throwing in some extras:

1. Brocky
2. Frosty
3. Wesley
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Salisbury
7. Ithaca
8. Alfred
9. Cortland
10. Montclair
11. Hobart
12. Union
13. Christopher Newport
14. Framingham St.
15. MIT

I think this is the best ranking list I have seen to date.  Assuming the point of this poll is to rank the best teams in the East, not the teams most likely to be selected by the NCAA to play post season

Dutch Boy believes Del Val is quite overrated this season. Losing what they did and considering their listless schedule this far, he believes they should be at 8,9, or 10. He really believes that Salisbury, IC, Alfred, Cartland, and even Montclair would beat them right now. Granted they have an excellent reputation but they are almost literally half the team they were last season.

At this point in the season, 5 or 6 games, I can not put any 2 loss team on my ballot which is based on performance to this point.  Ithaca is likely going to end up top 10 at the end of the season, well unless they lose another game and maybe Hobart will too, but right now they are not based on actual results, not what I think they will do.  I think Wesley is better than Frostburg based on what I saw at the game, but the result was a Frostburg win.  Alfred is the tough one since they lost to Ithaca, which is their only loss so far.  If they lose to Brockport this week they will drop behind Ithaca on my ballot.  Hobart has a lot of work to do with the loss to Endicott.  Is RPI the 4th best team in the East, probably not, but based on where they started the season and the fact that teams ranked ahead of them lost they move up to 4.  The group of undefeated teams that just started to make the poll came from well off of it.  Some of the 1 loss teams were on it to start and are just coming back on.  I don't use past years performances for this years poll.  I started with the D3 rankings and then tweeked it a bit, has Wesley ahead of Frostburg until this week, as an example, and then went from there.  That is how I go about it, obviously others look at it differently.  That is why the more voters the more accurate the poll would be.

Great post +k

[wesleydad]

I did a start over this week, looking at all the undefeated, 1 loss, and 2 loss teams.  The top didnt change much, but i moved things around the bottom 5.  Will be interesting to see all the ballots.

[MRMIKESMITH]

I did a start over this week, looking at all the undefeated, 1 loss, and 2 loss teams.  The top didnt change much, but i moved things around the bottom 5.  Will be interesting to see all the ballots.

I actually moved some teams with multiple losses above some teams with 1 or 0 losses. Will be interesting to see.

[wesleydad]

   Total   
1   60   Brockport
2   54   Frostburg
3   46   Wesley
4   43   RPI
5   32   Salisbury
6   28   Ithaca
7   26   Del Val
T8   11   Cortland
T8   11   Alfred
10   8   MIT

orv   6   Montclair      
orv   5   W Conn

Vote Breakdown                  
Brockport   1   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2   2
Wesley   3   3   3   5   3   3
RPI           4   4   4   3   4   4
Salisbury   5   5   5   4   9   6
Ithaca   8   6   6   7   6   5
Del Val   6   7   7   6   5   9
Cortland   7   x   x   10   8   8
Alfred   x   x   8   x   7   7
MIT           9   9   x   8   10   x

Montclair   x   8   9   x   x   10                  
W Conn   10   10   10   9   x   x

Key East Region Games this week

Frostburg v Montclair
Wesley v Rowan
Hobart v RPI

Voters            
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU, Dutch Boy            

[Bartman]

Wesleydad...correction , this week is Hobart v. RPI

[wesleydad]

Wesleydad...correction , this week is Hobart v. RPI

Thanks Bartman, correction made.