East Region Fan Poll

[rams1102]

As far as 1 thru 7 total agreement. My 8,9,10 were Alfred, Montclair & W. Conn. I did think about Cortland. I also wanted to see my Red Hawks in the Top 10 before we squared off against Frostburg. You never know and that's why we play the game. Salisbury was a game we could have won but say La Vi. Too many penalities and 4 picks usually equals a loss. Let's see if we can upset a Division 2 Team this Saturday. 2 loss teams will not dance unless they win their Conference.

[MRMIKESMITH]

I actually have Salisbury at 9, The way the offense is playing and no special teams help this year.  I don't think they can hang with teams like Brockport, Frostburg, Wesley, RPI, Ithaca, Delaware Valley. You have to be able score somewhere and currently without any special team help, the Defense is at the mercy of an offense that can't run the ball when that's all they do. They will have to show me some offensive fire power over the next few games for me to move them anywhere near the top 5.

FYI, if they can win every game by 3, all is well in the world. 

[Upstate]

What? Fisher didn't get any votes?

This poll is so unrealistic!

But seriously can't disagree with much on here, I really think Frostburg is a sleeper to win a bracket this year!

I'd love to see Port and them in different brackets to see What happens.

[Bobcats47]

What? Fisher didn't get any votes?

This poll is so unrealistic!

But seriously can't disagree with much on here, I really think Frostburg is a sleeper to win a bracket this year!

I'd love to see Port and them in different brackets to see What happens.

we gotta avenge a loss by brockport from the last year we were in the E8

[Bombers798891]

You know I always wondered if this hurt Ithaca as well.  Independents can schedule d2 teams (or even d1 teams) and that can be a good sell for players looking to show off their stuff against d1 talent in terms of recruiting.  With Marpet and Garcon and others, players might be able to look at a d3 independent who plays top schedules as a good option.  On the other hand you need to work hard to fill out those schedules and it also is going to cost you.  And in Ithaca's case, the d2 teams they used to play (AIC, Mercyhurst, CW Post) have bigger conferences with less room for non league schedules. 

I mean, part of it is simply that IC was scheduling those teams when they had fewer options in upstate NY. Look at IC's 2015 schedule:

Fisher was a club team, Hartwick didn't have football, Utica didn't have football. Morrisville was a JUCO. Union and IC didn't get along. Hobart and IC got into a thing involving football and lacrosse (I forget who fired first) and didn't play.

You also got rewarded for playing and beating those teams.

[Machiavelli]

As far as 1 thru 7 total agreement. My 8,9,10 were Alfred, Montclair & W. Conn. I did think about Cortland. I also wanted to see my Red Hawks in the Top 10 before we squared off against Frostburg. You never know and that's why we play the game. Salisbury was a game we could have won but say La Vi. Too many penalities and 4 picks usually equals a loss. Let's see if we can upset a Division 2 Team this Saturday. 2 loss teams will not dance unless they win their Conference.

You DO realize, regardless of records, that Cortland would beat W. Conn by like 40 right? W. Conn is 6-0 barely beating a bunch of absolutely abysmal teams.

[MRMIKESMITH]

As far as 1 thru 7 total agreement. My 8,9,10 were Alfred, Montclair & W. Conn. I did think about Cortland. I also wanted to see my Red Hawks in the Top 10 before we squared off against Frostburg. You never know and that's why we play the game. Salisbury was a game we could have won but say La Vi. Too many penalities and 4 picks usually equals a loss. Let's see if we can upset a Division 2 Team this Saturday. 2 loss teams will not dance unless they win their Conference.

You DO realize, regardless of records, that Cortland would beat W. Conn by like 40 right? W. Conn is 6-0 barely beating a bunch of absolutely abysmal teams.

Here we go (Mario - Mario Kart Voice).

[Machiavelli]

As far as 1 thru 7 total agreement. My 8,9,10 were Alfred, Montclair & W. Conn. I did think about Cortland. I also wanted to see my Red Hawks in the Top 10 before we squared off against Frostburg. You never know and that's why we play the game. Salisbury was a game we could have won but say La Vi. Too many penalities and 4 picks usually equals a loss. Let's see if we can upset a Division 2 Team this Saturday. 2 loss teams will not dance unless they win their Conference.

You DO realize, regardless of records, that Cortland would beat W. Conn by like 40 right? W. Conn is 6-0 barely beating a bunch of absolutely abysmal teams.

Here we go (Mario - Mario Kart Voice).

Again, if you told me MIT, i'd be fine with it(for now), but not W. Conn. They are probably as good as like St. Lawrence realistically. I'm not being douchie here. I just don't know how anyone can look at that fine work of art which is the W. Conn schedule and think, hmmmm, yeah i'd put them over Cortland. It's absolutely bananas.

[Bartman]

For the ERFP consideration, SOS stats for this week:

                                SOS(thru 10/13)
1   60   Brockport          .579
2   54   Frostburg          .537
3   46   Wesley              .472
4   43   RPI                   .583
5   32   Salisbury           .419
6   28   Ithaca               .644
7   26   Del Val              .582
T8   11   Cortland          .497
T8   11   Alfred              .554
10   8   MIT                   .446

orv   6   Montclair           .492     
orv   5   W Conn            .476
No votes, 2 loss teams:
          Hobart                .617
          Union                 .617
          Endicott              .592

The SOS will be an important factor for NCAA Regionals and should be considered by the ERFP voters . I'm thinking Salisbury may be over-ranked

[UfanBill]

As far as 1 thru 7 total agreement. My 8,9,10 were Alfred, Montclair & W. Conn. I did think about Cortland. I also wanted to see my Red Hawks in the Top 10 before we squared off against Frostburg. You never know and that's why we play the game. Salisbury was a game we could have won but say La Vi. Too many penalities and 4 picks usually equals a loss. Let's see if we can upset a Division 2 Team this Saturday. 2 loss teams will not dance unless they win their conference.

You DO realize, regardless of records, that Cortland would beat W. Conn by like 40 right? W. Conn is 6-0 barely beating a bunch of absolutely abysmal teams.

Look, you're probably right but consider this...last season Cortland and W. Conn. had a common opponent, Framingham. W. Conn. lost to Framingham by 4, 39-35.   Cortland lost by 15, 29-14.  Just sayin'.

[UfanBill]

You know I always wondered if this hurt Ithaca as well.  Independents can schedule d2 teams (or even d1 teams) and that can be a good sell for players looking to show off their stuff against d1 talent in terms of recruiting.  With Marpet and Garcon and others, players might be able to look at a d3 independent who plays top schedules as a good option.  On the other hand you need to work hard to fill out those schedules and it also is going to cost you.  And in Ithaca's case, the d2 teams they used to play (AIC, Mercyhurst, CW Post) have bigger conferences with less room for non league schedules. 

I mean, part of it is simply that IC was scheduling those teams when they had fewer options in upstate NY. Look at IC's 2015 schedule:

Fisher was a club team, Hartwick didn't have football, Utica didn't have football. Morrisville was a JUCO. Union and IC didn't get along. Hobart and IC got into a thing involving football and lacrosse (I forget who fired first) and didn't play.

You also got rewarded for playing and beating those teams.

I'm not sure this is a valid argument. Teams can come a long way in a short time. Mary Harden-Baylor didn't start football until 1998.

[Machiavelli]

As far as 1 thru 7 total agreement. My 8,9,10 were Alfred, Montclair & W. Conn. I did think about Cortland. I also wanted to see my Red Hawks in the Top 10 before we squared off against Frostburg. You never know and that's why we play the game. Salisbury was a game we could have won but say La Vi. Too many penalities and 4 picks usually equals a loss. Let's see if we can upset a Division 2 Team this Saturday. 2 loss teams will not dance unless they win their conference.

You DO realize, regardless of records, that Cortland would beat W. Conn by like 40 right? W. Conn is 6-0 barely beating a bunch of absolutely abysmal teams.

Look, you're probably right but consider this...last season Cortland and W. Conn. had a common opponent, Framingham. W. Conn. lost to Framingham by 4, 39-35.   Cortland lost by 15, 29-14.  Just sayin'.

W. Conn just beat Mass Maritime, a team who has 1 win against 0-6 Maine Maritime and a 16 point loss to 1-5 Fitchburg, by 10(granted there was a garbage time touchdown). They beat a 2-5 perennial powerhouse, Dean Cain(who's wins were against defending co-national champs Becker and Alfred St) by 11 measly points after taking an impressive 7-6 lead into the half.

If you want to do the 'to the 3rd and 4th power' common opponent comparison(because it's fun) using St Lawrence and W. Conn, here goes:

W. Conn beats Mass Maritime by 10.
Mass Maritime lost to Fitchburg by 16.

St. Lawrence beat Norwich by 33. 
Norwich beat Castleton by 40.
Castleton beat Fitchburg by 21.

This logic tells me W. Conn would(will) lose to Fitchburg by 6 and St. Lawrence would beat Fitchburg by 94. Meaning St. Lawrence beats W. Conn by 100. Ball don't lie.

[Machiavelli]

And FYI, I know you can do what I did above at enough levels to spin just about anything in your favor. It's like always bringing it Back to Bacon. But I challenge anyone to find a 100 point(on the dot) Delta with any team getting votes in the ERFP poll vs any team in the universe not getting votes. You can't.

[UfanBill]

And FYI, I know you can do what I did above at enough levels to spin just about anything in your favor. It's like always bringing it Back to Bacon. But I challenge anyone to find a 100 point(on the dot) Delta with any team getting votes in the ERFP poll vs any team in the universe not getting votes. You can't.

Mach, chill... I said "you're probably right" about Cortland beating W. Conn. by 40. My point is don't completely discount their abilities. W.Conn. was a former NJAC member(2004-12) so the culture includes playing "up". They have a good shot at being in this year's tourney and besides, they have a really cool winged roof stadium. 

[Machiavelli]

And FYI, I know you can do what I did above at enough levels to spin just about anything in your favor. It's like always bringing it Back to Bacon. But I challenge anyone to find a 100 point(on the dot) Delta with any team getting votes in the ERFP poll vs any team in the universe not getting votes. You can't.

Mach, chill... I said "you're probably right" about Cortland beating W. Conn. by 40. My point is don't completely discount their abilities. W.Conn. was a former NJAC member(2004-12) so the culture includes playing "up". They have a good shot at being in this year's tourney and besides, they have a really cool winged roof stadium. 

I'm super chill. i was actually having a little fun with it, that's all.