East Region Fan Poll

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Bartman

Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 10, 2018, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The East is not very good this year.  1 team may be competitive after the first round.  If the East teams were sent all over instead of a sort of east region Brockport could be the only team that would win a game.  Frostburg looks average against Salisbury today.  RPI gets smoked by Union.  Just not a good season for the east.

I tried to tell y'all that last month and got scolded for it. RPI was almost the worst 10-0 team I've ever seen, so I guess that makes them one lousy 9-1 team.
There is no question that RPI is not a good 9-1 team(Taking nothing away from the win by Union today). Ithaca is probably the best out of the LL despite the 10-9 loss to RPI , but then ,Hobart a 5-4 team was a very tough out for IC last week. The top 4 teams in the LL were pretty close this year. So, either it was a bad year for the East(except Brockport ...and we will see if that is true very soon) or there were a whole bunch of  good teams , but only one stood out clearly untouched in every game. Everyone says how good the NJAC is compared to the other conferences , but I am not so sure we have enough data to say definitively that is true. Perhaps Frosty and Brockport will win a few and the East should look good. Maybe DelVal and RPI will surprise in the playoffs, but I doubt it. Bottom line, the observation that the East was down this year is probably valid. The irony would be Brockport winning the Stagg Bowl.
"I never graduated from Iowa, but I was only there for two terms - Truman's and Eisenhower's."
Alex Karras
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time."
Max McGee

jmcozenlaw

Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2018, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 10, 2018, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The East is not very good this year.  1 team may be competitive after the first round.  If the East teams were sent all over instead of a sort of east region Brockport could be the only team that would win a game.  Frostburg looks average against Salisbury today.  RPI gets smoked by Union.  Just not a good season for the east.

I tried to tell y'all that last month and got scolded for it. RPI was almost the worst 10-0 team I've ever seen, so I guess that makes them one lousy 9-1 team.
There is no question that RPI is not a good 9-1 team(Taking nothing away from the win by Union today). Ithaca is probably the best out of the LL despite the 10-9 loss to RPI , but then ,Hobart a 5-4 team was a very tough out for IC last week. The top 4 teams in the LL were pretty close this year. So, either it was a bad year for the East(except Brockport ...and we will see if that is true very soon) or there were a whole bunch of  good teams , but only one stood out clearly untouched in every game. Everyone says how good the NJAC is compared to the other conferences , but I am not so sure we have enough data to say definitively that is true. Perhaps Frosty and Brockport will win a few and the East should look good. Maybe DelVal and RPI will surprise in the playoffs, but I doubt it. Bottom line, the observation that the East was down this year is probably valid. The irony would be Brockport winning the Stagg Bowl.

I don't think DelVal does much in the playoffs this year and given the sheer number of losses from last year's NCAA Quarterfinal team (9 of 11 defensive starters, 6 of 11 offensive starters, KR and PR), it shouldn't be a surprise either. They've got 9 defensive starters coming back next year as well as a few returning key players who were not on this year's team. If they can get solid QB play, they've got a young offensive line, several returning WR's and TE's, some nice backs and a stud RB not playing this year. A few "surprises" (shhhhhhhh.........can't tell ;) ) are looking to be joining the team as well. This season was just a precursor to what could be an excellent season next year. The Nobile brothers could be a problem for teams for three more years.....................and they have a few buddies looking to join the crew. ;)

MRMIKESMITH

Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2018, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 10, 2018, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The East is not very good this year.  1 team may be competitive after the first round.  If the East teams were sent all over instead of a sort of east region Brockport could be the only team that would win a game.  Frostburg looks average against Salisbury today.  RPI gets smoked by Union.  Just not a good season for the east.

I tried to tell y'all that last month and got scolded for it. RPI was almost the worst 10-0 team I've ever seen, so I guess that makes them one lousy 9-1 team.
There is no question that RPI is not a good 9-1 team(Taking nothing away from the win by Union today). Ithaca is probably the best out of the LL despite the 10-9 loss to RPI , but then ,Hobart a 5-4 team was a very tough out for IC last week. The top 4 teams in the LL were pretty close this year. So, either it was a bad year for the East(except Brockport ...and we will see if that is true very soon) or there were a whole bunch of  good teams , but only one stood out clearly untouched in every game. Everyone says how good the NJAC is compared to the other conferences , but I am not so sure we have enough data to say definitively that is true. Perhaps Frosty and Brockport will win a few and the East should look good. Maybe DelVal and RPI will surprise in the playoffs, but I doubt it. Bottom line, the observation that the East was down this year is probably valid. The irony would be Brockport winning the Stagg Bowl.

I think the East is better than what we think this year. I think due to there being 3 or 4 teams in the LL, NJAC, and E 8 that could have easily been conference champ, it may appear to be a "down' year, but sometimes that a good sign and a testament to the conferences. I know we all want to see a conference champ be able to beat all their opponents by 28 points and then go onto the playoffs, but that doesn't always work out, may the tough challenges will help them in the those close games and maybe we get two teams again to the Final 8 and 1 into the final 4 and hopefully the stagg and win. I will be rooting for the East the whole way.

Bartman

I think there were a bunch of pretty good teams in the East, and I really enjoyed the competitive league races. While I wish Frosty and BPort all the best to represent the East, I also thank all of the great  D3 student athletes and coaches that gave it their all every practice and every game....their efforts and experience will help all of them in life post football.
"I never graduated from Iowa, but I was only there for two terms - Truman's and Eisenhower's."
Alex Karras
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time."
Max McGee

Red Hawks 12

Quote from: MANDGSU on November 11, 2018, 07:20:31 AM
Quote from: Bartman on November 10, 2018, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 10, 2018, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 10, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
The East is not very good this year.  1 team may be competitive after the first round.  If the East teams were sent all over instead of a sort of east region Brockport could be the only team that would win a game.  Frostburg looks average against Salisbury today.  RPI gets smoked by Union.  Just not a good season for the east.

I tried to tell y'all that last month and got scolded for it. RPI was almost the worst 10-0 team I've ever seen, so I guess that makes them one lousy 9-1 team.
There is no question that RPI is not a good 9-1 team(Taking nothing away from the win by Union today). Ithaca is probably the best out of the LL despite the 10-9 loss to RPI , but then ,Hobart a 5-4 team was a very tough out for IC last week. The top 4 teams in the LL were pretty close this year. So, either it was a bad year for the East(except Brockport ...and we will see if that is true very soon) or there were a whole bunch of  good teams , but only one stood out clearly untouched in every game. Everyone says how good the NJAC is compared to the other conferences , but I am not so sure we have enough data to say definitively that is true. Perhaps Frosty and Brockport will win a few and the East should look good. Maybe DelVal and RPI will surprise in the playoffs, but I doubt it. Bottom line, the observation that the East was down this year is probably valid. The irony would be Brockport winning the Stagg Bowl.

I think the East is better than what we think this year. I think due to there being 3 or 4 teams in the LL, NJAC, and E 8 that could have easily been conference champ, it may appear to be a "down' year, but sometimes that a good sign and a testament to the conferences. I know we all want to see a conference champ be able to beat all their opponents by 28 points and then go onto the playoffs, but that doesn't always work out, may the tough challenges will help them in the those close games and maybe we get two teams again to the Final 8 and 1 into the final 4 and hopefully the stagg and win. I will be rooting for the East the whole way.

AGREE!!!!!

Red Hawks 12

Quote from: Bartman on November 11, 2018, 10:24:41 AM
I think there were a bunch of pretty good teams in the East, and I really enjoyed the competitive league races. While I wish Frosty and BPort all the best to represent the East, I also thank all of the great  D3 student athletes and coaches that gave it their all every practice and every game....their efforts and experience will help all of them in life post football.

Well Said!

"Keep Pounding"
Sam Mills

rams1102

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wesleydad

#6607
   Total   
1   59   Brockport
2   45   Frostburg
3   35   Del Val
4   29   RPI
5   27   Ithaca
6   26   Salisbury
7   22   Montclair
8   12   CNU
9   9   Stevenson
10   6   Wesley
      
orv   4   Cortland
orv   3   Union
orv   1   MIT

Vote Breakdown               
Brockport   1   1   1   1   1
Frostburg   2   2   2   2   2
Del Val   3   4   7   3   3
RPI           4   3   6   4   9
Ithaca   5   5   3   5   4
Salisbury   6   7   4   7   5
Montclair   7   6   5   8   7
CNU           8   8   8   x   8
Stevenson   9   10   x   10   6
Wesley   x   x   10   6   x
               
Cortland   x   9   9   x   x
Union   x   x   x   9   10
MIT         10   x   x   x   x

Key East Region Games this week      
Framingham v Brockport      NCAA
WNE v Frostburg              NCAA
Husson v RPI                      NCAA
MIT v Johns Hopkins              NCAA
Muhlenberg v Del Val
Lyco v Franklin and Marshall      
Mer Marine v Endicott      
Wesley v Westminster      
Alfred v Salisbury      
Ursinus v Miseracordia      
Stevenson v Susquehana      
SUNY Maritime v Springfield      
Morrisville v Grove City

Voters                  
Wesleydad, The Osprey, Rams 1102, UfanBill, MANDGSU, Dutch Boy dnv, Machiavelli dnv                        

wesleydad

#6608
Final rankings.  I still do not get votes for Wesley, they have 4 losses.  I get it that it was by only 5 points, but they lost.  Do I think on any given day they could beat anyone in the poll, yes, but actual results have to count and they have 4 losses.

I think Brockport makes the semis.  I think Frostburg loses to Hopkins.  I think Del Val beats Muhlenberg but loses to John Carroll.  I dont see anyone else winning a second game.

Jonny Utah

Quote from: wesleydad on November 14, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Final rankings.  I still do not get votes for Wesley, they have 4 losses.  I get it that it was by only 5 points, but they lost.  Do I think on any given day they could beat anyone in the poll, yes, but actual results have to count and they have 4 losses.

I think Brockport makes the semis.  I think Frostburg loses to Hopkins.  I think Del Val beats Muhlenberg but loses to John Carroll.  I dont see anyone else winning a second game.

Why do you think Frostburg loses to Hopkins?

thewaterboy

#6610
Quote from: wesleydad on November 14, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Final rankings.  I still do not get votes for Wesley, they have 4 losses.  I get it that it was by only 5 points, but they lost.  Do I think on any given day they could beat anyone in the poll, yes, but actual results have to count and they have 4 losses.

I think Brockport makes the semis.  I think Frostburg loses to Hopkins.  I think Del Val beats Muhlenberg but loses to John Carroll.  I dont see anyone else winning a second game.
I think Wesley's name still bears weight. I think that UWW's name was the reason for its quick ascent in the top 25 this season. Same idea IMO.

I agree with your assessment with the East's NCAA teams. If Brockport doesn't make the semis, it would be a disappointment for them. Frostburg will struggle with Hopkins. Hopkins is always underrated in the playoffs IMO. They played Wesley super tough the two times the teams have matched up. This year it looks like their offense is really good... statistically. Frostburg is going to give up points. It'll be up to Connor Cox to keep up in that potential matchup.

John Carroll is going to be solid. Their defense will get them a long way. I think that is where the road ends for Del Val too.

MRMIKESMITH

I actually think we will see both Frostburg and Brocport in the Quarters. I think Brockport easily wins the 1st two rounds. Frostburg will have a challenge with Hopkins, but Frostburg will be the best defense that Hopkins will see all year. Wesley is a conundrum, I didn't have them ranked, because of the mulitple losses, but as aforementioned, they had the potential to play with anyone. I do think Delaware Valley will make a good game if they were to play Carroll in the 2nd round, but I think if Carroll starts to run the ball between the tackles, it is going to be a long day for the Aggies. Now regarding the rest of the poll, it would have been nice to see Montclair, Cortland, and LL participate in the ECAC's, but that's the nature of some DIII programs. I don't think the rankings change if all the higher seeds win this week in their post season games. We will know more come week two of the playoffs on who is real and who is not.

thewaterboy

Quote from: MANDGSU on November 14, 2018, 01:36:50 PM
I actually think we will see both Frostburg and Brocport in the Quarters. I think Brockport easily wins the 1st two rounds. Frostburg will have a challenge with Hopkins, but Frostburg will be the best defense that Hopkins will see all year. Wesley is a conundrum, I didn't have them ranked, because of the mulitple losses, but as aforementioned, they had the potential to play with anyone. I do think Delaware Valley will make a good game if they were to play Carroll in the 2nd round, but I think if Carroll starts to run the ball between the tackles, it is going to be a long day for the Aggies. Now regarding the rest of the poll, it would have been nice to see Montclair, Cortland, and LL participate in the ECAC's, but that's the nature of some DIII programs. I don't think the rankings change if all the higher seeds win this week in their post season games. We will know more come week two of the playoffs on who is real and who is not.
Frostburg may be the best defense Hopkins has seen, but I also think Hopkins has the best offense that Frostburg has seen.

wesleydad

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 14, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Final rankings.  I still do not get votes for Wesley, they have 4 losses.  I get it that it was by only 5 points, but they lost.  Do I think on any given day they could beat anyone in the poll, yes, but actual results have to count and they have 4 losses.

I think Brockport makes the semis.  I think Frostburg loses to Hopkins.  I think Del Val beats Muhlenberg but loses to John Carroll.  I dont see anyone else winning a second game.

Why do you think Frostburg loses to Hopkins?

I think Hopkins is better than Salisbury, who could/should have beaten Frostburg.  I think Frostburg has taken a small step back from last year.  Frostburg gave up 34 to Wesley and 35 to Salisbury so they are going to give up points, will they be able to score enough to win.  Hopkins is dangerous to play.  They have shown steady improvement from the early loss.  The X factor is Cox.  He has pulled victory from the jaws of defeat several times this year and very well could do it again.

Oline89

Quote from: wesleydad on November 14, 2018, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 14, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on November 14, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Final rankings.  I still do not get votes for Wesley, they have 4 losses.  I get it that it was by only 5 points, but they lost.  Do I think on any given day they could beat anyone in the poll, yes, but actual results have to count and they have 4 losses.

I think Brockport makes the semis.  I think Frostburg loses to Hopkins.  I think Del Val beats Muhlenberg but loses to John Carroll.  I dont see anyone else winning a second game.

Why do you think Frostburg loses to Hopkins?

I think Hopkins is better than Salisbury, who could/should have beaten Frostburg.  I think Frostburg has taken a small step back from last year.  Frostburg gave up 34 to Wesley and 35 to Salisbury so they are going to give up points, will they be able to score enough to win.  Hopkins is dangerous to play.  They have shown steady improvement from the early loss.  The X factor is Cox.  He has pulled victory from the jaws of defeat several times this year and very well could do it again.

Not so sure about this.  Hopkins has blown out the teams they are supposed to blowout and had a close game against the best team in the CC.  I think Frosty is battle tested against Wesley, Salisbury, Mont St,  CN, As long as they haven't been beat up too badly, they should take down Hopkins. Frosty-Bport is the matchup we want to see!