East Region Fan Poll

[hazzben]

I can see ranking Salisbury No.1 , and  the WIAC win may be the tie breaker over Union. What I don't see is the D3.com poll that ranks Wesley and Delaware Valley over an undefeated Union after ranking Ithaca No.8 the week before.....of course the reason is you never move from no.20 to the top 10. Having watched Wesley and DelVal online, I think they are very good teams, but I don't think they could have done what Union did on Saturday against Ithaca. In any case, we have some great teams in the East this year, I just think the LL is having a special year. If Ithaca wins out, I would think they would be a PoolC , but based on the National poll voters opinions, my judgement may be too LL biased and the spot will go to Wesley. The Regional rankings will be interesting this week.

In the National poll, how can Johns Hopkins possibly be still receiving votes?  They have 3 losses and tied with Dickinson in their league!

Recency bias?? I'm guessing some pollsters are probably used to JHU being a Top 25 team and maybe get sloppy at the tail end of their ballot.

[Oline89]

I can see ranking Salisbury No.1 , and  the WIAC win may be the tie breaker over Union. What I don't see is the D3.com poll that ranks Wesley and Delaware Valley over an undefeated Union after ranking Ithaca No.8 the week before.....of course the reason is you never move from no.20 to the top 10. Having watched Wesley and DelVal online, I think they are very good teams, but I don't think they could have done what Union did on Saturday against Ithaca. In any case, we have some great teams in the East this year, I just think the LL is having a special year. If Ithaca wins out, I would think they would be a PoolC , but based on the National poll voters opinions, my judgement may be too LL biased and the spot will go to Wesley. The Regional rankings will be interesting this week.

In the National poll, how can Johns Hopkins possibly be still receiving votes?  They have 3 losses and tied with Dickinson in their league!

Recency bias?? I'm guessing some pollsters are probably used to JHU being a Top 25 team and maybe get sloppy at the tail end of their ballot.

Recency bias is  a great term, and one I wish didn't exist....explains a lot about why certain historical teams consistently show up in the top 25, even though there are some "newer" teams that deserve it.

[UfanBill]

ERFP wk.9

1)   Salisbury....still ahead of the rest, should go 10-0 
2)   Union.........2nd best and closing, still have 2 tough games that don't matter much
3)   Ithaca........Joe G is the real deal but they needed more
4)   Del. Val......even though they lost to #6 I thought they were the better team
5)   Brockport..got to give them credit, back in the dance?
6)   Wesley......too many close wins to be higher
7)   Cortland....had it until they didn't, Cortaca tickets anyone?
8)   WNE.........huge win for a very solid program
9)   Hobart......stay in the post season picture
10) Stevenson..proving to be the real MAC #2

As much as I'd love this to be the actual ranking, I just don't see Wesley being behind a Del Valley team they beat on the road. Close calls and all. I also can't see IC at three

Hobart really holds the key to a 2-bid LL. The Statesmen pretty much have to be in the rankings to give IC that second win. (And that's assuming Cortland stays put if they lose to IC. Suddenly, that doesn't look so set in stone either)

This is the East Region Fan Poll board and this is my Week#9 ERFP ranking. It is not meant to be an attempt at a Regional Ranking.
You want that? Here it is...
* Whoops...left out Wesley first attempt
* Upon another look I moved Framingham above MIT because their SOS is much higher

1)  Salisbury
2)  Union
3)  Wesley
4)  Del Val
5)  Brockport
6)  Ithaca
7)  WNE
8)  Cortland
9)   MASCAC (Framingham/Bridgewater)
10) NEWMAC (MIT/WPI/Spr)
11) SUNY Maritime

See the difference...Should have left it at 10 but had to fit every conference in

[Nescacman]

Congratulations to former NESCAC member Union on winning the Liberty League title and getting the auto-bid into the NCAA D3 Football Tourney...

Wish we could see Middlebury and possibly, Wesleyan, compete against the big boys, but our illustrious NESCAC Presidents aren't quite ready for that...

Maybe someday....

[Ice Bear]

I can see ranking Salisbury No.1 , and  the WIAC win may be the tie breaker over Union. What I don't see is the D3.com poll that ranks Wesley and Delaware Valley over an undefeated Union after ranking Ithaca No.8 the week before.....of course the reason is you never move from no.20 to the top 10. Having watched Wesley and DelVal online, I think they are very good teams, but I don't think they could have done what Union did on Saturday against Ithaca. In any case, we have some great teams in the East this year, I just think the LL is having a special year. If Ithaca wins out, I would think they would be a PoolC , but based on the National poll voters opinions, my judgement may be too LL biased and the spot will go to Wesley. The Regional rankings will be interesting this week.

In the National poll, how can Johns Hopkins possibly be still receiving votes?  They have 3 losses and tied with Dickinson in their league!

Recency bias?? I'm guessing some pollsters are probably used to JHU being a Top 25 team and maybe get sloppy at the tail end of their ballot.

Recency bias is  a great term, and one I wish didn't exist....explains a lot about why certain historical teams consistently show up in the top 25, even though there are some "newer" teams that deserve it.

Ice Bear says this is another reason why he refers to and puts more stock in the ERFP (and now other FP's since Ice is becoming more interested about the national picture) than the top 25. Ice says this is no shot at the top 25 voters as that is certainly not an easy job. There are a lot of ****ing teams to follow, games to watch, stats to review, and time to take to do it as thoroughly as it could be done. Ice says the RFP's are made up from fans who follow their regions very closely and sometimes exclusively on a week to week basis. Also many of us fans have connections to many of these teams in certain ways where we get inside scoops and info in relation to the specifics teams, leagues, and regions.

Ice says not to say that Ice hasn't had a hissy fit on the top 25 poll before. It's just at this point he realizes what it takes to do it and respects that more.

[Ice Bear]

Congratulations to former NESCAC member Union on winning the Liberty League title and getting the auto-bid into the NCAA D3 Football Tourney...

Wish we could see Middlebury and possibly, Wesleyan, compete against the big boys, but our illustrious NESCAC Presidents aren't quite ready for that...

Maybe someday....

Thanks NESCAC man! It certainly has been a special season so far for the league. There is some really good football being played in the league this year. +k

[UfanBill]

Congratulations to former NESCAC member Union on winning the Liberty League title and getting the auto-bid into the NCAA D3 Football Tourney...

Wish we could see Middlebury and possibly, Wesleyan, compete against the big boys, but our illustrious NESCAC Presidents aren't quite ready for that...

Maybe someday....

Thank you Nescacman...I miss playing historic rivals like Williams, Hamilton and Middlebury. I grew up near Clinton and loved going to Williamstown and Middlebury to games.  I agree...Maybe someday 

[Ice Bear]

Ica says how the **** did he just get smited...is the Karma sniper back amongst us?

[Jonny Utah]

Ica says how the **** did he just get smited...is the Karma sniper back amongst us?

I got your back IB

[UfanBill]

Ica says how the **** did he just get smited...is the Karma sniper back amongst us?

He's been following me for weeks...but then I deserve it. I'm just happy he reads my stuff. 

[MRMIKESMITH]

Rank      Team             Previous    Points   
t1)     Union  (3)            3         57 
t1)     Salisbury (3)         2         57
3)     Ithaca                1         43
4)     Brockport             6         42
t5)     Delaware Valley       5         33
t5)     Wesley                7         33
7)     Cortland              4         26
8)     Hobart                8         19
9)     WNE                   ORV       14 
10)     Stevenson             ORV       4


Dropped Out: WPI & Endicott

RV) Utica (2), Middlebury (1), Wilkes (1)

Key Game(s):
Utica (RV) v. Union (#t1) , Stevenson (#10) vs. Wilkes (RV), Framingham State (NR) vs. Bridgewater State (NR)

Voters: MANDGSU, RAMS1102, DUTCH BOY, Ufanbill, Oline89, Bartman

[Bartman]

I like the results of this poll but it is contrary to the D3.com and the AFCA polls. The basic difference is where do you rank Del Val(MAC) and Wesley(NJAC) vs Union(LL) and Ithaca(LL) and to some extent Brockport(E8)? There is no right or wrong here because there are no head to head interleague games between these Eastern Region teams except for the Wesley win over DelVal. There are some games amongst the leagues and Hobart is a bit of a lab rat. Hobart beat Brockport 33-7(this seems to be discounted to some extent as an early season event) and Hobart beat a common NJAC opponent Montclair St. 17-3  but lost to Ithaca (34-0) and Union (23-7). To me, based on these results I see the LL as better than the E8 and comparable to the NJAC . I also see the Montclair St win by Hobart( Wesley beat MSU in OT) as the only data to make me see our ERFP as  a better judgement of the rankings, a single data point that can easily be critiqued . I hope the NCAA gives the East a bracket that will entertain us and showcase these teams against one another .

[Ithaca798891]

One thing I try to remember is that teams aren't static.

This doesn't dismiss Hobart because of win over Brockport in Week 1. It simply makes me believe that Brockport has improved as the season has gone on, and it probably playing better now than they were in Week 1 (and Week 2, honestly). I don't necessarily play the "Who would win if they played today?" game, because Hobart doesn't need to beat them twice. But I do take note of a team's improvements (or their deterioration) as the season goes on.

[Jonny Utah]

One thing I try to remember is that teams aren't static.

This doesn't dismiss Hobart because of win over Brockport in Week 1. It simply makes me believe that Brockport has improved as the season has gone on, and it probably playing better now than they were in Week 1 (and Week 2, honestly). I don't necessarily play the "Who would win if they played today?" game, because Hobart doesn't need to beat them twice. But I do take note of a team's improvements (or their deterioration) as the season goes on.

I also think Hobart might need to change their offense or playcalling up?  Are they too predictable?  I noticed in the Ithaca game they tried 2 or 3 screens that were your standard RB screen that didn't seem that hard to pick up.  Only saying this because maybe the Brockport game everything is new and then after that they didn't mix it up enough.

[Oline89]

One thing I try to remember is that teams aren't static.

This doesn't dismiss Hobart because of win over Brockport in Week 1. It simply makes me believe that Brockport has improved as the season has gone on, and it probably playing better now than they were in Week 1 (and Week 2, honestly). I don't necessarily play the "Who would win if they played today?" game, because Hobart doesn't need to beat them twice. But I do take note of a team's improvements (or their deterioration) as the season goes on.

I also think Hobart might need to change their offense or playcalling up?  Are they too predictable?  I noticed in the Ithaca game they tried 2 or 3 screens that were your standard RB screen that didn't seem that hard to pick up.  Only saying this because maybe the Brockport game everything is new and then after that they didn't mix it up enough.

Hobart's offense has been an issue all year.  The reason they crushed B Port was the defense.  Starting QB was knocked out in the first quarter and the backup (now the starter) runs a completely different offense (RPO vs drop back passer) and was not ready game 1.  The Hobart D gave the offense field position all game.  IMO the difference in Bport is that they coaching staff changed the offensive approach to match their QB (plus the senior QB is back now, allows for a new wrinkle).