East Region Fan Poll

[MRMIKESMITH]

One thing I try to remember is that teams aren't static.

This doesn't dismiss Hobart because of win over Brockport in Week 1. It simply makes me believe that Brockport has improved as the season has gone on, and it probably playing better now than they were in Week 1 (and Week 2, honestly). I don't necessarily play the "Who would win if they played today?" game, because Hobart doesn't need to beat them twice. But I do take note of a team's improvements (or their deterioration) as the season goes on.

I also think Hobart might need to change their offense or playcalling up?  Are they too predictable?  I noticed in the Ithaca game they tried 2 or 3 screens that were your standard RB screen that didn't seem that hard to pick up.  Only saying this because maybe the Brockport game everything is new and then after that they didn't mix it up enough.

Hobart's offense has been an issue all year.  The reason they crushed B Port was the defense.  Starting QB was knocked out in the first quarter and the backup (now the starter) runs a completely different offense (RPO vs drop back passer) and was not ready game 1.  The Hobart D gave the offense field position all game.  IMO the difference in Bport is that they coaching staff changed the offensive approach to match their QB (plus the senior QB is back now, allows for a new wrinkle).

Also, as mentioned in the ITH interview with Brockport HC, they only have 4 Seniors and majority of the starters are Sophomores, which may explain the early season woes.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Regional Rankings Out:


https://d3football.com/playoffs/2019/first-regional-ranking
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

[wesleydad]

I like the results of this poll but it is contrary to the D3.com and the AFCA polls. The basic difference is where do you rank Del Val(MAC) and Wesley(NJAC) vs Union(LL) and Ithaca(LL) and to some extent Brockport(E8)? There is no right or wrong here because there are no head to head interleague games between these Eastern Region teams except for the Wesley win over DelVal. There are some games amongst the leagues and Hobart is a bit of a lab rat. Hobart beat Brockport 33-7(this seems to be discounted to some extent as an early season event) and Hobart beat a common NJAC opponent Montclair St. 17-3  but lost to Ithaca (34-0) and Union (23-7). To me, based on these results I see the LL as better than the E8 and comparable to the NJAC . I also see the Montclair St win by Hobart( Wesley beat MSU in OT) as the only data to make me see our ERFP as  a better judgement of the rankings, a single data point that can easily be critiqued . I hope the NCAA gives the East a bracket that will entertain us and showcase these teams against one another .

I think this poll is more reflective of actual results.  Remember in the national poll Union is coming from nowhere to their present position, that is a big jump and some have trouble jumping them over teams that have been in the poll from day 1.  I know Wesley won the h2h with Del Val but in no way do I think Wesley is better based on what I have seen since that game.  I like the movement up and down the voters are doing.  Trying to place the teams as to where they are now.

[Ice Bear]

Regional Rankings Out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Ice says Wilkes getting in there at #10.

[wesleydad]

Regional Rankings Out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Ice says Wilkes getting in there at #10.

Very interesting bottom, and the fact that they have Wesley at 2.  If wilkes loses to stevenson this week they drop out and the loser of the ithaca/cortland game may drop out.  The bottom teams will be very important for the poll C candidates.  Wesley is 1-1 and Endicott is not likely to jump back in.  if the ithaca cortland loser drops out the winner would only be 0-1 against RR teams.  Will Hobart jump in to make Ithaca 1-1.  going to be fun watching this play out over the next 2 weeks.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Regional Rankings Out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Ice says Wilkes getting in there at #10.

Very interesting bottom, and the fact that they have Wesley at 2.  If wilkes loses to stevenson this week they drop out and the loser of the ithaca/cortland game may drop out.  The bottom teams will be very important for the poll C candidates.  Wesley is 1-1 and Endicott is not likely to jump back in.  if the ithaca cortland loser drops out the winner would only be 0-1 against RR teams.  Will Hobart jump in to make Ithaca 1-1.  going to be fun watching this play out over the next 2 weeks.

What I believe is best for the Region is to have Stevenson beat Wilkes giving both teams two losses, Ithaca beat Cortland, thus dropping Cortland out or at best at very bottom, WPI taking another loss, eliminating them from final rankings, that would make room for 2 loss teams such as Hobart, they'd have Common opponent result against Framingham State and RR win over Brockport, essentially leaving them at 1-2. Then it would be Framingham State at "8-2" (0-1) vs. Stevenson "8-2" (0-2), that'd make Brockport "9-1" (1-1) jump Delaware Valley "9-1" (0-1). If Hobart enters ranking, Union would be "10-0" (2-0) jumping Salisbury for #1 considering UW-O would most likely not make it into the final rankings with there possible matchup with UW-W. I think Ithaca has the better chance to get At-Large spot. We would also need to root for Susquehanna to get At-Large spot as well as they would add another team regionally that teams could play as oppose to a West/Really South region team that would add flight, thus placing Mount in this bracket to save cost.

[Ithaca798891]

Regional Rankings Out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Ice says Wilkes getting in there at #10.

Very interesting bottom, and the fact that they have Wesley at 2.  If wilkes loses to stevenson this week they drop out and the loser of the ithaca/cortland game may drop out.  The bottom teams will be very important for the poll C candidates.  Wesley is 1-1 and Endicott is not likely to jump back in.  if the ithaca cortland loser drops out the winner would only be 0-1 against RR teams.  Will Hobart jump in to make Ithaca 1-1.  going to be fun watching this play out over the next 2 weeks.

Ithaca really needs Hobart getting RR. Cortland losing to Port not only knocked down the Red Dragons, it meant Hobart would be behind Port as well.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Regional Rankings Out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Ice says Wilkes getting in there at #10.

Very interesting bottom, and the fact that they have Wesley at 2.  If wilkes loses to stevenson this week they drop out and the loser of the ithaca/cortland game may drop out.  The bottom teams will be very important for the poll C candidates.  Wesley is 1-1 and Endicott is not likely to jump back in.  if the ithaca cortland loser drops out the winner would only be 0-1 against RR teams.  Will Hobart jump in to make Ithaca 1-1.  going to be fun watching this play out over the next 2 weeks.

Ithaca really needs Hobart getting RR. Cortland losing to Port not only knocked down the Red Dragons, it meant Hobart would be behind Port as well.

WPI and Wilkes at the bottom definitely leaves room for more subjectivity as the committee started out with winning percentage and started working from there. If things were to stay consistent. Ithaca wouldn't have a RR win to hang its hat on. If both Wilkes and WPI fall out, you can see both Cortland and Hobart at the bottom giving Ithaca 2-1 RR wins a SOS and possibly jumping Wesley as 1st in the ER board. I think at the end of the day, that's the best solution for the ER committee to place it's teams to do what's best for region. No way does WPI get an at-large spot with no RR wins and SOS at .457. Not saying that they couldn't make a run like RPI...

[Ithaca798891]

Regional Rankings Out:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Ice says Wilkes getting in there at #10.

Very interesting bottom, and the fact that they have Wesley at 2.  If wilkes loses to stevenson this week they drop out and the loser of the ithaca/cortland game may drop out.  The bottom teams will be very important for the poll C candidates.  Wesley is 1-1 and Endicott is not likely to jump back in.  if the ithaca cortland loser drops out the winner would only be 0-1 against RR teams.  Will Hobart jump in to make Ithaca 1-1.  going to be fun watching this play out over the next 2 weeks.

Ithaca really needs Hobart getting RR. Cortland losing to Port not only knocked down the Red Dragons, it meant Hobart would be behind Port as well.

WPI and Wilkes at the bottom definitely leaves room for more subjectivity as the committee started out with winning percentage and started working from there. If things were to stay consistent. Ithaca wouldn't have a RR win to hang its hat on. If both Wilkes and WPI fall out, you can see both Cortland and Hobart at the bottom giving Ithaca 2-1 RR wins a SOS and possibly jumping Wesley as 1st in the ER board. I think at the end of the day, that's the best solution for the ER committee to place it's teams to do what's best for region. No way does WPI get an at-large spot with no RR wins and SOS at .457. Not saying that they couldn't make a run like RPI...

The other ideal scenario is that Hobart is like, 11 in the committee's mind, which ideally elevates that Statesmen even if Cortland were to drop out, rather than WPI and Wilkes

[wally_wabash]

I'm having a difficult time believing that WPI and Wilkes are going to survive in these rankings next week.  I had those two slotted not just out of the rankings, but behind Endicott, the Fram, and Alfred.   I know there can be a pretty broad interpretation of SOS, but Wilkes and WPI are 100 or more points in deficit to 2 loss teams that were not ranked today and that difference is significant. 

[Bartman]

So if Wesley and DelVal , one loss teams, are ranked above an undefeated Union probably based on SOS, how can Hobart , with one more loss than Wilkes and WPI but ranked 6th in the nation for SOS and a win over a ranked team not be ranked at all?....the logic is inconsistent...and will hurt Union and Ithaca if Hobart is not ranked ......RR judgements are very flawed IMO

[Oline89]

I'm having a difficult time believing that WPI and Wilkes are going to survive in these rankings next week.  I had those two slotted not just out of the rankings, but behind Endicott, the Fram, and Alfred.   I know there can be a pretty broad interpretation of SOS, but Wilkes and WPI are 100 or more points in deficit to 2 loss teams that were not ranked today and that difference is significant.

So where do you think Hobart lands next week, with Wilkes win or loss at Stevenson?

[MRMIKESMITH]

I'm having a difficult time believing that WPI and Wilkes are going to survive in these rankings next week.  I had those two slotted not just out of the rankings, but behind Endicott, the Fram, and Alfred.   I know there can be a pretty broad interpretation of SOS, but Wilkes and WPI are 100 or more points in deficit to 2 loss teams that were not ranked today and that difference is significant.

So where do you think Hobart lands next week, with Wilkes win or loss at Stevenson?

As long as Wilkes win, they'd be in the rankings. Unfortunately there OOC schedule opponents are currently 4-12.

[Bartman]

Small chance that Wilkes beats Stevenson, but not impossible

[wally_wabash]

So if Wesley and DelVal , one loss teams, are ranked above an undefeated Union probably based on SOS, how can Hobart , with one more loss than Wilkes and WPI but ranked 6th in the nation for SOS and a win over a ranked team not be ranked at all?....the logic is inconsistent...and will hurt Union and Ithaca if Hobart is not ranked ......RR judgements are very flawed IMO

This tracks.  I don't understand why Union wouldn't have been #2 today if RROs and SOS were minor parts in today's rankings.  I do think that there is room and justification for Union to move ahead of DelVal and Wesley when we get more data (SOS will fluctuate and the gap between UC and Wesley will shrink) and when the committees put RRO results into their own data sets. 

I'm having a difficult time believing that WPI and Wilkes are going to survive in these rankings next week.  I had those two slotted not just out of the rankings, but behind Endicott, the Fram, and Alfred.   I know there can be a pretty broad interpretation of SOS, but Wilkes and WPI are 100 or more points in deficit to 2 loss teams that were not ranked today and that difference is significant.

So where do you think Hobart lands next week, with Wilkes win or loss at Stevenson?

Somewhere in the 8-10 range.  I don't think Hobart can rise above that, but I certainly think Hobart's primary criteria, taken as a whole, are in the top 10 of the region. 

Oddly, the choice to not rank Hobart only damages the East region's chances to nab a second at-large bid.  Ranking WPI is useful to nobody.  Ranking Wilkes is useful only to DelVal, but DelVal has already qualified and Wilkes is not a reasonable Pool C candidate.  Ranking Hobart boosts the selection and seeding profiles of Union, Ithaca, and Brockport.  It only makes sense to have Hobart present- and there doesn't even have to be fuzzy logic involved to do it.  They certainly qualify.