East Region Fan Poll

[Oline89]

I was actually asking the question, didn't mean to come off sarcastic.  Pretty sure Pat Coleman mentioned in the D3 podcast yesterday that he dropped Ithaca on his ballot.

[wesleydad]

Rank      Team             Previous    Points   
1)     Ithaca  (5)            1         57   
2)     Wesley (1)             3         49           
3t)    Hobart                 2         45
3t)    Salisbury              4         45
5)     Delaware Valley        5         38   
6)     Cortland               7         28
7)     Union                  6         19
8)     WPI                   t8         16 
t9)     St. John Fisher       NR         10
t9)     RPI                   t8         10


Dropped Out: Endicott (2) and Alfred (1)

RV)  Utica (5), Brockport (3), Endicott (2), Alfred (1)

Key Game(s): Hobart (3t) v. Union (7) , Cortland (6) v. Utica (RV), Brockport (RV) v. St. John Fisher (t9)

Voters: MANDGSU, RAMS1102, DUTCH BOY, Ufanbill, NYFOOTBALL, Bartman

Not sure if Endicott should drop out if they are tied with the #2 team with 30 seconds left.  Fisher moving in seems justified with their only loss to the #1 by 3.  RPI dropping below Fisher makes sense since RPI lost to the #8 by 3.  I am not sure Wesley is a 2 with their results from the first 3 games.  I could easily have both Hobart and Salisbury ahead of them until they show me they can score points against a good team.  20 against Endicott and 3 in regulation against Del Val doesn't scream #2 in the east to me.

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear is impressed with WPI beating the Pride. Not that the pride are world beaters as this appears to be a down year for them, yet WPI continues to make strides and after defeating RPI IB feels good including them in his poll.

Preseason and Week #1 Ice Bear has Wesley as the top dog...after watching the Del Val game and the Endicott result he has them at #5. That may even prove to be a bit too high for the Wolverines.

[wesleydad]

Ice Bear is impressed with WPI beating the Pride. Not that the pride are world beaters as this appears to be a down year for them, yet WPI continues to make strides and after defeating RPI IB feels good including them in his poll.

Preseason and Week #1 Ice Bear has Wesley as the top dog...after watching the Del Val game and the Endicott result he has them at #5. That may even prove to be a bit too high for the Wolverines.

No issues with that Ice.

[Bombers798891]

I was actually asking the question, didn't mean to come off sarcastic.  Pretty sure Pat Coleman mentioned in the D3 podcast yesterday that he dropped Ithaca on his ballot.

Apologies for misreading that post. I mean, yes as Pat's comment would illustrate, we have seen teams move up after losses and down after wins. IC pulled this trick off in a fun fashion a decade ago.

--After the 2007 regular season, they were in the ARV category. They went to 21st after losing to Mt. Union in the first round of the playoffs, 42-18.

--The 2008 preseason poll had the Bombers 18th, but a 17-16 home win over a Lycoming team that had gone 3-7 the year before in Week 1 dropped them to 21st.

I have no idea how to read a 38-0 win over Anna Maria when RPI completely cleaned out the bench, but also fumbled the ball four times (losing two) and threw an interception. You can look sloppy while also holding back for sportsmanship purposes.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Received a few ballots thus far. Still room for a few more, if anyone is willing to participate. On my ballot, I stuggled a bit between where to put St. John Fisher, WPI, RPI, and Wilkes. I went on showed some love to the MAC.

[UfanBill]

Decided to post this for all to see.

I'm extremely happy with Union's H-U-G-E win over Hobart and they continue to move up. Cortland jumps ahead of Del Val, why because they haven't lost yet and are destroying the opposition. I expect the Red Dragons to win the E8. i know I'm showing no respect to the MAC but have they earned any? Wilkes is 4-0 but they haven't played anybody good or even dominated the bad teams they have beaten.

1)  Ithaca......the best in the East but they have 4 tough games to win
2)  Wesley....very thin ground right now
3)  Salisbury..think they'll be moving up
4)  Union.......things are coming together nicely
5)  Cortland...eventual #1 seed in the East?
6)  Del. Val.....easy road ahead?
7)  Hobart......from here on out I'm a big fan
8)  Brockport..they still have opportunity
9)  WPI..........could go 10-0
10) RPI..........can't forget them just yet 

[Bombers798891]

Decided to post this for all to see.

I'm extremely happy with Union's H-U-G-E win over Hobart and they continue to move up. Cortland jumps ahead of Del Val, why because they haven't lost yet and are destroying the opposition. I expect the Red Dragons to win the E8. i know I'm showing no respect to the MAC but have they earned any? Wilkes is 4-0 but they haven't played anybody good or even dominated the bad teams they have beaten.

1)  Ithaca......the best in the East but they have 4 tough games to win
2)  Wesley....very thin ground right now
3)  Salisbury..think they'll be moving up
4)  Union.......things are coming together nicely
5)  Cortland...eventual #1 seed in the East?
6)  Del. Val.....easy road ahead?
7)  Hobart......from here on out I'm a big fan
8)  Brockport..they still have opportunity
9)  WPI..........could go 10-0
10) RPI..........can't forget them just yet

This is a pretty good list. I'm not sure what to make of RPI. They've played four of their five games at home, and have three wins over winless teams.

Union's going to be undefeated heading to Ithaca, while the Bombers figure to be, at worst, 6-1. That's a marquee matchup brewing if the Bombers can get by Hobart. I think Cortland will either be the 1 or 2 seed in the East by the time Cortaca rolls around, depending on how IC does in their Union/RPI/Hobart run.

I think the descriptor on Brockport is perfect. For all their offensive struggles, they've got an excellent defense, and they'll have their shot at Cortland.

[MRMIKESMITH]

These aren't my rankings, but looking at the East Region today, I'd have Wesley as #1 Seed because their results against conference leaders in both Endicott and Delaware Valley, Ithaca at #2, Union #3, Hobart #4, Salisbury #5, WPI #6, Delaware Valley #7, Brockport #8, Alfred #9, Endicott #10

Best Win(s) against teams above .500:
Ithaca - SJF (3-2), Alfred (4-1)
Union - Hobart (4-1)
Hobart - Brockport (4-1)
Wesley - Delaware Valley (4-1), Endicott (4-1)
Salisbury - UW-O (3-1)
Brockport - SJF (3-2)
WPI - RPI (4-1)
Delaware Valley - Stevenson (3-2)
Wilkes - None
Alfred - None
RPI - None
WNE - None
Endicott - None
MassMaritime - None
WestConn - None

[Bartman]

Decided to post this for all to see.

I'm extremely happy with Union's H-U-G-E win over Hobart and they continue to move up. Cortland jumps ahead of Del Val, why because they haven't lost yet and are destroying the opposition. I expect the Red Dragons to win the E8. i know I'm showing no respect to the MAC but have they earned any? Wilkes is 4-0 but they haven't played anybody good or even dominated the bad teams they have beaten.

1)  Ithaca......the best in the East but they have 4 tough games to win.....AGREE
2)  Wesley....very thin ground right now...if you can call a 5-0 year a down year. Not surprised by barely beating Rowan, the best 0-5 team in the country
3)  Salisbury..think they'll be moving up... I actually thought MSU would beat them this week, almost 27-24
4)  Union.......things are coming together nicely....Best team Hobart faced, very strong,  Union is back, so no more complaining about old lousy years
5)  Cortland...eventual #1 seed in the East? Could still be #1 by end of year, but Brockport and Alfred may disagree
6)  Del. Val.....easy road ahead? Not overly impressed with the MAC this year
7)  Hobart......from here on out I'm a big fan...we need all the fans we can get, unfortunately, I cannot return the favor
8)  Brockport..they still have opportunity..Hobart got them on the right day, I think they will beat Cortland
9)  WPI..........could go 10-0, underrated? depends on RPI success and strong finish
10) RPI..........can't forget them just yet Still defending LL champs

By the way, there is no way Union should not be in the top 25 D3.com poll after the 16 point win over Hobart , at least #22.......while Wesley and Salisbury may actually be overrated after their squeaky wins over Rowan and MSU ...unless the NJAC is a true power conference....oh,  but Hobart beat Rowan and MSU as well ....Union should really get more love IMO

[MRMIKESMITH]

Decided to post this for all to see.

I'm extremely happy with Union's H-U-G-E win over Hobart and they continue to move up. Cortland jumps ahead of Del Val, why because they haven't lost yet and are destroying the opposition. I expect the Red Dragons to win the E8. i know I'm showing no respect to the MAC but have they earned any? Wilkes is 4-0 but they haven't played anybody good or even dominated the bad teams they have beaten.

1)  Ithaca......the best in the East but they have 4 tough games to win.....AGREE
2)  Wesley....very thin ground right now...if you can call a 5-0 year a down year. Not surprised by barely beating Rowan, the best 0-5 team in the country
3)  Salisbury..think they'll be moving up... I actually thought MSU would beat them this week, almost 27-24
4)  Union.......things are coming together nicely....Best team Hobart faced, very strong,  Union is back, so no more complaining about old lousy years
5)  Cortland...eventual #1 seed in the East? Could still be #1 by end of year, but Brockport and Alfred may disagree
6)  Del. Val.....easy road ahead? Not overly impressed with the MAC this year
7)  Hobart......from here on out I'm a big fan...we need all the fans we can get, unfortunately, I cannot return the favor
8)  Brockport..they still have opportunity..Hobart got them on the right day, I think they will beat Cortland
9)  WPI..........could go 10-0, underrated? depends on RPI success and strong finish
10) RPI..........can't forget them just yet Still defending LL champs

By the way, there is no way Union should not be in the top 25 D3.com poll after the 16 point win over Hobart , at least #22.......while Wesley and Salisbury may actually be overrated after their squeaky wins over Rowan and MSU ...unless the NJAC is a true power conference....oh,  but Hobart beat Rowan and MSU as well ....Union should really get more love IMO

I have no problem with your assessment. I had a chance to watch the Montclair vs. Hobart game and the Salisbury vs. Montclair game. I'd say that although Salisbury squeaked by, I think overall Salisbury was the better team. I think Montclair did a much improved job not turning the ball over, against Salisbury than it did against Hobart, which is why I shot Union up on my ballot above said teams. However, playing the comparative scoring, I'd could say that WPI dominated Springfield much more than Union did and WPI should be higher. Sometimes playing familiar foes are different than playing new opponents. Another example would be UW-W v. C-M and that being a close match, while C-M was just thrashed by St. Thomas. UW-W beat UW-EC, which beat St. Thomas. St. Thomas is familiar with C-M and that showed this past weekend. I think the same thing holds true with Salisbury and Wesley games against Montclair and Rowan, respectively. Again, with the Common opponent H2H results, I have no problem with it being Union>Hobart>Wesley>Salisbury or some other combination thereof with Union being atop.

[Bartman]

Decided to post this for all to see.

I'm extremely happy with Union's H-U-G-E win over Hobart and they continue to move up. Cortland jumps ahead of Del Val, why because they haven't lost yet and are destroying the opposition. I expect the Red Dragons to win the E8. i know I'm showing no respect to the MAC but have they earned any? Wilkes is 4-0 but they haven't played anybody good or even dominated the bad teams they have beaten.

1)  Ithaca......the best in the East but they have 4 tough games to win.....AGREE
2)  Wesley....very thin ground right now...if you can call a 5-0 year a down year. Not surprised by barely beating Rowan, the best 0-5 team in the country
3)  Salisbury..think they'll be moving up... I actually thought MSU would beat them this week, almost 27-24
4)  Union.......things are coming together nicely....Best team Hobart faced, very strong,  Union is back, so no more complaining about old lousy years
5)  Cortland...eventual #1 seed in the East? Could still be #1 by end of year, but Brockport and Alfred may disagree
6)  Del. Val.....easy road ahead? Not overly impressed with the MAC this year
7)  Hobart......from here on out I'm a big fan...we need all the fans we can get, unfortunately, I cannot return the favor
8)  Brockport..they still have opportunity..Hobart got them on the right day, I think they will beat Cortland
9)  WPI..........could go 10-0, underrated? depends on RPI success and strong finish
10) RPI..........can't forget them just yet Still defending LL champs

By the way, there is no way Union should not be in the top 25 D3.com poll after the 16 point win over Hobart , at least #22.......while Wesley and Salisbury may actually be overrated after their squeaky wins over Rowan and MSU ...unless the NJAC is a true power conference....oh,  but Hobart beat Rowan and MSU as well ....Union should really get more love IMO

I have no problem with your assessment. I had a chance to watch the Montclair vs. Hobart game and the Salisbury vs. Montclair game. I'd say that although Salisbury squeaked by, I think overall Salisbury was the better team. I think Montclair did a much improved job not turning the ball over, against Salisbury than it did against Hobart, which is why I shot Union up on my ballot above said teams. However, playing the comparative scoring, I'd could say that WPI dominated Springfield much more than Union did and WPI should be higher. Sometimes playing familiar foes are different than playing new opponents. Another example would be UW-W v. C-M and that being a close match, while C-M was just thrashed by St. Thomas. UW-W beat UW-EC, which beat St. Thomas. St. Thomas is familiar with C-M and that showed this past weekend. I think the same thing holds true with Salisbury and Wesley games against Montclair and Rowan, respectively. Again, with the Common opponent H2H results, I have no problem with it being Union>Hobart>Wesley>Salisbury or some other combination thereof with Union being atop.

MANDGSU,
      Thanks for your well reasoned comments....I am still a bit off kilter after the Union cannon kept firing into my ear. +k for keeping the ERFP poll moving along this year.

[Ice Bear]

Decided to post this for all to see.

I'm extremely happy with Union's H-U-G-E win over Hobart and they continue to move up. Cortland jumps ahead of Del Val, why because they haven't lost yet and are destroying the opposition. I expect the Red Dragons to win the E8. i know I'm showing no respect to the MAC but have they earned any? Wilkes is 4-0 but they haven't played anybody good or even dominated the bad teams they have beaten.

1)  Ithaca......the best in the East but they have 4 tough games to win.....AGREE
2)  Wesley....very thin ground right now...if you can call a 5-0 year a down year. Not surprised by barely beating Rowan, the best 0-5 team in the country
3)  Salisbury..think they'll be moving up... I actually thought MSU would beat them this week, almost 27-24
4)  Union.......things are coming together nicely....Best team Hobart faced, very strong,  Union is back, so no more complaining about old lousy years
5)  Cortland...eventual #1 seed in the East? Could still be #1 by end of year, but Brockport and Alfred may disagree
6)  Del. Val.....easy road ahead? Not overly impressed with the MAC this year
7)  Hobart......from here on out I'm a big fan...we need all the fans we can get, unfortunately, I cannot return the favor
8)  Brockport..they still have opportunity..Hobart got them on the right day, I think they will beat Cortland
9)  WPI..........could go 10-0, underrated? depends on RPI success and strong finish
10) RPI..........can't forget them just yet Still defending LL champs

By the way, there is no way Union should not be in the top 25 D3.com poll after the 16 point win over Hobart , at least #22.......while Wesley and Salisbury may actually be overrated after their squeaky wins over Rowan and MSU ...unless the NJAC is a true power conference....oh,  but Hobart beat Rowan and MSU as well ....Union should really get more love IMO

Ice Bear says +k to manBart for the positive vides towards the Dutch. Ice meant to stop over and meet you at half. He went into the rink and planned to stop over to the Bart area after and totally forgot until after the game. Ufan mentioned that he was going to meet you and Ice Bear wanted to stop over as well.

Tons of respect to Bart. They are a tough, hard hitting football team whose season is far from over. They have some very impressive wins already and will get another this coming weekend. The LL is going to be a battle and it won't be over anytime soon. Ice always has the utmost respect for Bart and will be rooting for them big time in the coming weeks. Ice thinks if they can get the QB play a bit more consistent (as Ice feels both QBs are talented) and the run game going that D will continue to win games for the Pumpkins.

As for Ice's beloved Dutch we shall see. They certainly impressed Ice by exceeding his expectations on Saturday. Keeping that toughness, focus, and drive will be a challenge.

[Bartman]

ICE , Thanks for picking Bartman up....got to the game late and missed the 14-0 start , ran out of Bailey  to see an ENT to try to get the cannon ringing out of my ears.....still putting drops in .....I thought about going to the Hockey game to see one of my favorites, The Terriers , beat up on the Dutchmen(which they did) ........Bartman will be back in two years with a team that will be filled with future NFL players and we should all have a  friendly tailgate  

[UfanBill]

ICE , Thanks for picking Bartman up....got to the game late and missed the 14-0 start , ran out of Bailey  to see an ENT to try to get the cannon ringing out of my ears....still putting drops in .....I thought about going to the Hockey game to see one of my favorites, The Terriers , beat up on the Dutchmen(which they did) ........Bartman will be back in two years with a team that will be filled with future NFL players and we should all have a  friendly tailgate

Wait, wait...Bartman if you missed the first two Union scores you must have Superman hearing for those blessed cannon blasts to penetrate your defenses. ....I inquired about locating you at halftime and again in tailgate row following the game. Many Statesmen brethren knew of your wisdom but did not know of your whereabouts. I did attend said hockey game where IB dad and I scouted the 2023 national champion skating Union Garnet. Sorry we didn't meet up. It shall happen....and oh yeah, +k