East Region Fan Poll

[Machiavelli]

So a few of these could be interchangeable, but this is totally legit. The good news is WestConn might crack the ERFP Top 25 for me(but it still feels forced):

1   Brockport
2   Frostburg St.
3   RPI
4   Salisbury
5   Wesley
6   Delaware Valley
7   Ithaca
8   Montclair St.
9   Rowan
10   Cortland
11   Christopher Newport
12   Stevenson
13   Framingham St.
14   MIT
15   Merchant Marine
16   Springfield
17   Endicott
18   Hobart
19   Misericordia
20   Western New England
21   Alfred
22   Utica
23   Morisville St.
24   Husson
25   Western Ct.

Alfred beats 14-20

I don't disagree. I think you can throw 13-23 in a hat and pull them out.

...and not 24 or 25?

Nope.

[Bombers798891]

I'm pretty unimpressed by Alfred this season. The Cortland win was nice, and they had a shot against IC. But 4-3, with wins over Thiel (0-8 and one of the worst teams in the country), and Buff State (1-6, and non competitive in most of those losses) doesn't do much for me.

[Machiavelli]

Look, Union smoked both Husson and Springfield and I had to leave them off because of a few tough losses. Make no mistake, Husson and Western Ct. only crack my top 25 because of record. It's contrary to my points earlier, but we're talking stretching to put them at 24 and 25 now, not 9 or 10.

[wesleydad]

I get it. But just for fun I will figure out where Wesley should be.  My original thought is that they are the second best team in the east.  They beat Del Val so no matter what happens they stay ahead of Del Val.  They lost to Frostburg and Rowan so I have to put Frostburg and Rowan ahead of them based on actual results.  So with just these 4 and Brockport I would my rankings would be Brockport, Frostburg, Rowan, Wesley, and Del Val.  Now looking at Rowan they lost to Frostburg and CNU, so that means I have to put CNU ahead of Rowan, etc. etc. etc.  I dont think Rowan is better than Wesley, but they did beat them.  I just find it hard to keep Wesley as a top 3 or 4 team when they have lost twice, just like I can't move Rowan into the top 10 even after they beat Wesley because they lost to Frostburg and CNU, who I don't think should be in just because Rowan beat Wesley and they beat Rowan.

Now I can say that I put Montclair in with 2 loses ahead of Wesley because in my opinion their 2 loses, competitive to Frostburg and Salisbury are better than Wesley's loses to Frostburg and Rowan. I have Ithaca ahead of both of them based on who they lost to, Brockport and RPI, being better loses than either Montclair or Wesley.  I also took another look at Stevenson, with loses to Frostburg and Del Val, but could not have them jump Wesley based on common opponents.

After moving things around, you will be glad to know that W Conn gets bumped out of my top 10.

I like the conversation, nice to hear other opinions since we all already know our own.

[Machiavelli]

I get it. But just for fun I will figure out where Wesley should be.  My original thought is that they are the second best team in the east.  They beat Del Val so no matter what happens they stay ahead of Del Val.  They lost to Frostburg and Rowan so I have to put Frostburg and Rowan ahead of them based on actual results.  So with just these 4 and Brockport I would my rankings would be Brockport, Frostburg, Rowan, Wesley, and Del Val.  Now looking at Rowan they lost to Frostburg and CNU, so that means I have to put CNU ahead of Rowan, etc. etc. etc.  I dont think Rowan is better than Wesley, but they did beat them.  I just find it hard to keep Wesley as a top 3 or 4 team when they have lost twice, just like I can't move Rowan into the top 10 even after they beat Wesley because they lost to Frostburg and CNU, who I don't think should be in just because Rowan beat Wesley and they beat Rowan.

Now I can say that I put Montclair in with 2 loses ahead of Wesley because in my opinion their 2 loses, competitive to Frostburg and Salisbury are better than Wesley's loses to Frostburg and Rowan. I have Ithaca ahead of both of them based on who they lost to, Brockport and RPI, being better loses than either Montclair or Wesley.  I also took another look at Stevenson, with loses to Frostburg and Del Val, but could not have them jump Wesley based on common opponents.

After moving things around, you will be glad to know that W Conn gets bumped out of my top 10.

I like the conversation, nice to hear other opinions since we all already know our own.

I'd honestly have no problem if you had Wesley at 2 if you think they are the 2nd best team. It would be questionable having them in front of Frostburg though because of the H2H result. I think factoring in the Rowan result would make sense to drop them no higher than 3, but no lower than 6 or 7.

[Oline89]

I'm pretty unimpressed by Alfred this season. The Cortland win was nice, and they had a shot against IC. But 4-3, with wins over Thiel (0-8 and one of the worst teams in the country), and Buff State (1-6, and non competitive in most of those losses) doesn't do much for me.

Agreed. Take 2-4 in LL an 2-4 in the E8, all look relatively equal.  I also feel playing at home has meant a lot to this years outcomes  (generalization I know)

[jmcozenlaw]

The Rodman days were some of the best days. Very early on, but what a character. DIdn't have the staying power of HollaDawg or 'Gro, Reg etc, but he was probably one of the more memorable. Who Dat Said Gon Beat WESCONN!!! Osborne St. Pub 4-Eva

The old MAC board had some characters back in the day but I've minimized my time there as many have left or are barely around anymore. I don't think it's a time issue for most, as every human walking the planet has 5-10 minutes a week to sit down and throw a few sentences into a post..................I think that for many, interest decreases as time goes on. I like to look back at the very beginning of this version of the board and wonder where most of the characters are. I can understand why those who have "permanently retired" are no longer posting, but I can't understand most of the rest. I know of a few who left as a result of team performance (I'm not calling you out, Simba), but it is a bit sad to see the passion once held fade into oblivion. I often wonder if many even bother to check the scores and standings during the season. Oh well, even for us diehards, it will never pay the bills, keep us healthy nor get us into heaven so perspective should rule the day.

[Pat Coleman]

Will definitely never pay the bills.

Also, though, no tears shed when Jim Jones' mom left the board.

[jmcozenlaw]

Will definitely never pay the bills.

Also, though, no tears shed when Jim Jones' mom left the board.

Nice!!! On a completely unrelated note, I hope to hear you again on the D3Hoops coverage of the tourney out in Vegas. You guys were outstanding last year.....................even Ira.

[Pat Coleman]

Will definitely never pay the bills.

Also, though, no tears shed when Jim Jones' mom left the board.

Nice!!! On a completely unrelated note, I hope to hear you again on the D3Hoops coverage of the tourney out in Vegas. You guys were outstanding last year.....................even Ira.

Thanks! These days, the D3hoops.com Classic are the only games I get to call anymore, so I definitely enjoy it.

[UfanBill]

Look, Union smoked both Husson and Springfield and I had to leave them off because of a few tough losses. Make no mistake, Husson and Western Ct. only crack my top 25 because of record. It's contrary to my points earlier, but we're talking stretching to put them at 24 and 25 now, not 9 or 10.

Mach, again you're being ridiculously unreasonable. To leave Union out of your top 25 is a joke.  So the three teams in your 25 that have three losses are better than Union?  Not to mention Husson and Springfield who Union stomped? I'm voting RPI #3 because I have integrity and am unbiased even though as a Union guy I hate the Engineers. You've lost all credibility with me.

[Machiavelli]

Look, Union smoked both Husson and Springfield and I had to leave them off because of a few tough losses. Make no mistake, Husson and Western Ct. only crack my top 25 because of record. It's contrary to my points earlier, but we're talking stretching to put them at 24 and 25 now, not 9 or 10.

Mach, again you're being ridiculously unreasonable. To leave Union out of your top 25 is a joke.  So the three teams in your 25 that have three losses are better than Union?  Not to mention Husson and Springfield who Union stomped? I'm voting RPI #3 because I have integrity and am unbiased even though as a Union guy I hate the Engineers. You've lost all credibility with me.

Bill, you're 100% right Union should be in there and I didn't leave them off on purpose. Union and Hobart should be on there. I was more or less making a point but I left 3-4 loss teams out.

[UfanBill]

Look, Union smoked both Husson and Springfield and I had to leave them off because of a few tough losses. Make no mistake, Husson and Western Ct. only crack my top 25 because of record. It's contrary to my points earlier, but we're talking stretching to put them at 24 and 25 now, not 9 or 10.

Mach, again you're being ridiculously unreasonable. To leave Union out of your top 25 is a joke.  So the three teams in your 25 that have three losses are better than Union?  Not to mention Husson and Springfield who Union stomped? I'm voting RPI #3 because I have integrity and am unbiased even though as a Union guy I hate the Engineers. You've lost all credibility with me.

Bill, you're 100% right Union should be in there and I didn't leave them off on purpose. Union and Hobart should be on there. I was more or less making a point but I left 3-4 loss teams out.

...I rest my case. Too bad we have to wait three weeks for the Shoes Game. I'm hoping the Engineers don't trip up before then.

[TheOsprey]

So a few of these could be interchangeable, but this is totally legit. The good news is WestConn might crack the ERFP Top 25 for me(but it still feels forced):

1   Brockport
2   Frostburg St.
3   RPI
4   Salisbury
5   Wesley
6   Delaware Valley
7   Ithaca
8   Montclair St.
9   Rowan
10   Cortland
11   Christopher Newport
12   Stevenson
13   Framingham St.
14   MIT
15   Merchant Marine
16   Springfield
17   Endicott
18   Hobart
19   Misericordia
20   Western New England
21   Alfred
22   Utica
23   Morisville St.
24   Husson
25   Western Ct.

Very good lineup Mach.

Currently,  I got Rowan, MSU, and Fram. St. as just out of the rankings.  So MIT and WConn are blocking teams I believe would defeat them. 

I want to get another MAC team in there, but CNU probably is next up.

I'd be considered bias (NJAC fan), if my poll looked like yours. 

Still alot of games to play. 

[Ice Bear]

I'm pretty unimpressed by Alfred this season. The Cortland win was nice, and they had a shot against IC. But 4-3, with wins over Thiel (0-8 and one of the worst teams in the country), and Buff State (1-6, and non competitive in most of those losses) doesn't do much for me.

Dutch Boy agrees and this is exactly his previous point. As unimpressive as Alfred has been he still believes wholeheartedly they defeat the likes of MIT and West Conn in a sound manner.