East Region Fan Poll

[Oline89]

As 88-91 points out, they're 2-0 isn't of any note compared with anyone else's.  That's all.  After they beat RPI then we can talk. 

Seriously. I get that early season polls are all guesswork, but it's especially hard in this region, because it's just not as strong, and a lot of the OOC competition isn't very good. Also, Utica's yet to play a road game.

They'll get their chance to impress me. They just haven't yet. No one in the E8/LL really has yet.

No one has impressed you yet?  Preseason if you heard Hobart was going to beat Brockport by 26, it would have been laughed away.  I know the revisionist theory is that Brockport is just not good.  Also, how about Salisbury beating a traditional power in UWO?  Both big wins that have to be taken seriously.

[pumkinattack]

Don't have a poll until week 4 then.  But its not impossible to index teams a little, you've been making this claim on Utica for two weeks and now saying it's reasonable to have them at 3?  Clearly an outlier in the small sample size of voters.  Nobody really knows ho good or bad a result is until like week 8 for the most part.  Rowan could be the best 0-3 team in the country, god willing, after next week.  Union used to play a tough OOC and be like 1-3, 2-4 and finish with a winning record. 

[Bombers798891]

Preseason if you heard Hobart was going to beat Brockport by 26

We're not in the preseason now.

Also, how about Salisbury beating a traditional power in UWO?

Salisbury's not in the E8/LL

[MRMIKESMITH]

Preseason if you heard Hobart was going to beat Brockport by 26

We're not in the preseason now.

Also, how about Salisbury beating a traditional power in UWO?

Salisbury's not in the E8/LL

The first few year's in the E8 was great, the last two, not so much.

[pumkinattack]

Except You've been recently stating Utica is suspect because the teams they beat were bad last year and "we've seen this from Utica before".  Now a few days later it's "who knows at this point". Those don't go together very well.  Are you saying we have more evidence two weeks in than preseason that's valuable information, or is it just noise for now?  Not all data points have value.  I can't tell which side of this tor on.

On the one hand a business/company (I wouldn't call D3sports a business) puts out polls for marketing purposes.  A handful of fans on a blog board is doing it out of beliefs based at least in part on history until halfway through the season.  Colgate was still thought to be good last year when we smashed them a few weeks after they beat Cuse to start the season in lacrosse then after our game they fell off a cliff and people realized it was a Cuse team but it took like half a season.

I'm just curious what the person who believes Utica's 2-0 merits being 3rd at this stage.  Is it personnel, is it like most voters here a bias towards thee conference and AU and cortland haven't done enough to be top eE8 tram yetc something else. 

[wesleydad]

It's a minor note, but Kean scored a TD against Del Val when Del Val's third or fourth string quarterback threw an interception inside his own 20 and then the Kean running back got a favorable call from one yard out against Del Val's second or third string defense.

Kean's top unit wouldn't have scored against Del Val's top unit either.

Thanks Gordon.  In the end it is not good if your offense is comparable to Kean's

[gordonmann]

Good point.

[Bombers798891]

Except You've been recently stating Utica is suspect because the teams they beat were bad last year and "we've seen this from Utica before".  Now a few days later it's "who knows at this point". Those don't go together very well.  Are you saying we have more evidence two weeks in than preseason that's valuable information, or is it just noise for now? 

I don't know. I'm making educated guesses based on two games. My educated guess on Utica is based on their program's inconsistent history, and the fact that they've played two lousy teams, both at home. My educated guess on Hobart is based, in large part, on how terrible Brockport's offense looked last week.

In both cases, I feel like I have more information than I would have had preseason. That doesn't mean I have enough information that I'm not going to be proven wrong later.

Through 2 weeks, the teams Brockport has played, (and barely scored against are) IMO, roughly on par with Alfred and Cortland, maybe a tad worse. So I'm just guessing that they lose to those two teams.

Utica, on the other hand, has beaten St. Lawrence and Buff State. That doesn't tell me anything useful about games against Cortland, RPI, Union, or Alfred, all of whom I feel are much better than those two.

[CNU85]

Don't have a poll until week 4 then.  But its not impossible to index teams a little, you've been making this claim on Utica for two weeks and now saying it's reasonable to have them at 3?  Clearly an outlier in the small sample size of voters.  Nobody really knows ho good or bad a result is until like week 8 for the most part.  Rowan could be the best 0-3 team in the country, god willing, after next week.  Union used to play a tough OOC and be like 1-3, 2-4 and finish with a winning record.

Good points about OOC games. CNU tries to schedule as tough an OOC schedule as possible. CNU is now 0-2 for the 5th time in program history. The previous 4 times, they made the playoffs. The caveat -- the previous 4 times have been in the weak USA South. Also, many of those teams that made CNU 0-2 in the past are now NJAC Conference games. Doubtful that playoffs are in the picture this year.

[Ice Bear]

Don't have a poll until week 4 then.  But its not impossible to index teams a little, you've been making this claim on Utica for two weeks and now saying it's reasonable to have them at 3?  Clearly an outlier in the small sample size of voters.  Nobody really knows ho good or bad a result is until like week 8 for the most part.  Rowan could be the best 0-3 team in the country, god willing, after next week.  Union used to play a tough OOC and be like 1-3, 2-4 and finish with a winning record.

Good points about OOC games. CNU tries to schedule as tough an OOC schedule as possible. CNU is now 0-2 for the 5th time in program history. The previous 4 times, they made the playoffs. The caveat -- the previous 4 times have been in the weak USA South. Also, many of those teams that made CNU 0-2 in the past are now NJAC Conference games. Doubtful that playoffs are in the picture this year.

Ice Bear has been thinking about SOS/OOC games this week.

In the past Ice Bear has hammered the likes of Rensselaer and others for soft ass OOC scheduling. Ice Bear sees his beloved Garnet now doing this for the second consecutive year. Ice Bear used to hate it...now Ice Bear likes it.

Ice Bear says it gives his top players some initial exposure to game speed and the opportunity to have some success as well as to gain confidence while playing in small portions of the game. Ice Bear says when they are taken out early it not only prevents injury (less time on the field exposed to the ****ing physical toll football takes) but also provides important game experience to young players. Ice Bear says as a former athlete there is nothing like game experience.

Ice Bear does worry about the figurative "punch in the mouth" the team may receive when faced with a much higher level opponent for the first time (see Union's loss to a pumped up Hobart last season).

Ice Bear is in favor of this early season "cupcake" scheduling for his Dutchmen as of now. Ice Bear keeps saying it but the ****ing wounds of our program's nose dive are still fresh. More So than when Ice Bear used to wake up in his own slop after many night's of boozing swearing it off until the very second he felt better and was back at it.

Ice Bear expects more from the Pride on Saturday but feels the Dutch SHOULD still take this game by at least 10-14 points. If they lose we know where they really stand. If they win we still know very little until Hobart.

Ice Bear is happy.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Don't have a poll until week 4 then.  But its not impossible to index teams a little, you've been making this claim on Utica for two weeks and now saying it's reasonable to have them at 3?  Clearly an outlier in the small sample size of voters.  Nobody really knows ho good or bad a result is until like week 8 for the most part.  Rowan could be the best 0-3 team in the country, god willing, after next week.  Union used to play a tough OOC and be like 1-3, 2-4 and finish with a winning record.

Good points about OOC games. CNU tries to schedule as tough an OOC schedule as possible. CNU is now 0-2 for the 5th time in program history. The previous 4 times, they made the playoffs. The caveat -- the previous 4 times have been in the weak USA South. Also, many of those teams that made CNU 0-2 in the past are now NJAC Conference games. Doubtful that playoffs are in the picture this year.

Ice Bear has been thinking about SOS/OOC games this week.

In the past Ice Bear has hammered the likes of Rensselaer and others for soft ass OOC scheduling. Ice Bear sees his beloved Garnet now doing this for the second consecutive year. Ice Bear used to hate it...now Ice Bear likes it.

Ice Bear says it gives his top players some initial exposure to game speed and the opportunity to have some success as well as to gain confidence while playing in small portions of the game. Ice Bear says when they are taken out early it not only prevents injury (less time on the field exposed to the ****ing physical toll football takes) but also provides important game experience to young players. Ice Bear says as a former athlete there is nothing like game experience.

Ice Bear does worry about the figurative "punch in the mouth" the team may receive when faced with a much higher level opponent for the first time (see Union's loss to a pumped up Hobart last season).

Ice Bear is in favor of this early season "cupcake" scheduling for his Dutchmen as of now. Ice Bear keeps saying it but the ****ing wounds of our program's nose dive are still fresh. More So than when Ice Bear used to wake up in his own slop after many night's of boozing swaring it off until the very second he felt better and was back at it.

Ice Bear expects more from the Pride on Saturday but feels the Dutch SHOULD still take this game by at least 10-14 points. If they lose we know where they really stand. If they win we still know very little until Hobart.

Ice Bear is happy.

It depends on the conference and the player personnel that you expect. In some year's schedules are made 2-4 years out and on some occasions the summer of. I think depending on the team and what conference, you would have to choose wisely. For example, Salisbury only has 9 games this year, say we end up in 2nd place in the NJAC with a win over Central Virginia U instead of UW-O, this would tremendously hurt our chances for an at-large bid. Another factor is how well your conference perform overall as well. When Salisbury was in the Old ACFC, we had to schedule Top 3 teams from various conferences.

[MRMIKESMITH]

A tad difficult with my poll as some teams won as expected and others had some close wins.

[UfanBill]

Here's my Week #3.

1)  Ithaca     ....Who's to argue?
2)  Wesley   ....Has won them all
3)  Hobart    ....see above
4)  Salisbury ....nice win over WIAC -Oshkosh, moves them up
5)  Union      ....dominated but struggled? Preseason's over. Must play better.
6)  Del Val   .....beat their toughest MAC competition
7)  Cortland.....why not?
8)  Brockport....Righted the ship?
9)  WPI         ....3-0 with a ranked win
10  WNE      ......I give them kudos for stepping up and representing but an L's an L.

I could have gone with RPI but they've been far from impressive. Endicott should/could have won, nice effort but again an L's an L... Utica will be a spoiler.
     

[wesleydad]

fan poll running slow.  interested to see how it breaks down this week.  Seems like plenty of ok teams in the east, but few if any real good ones.

[MRMIKESMITH]

fan poll running slow.  interested to see how it breaks down this week.  Seems like plenty of ok teams in the east, but few if any real good ones.

Awaiting on pollster...will post shortly after noon if I don't hear back...More than welcome to fill in for the week...