East Region Fan Poll

[Machiavelli]

Any thoughts on what the Regional Rankings will look like? I believe its going to be:

1.   Brockport (8-0)
2.   Frostburg (8-0)
3.   RPI (8-0)
4.   Salisbury (8-0)
5.   Delaware Valley (7-1)
6.   Cortland State (7-1)
7.   Western Conn (8-0)
8.   Merchant Marine (7-1)
9.   Misericordia (7-1)
10.   Montclair State (6-2)/Western New England (7-1)

[wesleydad]

   Total
1   70   Brockport
2   63   Frostburg
3   55   RPI
4   50   Salisbury
5   34   Ithaca
6   29   Del Val
7   28   Cortland
8   28   Montclair
9   15   Wesley
10   8   W Conn
      
orv   3   Stevenson
orv   1   Alfred
orv   1   CNU

Vote Breakdown                     
Brockport   1   1   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2   2   2
RPI           3   3   3   3   3   3   4
Salisbury   4   4   4   4   4   4   3
Ithaca   7   7   5   5   6   5   8
Del Val   5   5   9   6   5   9   9
Cortland   6   6   7   8   8   8   6
Montclair   8   8   6   9   7   6   5
Wesley   x   9   8   x   9   7   7
W Conn   10   10   10   7   10   x   x
                     
Stevenson   9   x   x   10   x   x   x
Alfred   x   x   x   x   x   10   x
CNU           x   x   x   x   x   x   10

Key East Region Games this week         
Cortland v Brockport      E8 Championship game   
Wesley v Salisbury      Salisbury win and they are in   
Rowan v Montclair St         
Amherst v Trinity Conn   Nescac Championship game   
Ithaca v Hobart           Ithaca wins out they may be second poll C east team giving them a chance to get on the board.   
Framingham St v W Conn   Mascac Championship game   

Voters               
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU, Dutch Boy, Machiavelli               

[Oline89]

Any thoughts on what the Regional Rankings will look like? I believe its going to be:

1.   Brockport (8-0)
2.   Frostburg (8-0)
3.   RPI (8-0)
4.   Salisbury (8-0)
5.   Delaware Valley (7-1)
6.   Cortland State (7-1)
7.   Western Conn (8-0)
8.   Merchant Marine (7-1)
9.   Misericordia (7-1)
10.   Montclair State (6-2)/Western New England (7-1)

Despite their one loss, I can't imagine that Misericordia makes the top 10.  They have a very weak SOS, since they don't play the top two teams in the MAC.  Although I am having trouble figuring out who the last team ould be.  I like Montclair state and WNE over Misericoridia

[wesleydad]

If things break Ithaca's way, Cortland loss to Brockport and 2 Salisbury loses, and they may be the first team on the board from the East with 2 loses.  It will be interesting to see how the committee ranks some of the smaller/weaker conferences.  If W Conn loses to Framingham, W Conn only has 1 loss, does the committee keep them ahead of Ithaca?  Looking forward to the East Regional Rankings to see how it plays out.

The other debate, does a 3 loss team belong in?  Based on the voters it seems so.  I don't get it, but perception seems to be trumping reality. 

[MRMIKESMITH]

Any thoughts on what the Regional Rankings will look like? I believe its going to be:

1.   Brockport (8-0)
2.   Frostburg (8-0)
3.   RPI (8-0)
4.   Salisbury (8-0)
5.   Delaware Valley (7-1)
6.   Cortland State (7-1)
7.   Western Conn (8-0)
8.   Merchant Marine (7-1)
9.   Misericordia (7-1)
10.   Montclair State (6-2)/Western New England (7-1)

Despite their one loss, I can't imagine that Misericordia makes the top 10.  They have a very weak SOS, since they don't play the top two teams in the MAC.  Although I am having trouble figuring out who the last team ould be.  I like Montclair state and WNE over Misericoridia

I originally was looking at Merchant Marine SOS, so I'll have to adjust ant put WNE where Misericordia is and drop them or put either Montclair or Ithaca. However, the committee will be looking at based upon my assumption;  0-1(.4464), 0-2 (.5962), and 0-2 (.5283) for that last spot.

[rams1102]

If things break Ithaca's way, Cortland loss to Brockport and 2 Salisbury loses, and they may be the first team on the board from the East with 2 loses.  It will be interesting to see how the committee ranks some of the smaller/weaker conferences.  If W Conn loses to Framingham, W Conn only has 1 loss, does the committee keep them ahead of Ithaca?  Looking forward to the East Regional Rankings to see how it plays out.

The other debate, does a 3 loss team belong in?  Based on the voters it seems so.  I don't get it, but perception seems to be trumping reality.

That could also put Montclair in the running if your theory is true on the 2 losses. It appears that Salisbury will be the decider.

[ITH radio]

Our take (really Frank's projection) is:

1. BP
2. FSU
3. Sals
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Cort
7. W CT
8. Mont
9. IC
10. WNE

[Bombers798891]

If things break Ithaca's way, Cortland loss to Brockport and 2 Salisbury loses, and they may be the first team on the board from the East with 2 loses.  It will be interesting to see how the committee ranks some of the smaller/weaker conferences.  If W Conn loses to Framingham, W Conn only has 1 loss, does the committee keep them ahead of Ithaca?  Looking forward to the East Regional Rankings to see how it plays out.

The other debate, does a 3 loss team belong in?  Based on the voters it seems so.  I don't get it, but perception seems to be trumping reality.

I can't see a scenario in which Wesley even gets discussed with three losses. Mainly because, how do you spin the Rowan loss? Montclair's at least competitive against the big boys. Rowan's been straight waxed by the three good non-Wesley teams they've played, and are barely sneaking past lousy teams like So. Virginia and TCNJ. Wesley losing that game makes them a non-starter with three losses.

[Bombers798891]

Our take (really Frank's projection) is:

1. BP
2. FSU
3. Sals
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Cort
7. W CT
8. Mont
9. IC
10. WNE

So here's something I've wondered, that I'm sure has been asked, answered in the past, but I can't recall:

If Cortland loses to Brockport to fall to say, 9th, and then again to IC, does the committee consider that a win against a RR opponent? Or does IC essentially harm their own case by knocking Cortland out of the rankings? (Not that losing to them is preferable, of course)

[wally_wabash]

If things break Ithaca's way, Cortland loss to Brockport and 2 Salisbury loses, and they may be the first team on the board from the East with 2 loses.  It will be interesting to see how the committee ranks some of the smaller/weaker conferences.  If W Conn loses to Framingham, W Conn only has 1 loss, does the committee keep them ahead of Ithaca?  Looking forward to the East Regional Rankings to see how it plays out.

Ithaca is president of the good loss club.  13-7 vs. presumed East #1 Brockport and 10-9 to presumed East #3 RPI.  I'd say their SOS advantage over WCSU would put Ithaca ahead of WCSU if WCSU picks up a loss.  The SOS advantage plus 0-2 vs RROs E1 and E3 is significantly better than 0-1 vs. RRO E8/9/10 (kind of a best case scenario for Framingham). 

[wally_wabash]

Our take (really Frank's projection) is:

1. BP
2. FSU
3. Sals
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Cort
7. W CT
8. Mont
9. IC
10. WNE

So here's something I've wondered, that I'm sure has been asked, answered in the past, but I can't recall:

If Cortland loses to Brockport to fall to say, 9th, and then again to IC, does the committee consider that a win against a RR opponent? Or does IC essentially harm their own case by knocking Cortland out of the rankings? (Not that losing to them is preferable, of course)

As I understand it, the only teams that count as ranked teams are the teams that are ranked after the conclusion of play in Week 11 in what used to be secret rankings (the final rankings did get released last year, which is fantastic).  So yes, if Ithaca beats Cortland, Cortland probably falls out of the top 10 and won't count for Ithaca as a ranked opponent.  That's the downside of not using a once ranked, always ranked system.   

[MRMIKESMITH]

Our take (really Frank's projection) is:

1. BP
2. FSU
3. Sals
4. RPI
5. DVC
6. Cort
7. W CT
8. Mont
9. IC
10. WNE

So here's something I've wondered, that I'm sure has been asked, answered in the past, but I can't recall:

If Cortland loses to Brockport to fall to say, 9th, and then again to IC, does the committee consider that a win against a RR opponent? Or does IC essentially harm their own case by knocking Cortland out of the rankings? (Not that losing to them is preferable, of course)

As I understand it, the only teams that count as ranked teams are the teams that are ranked after the conclusion of play in Week 11 in what used to be secret rankings (the final rankings did get released last year, which is fantastic).  So yes, if Ithaca beats Cortland, Cortland probably falls out of the top 10 and won't count for Ithaca as a ranked opponent.  That's the downside of not using a once ranked, always ranked system.   

Wally do you think Merchant Marine gets considered with their SOS?

[Bombers798891]

If things break Ithaca's way, Cortland loss to Brockport and 2 Salisbury loses, and they may be the first team on the board from the East with 2 loses.  It will be interesting to see how the committee ranks some of the smaller/weaker conferences.  If W Conn loses to Framingham, W Conn only has 1 loss, does the committee keep them ahead of Ithaca?  Looking forward to the East Regional Rankings to see how it plays out.

Ithaca is president of the good loss club.  13-7 vs. presumed East #1 Brockport and 10-9 to presumed East #3 RPI.  I'd say their SOS advantage over WCSU would put Ithaca ahead of WCSU if WCSU picks up a loss.  The SOS advantage plus 0-2 vs RROs E1 and E3 is significantly better than 0-1 vs. RRO E8/9/10 (kind of a best case scenario for Framingham).

Wally, can you expand a bit on how the committee tends to view RRO records?

Like, I know it all depends where the teams are ranked, but in general, is there a point at which an extra loss/losses trumps fewer games/wins? As an extreme example, if a team went 0-3 against like E1, E3, E7, and another team went 1-0 against say, E10, what's looked at as a better result?

[wally_wabash]

Wally do you think Merchant Marine gets considered with their SOS?

Definitely.  Now, USMMA's SOS is going to get dinged hard this weekend once we put Catholic on the books.  But they're still going to be in pretty good shape.  If they can win the Secretaries Cup and get into the clubhouse at 9-1, AND if Misericordia can end 9-1 and stay ranked, USMMA looks really good for Pool B.  Misericordia is the gift that keeps on giving for the Mariners. 

Now, it gets a little weird if MIT beats Springfield and you wind up with MIT and USMMA as NEWMAC co-champs.  In an AQ situation, the league would certainly award MIT the tournament bid based on the h2h result.  But Pool B is an at-large situation and per the selection criteria, USMMA grades out quite a bit better than MIT despite the h2h result.  It would definitely put the East RAC in a bind.  The cleaner solution is to get a USMMA/Springfield co-championship, with USMMA being the obvious choice to compare with Thomas More for the Pool B bid. 

[Machiavelli]

If MMA gets an at large bid, the system is severely flawed and we are all much worse off for being fans of D3 football.