East Region Fan Poll

Started by pg04, July 05, 2007, 09:44:54 PM

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kate

First, huge congratulations to the Delaware Valley University Aggies for winning the MAC's automatic berth!   Yes, Bartman, the MAC may have had an off-year, but Del Val is GOOD - Widener was determined (they're not the Pride for nothin ya know)!!!   Can not wait to see who comes to Doylestown and Good Luck Aggies!!!

MRMIKESMITH

I think the committee thought process doesn't change to much as both MIT and WPI won and that keeps Ithaca from entering the bracket due to H2H results against RPI. Thus not giving Union that 2 RRO win, that would have moved them into #1 or #2. If the committee goes on and places Ithaca at best #10, then IMHO, you would have no choice but to put Union at a bear minimum #2. I could be totally wrong and for the final rankings, as the committee may be more subjective. With that, see my projected East Region Rankings:

1. Salisbury (#7) (9-0) (2-0) (.482) - Clinched Pool A
2. Wesley  (#12) (9-1)(2-1) (.535) - Pool C
3. Delaware Valley (#13) (9-1)(1-1) (.520) - Clinched Pool A
4. Union (#14) (10-0)(1-0) (.508) - Clinched Pool A
5. Western New England (NR) (9-0)(1-0) (.491) - Clinched Pool A
6. Stevenson (ORV) (8-2) (0-2) (.532) - CC/MAC Bowl
7. Endicott (8-2) (0-2)(.517) - NE Bowl
8. MIT (7-2) (1-0) (.514) - Clinched Pool A
9. Hobart (NR) (8-2)(0-1) (.564)
10. WPI  (NR) (9-1) (0-1)(.482) - NE Bowl
11. Ithaca (ORV) (8-2)(0-1) (.538) - ECAC
12. Wilkes (8-2)(0-2) (.466) - CC/MAC/ECAC
13. Brockport (#22) (8-2)(0-1) (.533) - Clinched Pool A
14. Framingham State (8-2)(0-1)(.544) - Clinched Pool A
15. Cortland (ORV) (8-2)(0-0) (.466) - NY Bowl

jmcozenlaw

Quote from: Bartman on November 16, 2019, 05:07:33 PM
Union kicks ass, looks like the best team in the East to me.

Ithaca beats a solid RedDragon team ...Germinerio looks like Colin Kaepernick as Ithaca should move up poll, but not enough for NCAA

Hobart hopes for the invite to the  NYS MegaBowl

Brockport drops in  my poll based on Morrisville win over BPort today.

Wesley, Salisbury and WPI with lopsided wins

Delaware Valley with a squeaker over Widner...is Del Val that good?

Stevenson blanks Lycoming

Endicott finishes 8-2

Intersting to see MANDGSU projections

Hard to answer the question about DelVal. They had the MAC wrapped up and were stale, coming off of a bye. This game was Widener's Super Bowl, coached by a former DelVal player AND coach, who knows the system like the back of his hand (also coached two years at Mary Hardin Baylor) who brought in a very experienced team. Senior QB. Stud senior WR. Two senior RB's and on and on and on. I'm not sure how many of the East's top teams played a final game grudge match like this one but many, many of these players knew each other quite well. The team with much more to play for played a solid game.

I was already impressed enough at what DelVal did this year with 8 new offensive starters, including the QB and top 3 WR's. I did not have them winning the MAC. In fact, I had them behind Stevenson, Widener and Lycoming based on the number of starters that the other three programs brought back. I have an August post on the MAC board about how the head coach should be canonized if they ran the table yet again this year. They did. He should be. ;)

I don't see them doing much in the playoffs and that's OK. The playoffs are the icing. The cake is a third straight undefeated conference run against primarily similar sized schools.

Machiavelli

There weren't any other true grudge match rivalry games today. Del Val/Widener was definitely the big one. Del Val proved their dominance in the East today. I don't think anyone in the East can touch them...

Jonny Utah

Dude.  Ithaca has over 44 ****ing minutes of TOP today.  If they don't get a pool c based on that alone the whole system is ****ed.

jmcozenlaw

Quote from: Machiavelli on November 16, 2019, 09:31:06 PM
There weren't any other true grudge match rivalry games today. Del Val/Widener was definitely the big one. Del Val proved their dominance in the East today. I don't think anyone in the East can touch them...

Many in the East can touch.................and beat them (your post was too easy to see through...............even for a data wonk like me) ;)

Bartman

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 16, 2019, 09:36:28 PM
Dude.  Ithaca has over 44 ****ing minutes of TOP today.  If they don't get a pool c based on that alone the whole system is ****ed.
Actually , I think IC should be penalized for hogging the ball so much. Just a bunch of TOP pigs.
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MRMIKESMITH

#6997
My Updated Bracket with Wesley, Redlands, Wartburg, NCC, and UW-W as Pool C:

1. Salisbury vs. Framingham State
2. Muhlenberg vs. MIT
4. Wesley vs. Western New England
3. Union vs. Delaware Valley

1. UMHB vs. Redlands
2. Chapman vs. Linfield
3. Berry vs. Huntingdon
4. Central vs. Wabash

1. Mount Union  vs. SUNY-Maritime
2. North Central vs. Hanover
3. UW-Oshkosh vs. Monmouth
4. Bridgewater (Va.) vs Brockport

1. Wheaton (Ill.) vs Martin Luther
2. St. Johns  vs. Aurora
3. UW-Whitewater vs. Case-Western
4. Hope vs. Wartburg

unionpalooza

Taking a purist approach and starting with regional brackets and D3's projected final RR, we have 8 East teams, but two extra West teams and only 7 North and South teams.  If you started with regional brackets and went standard high-low by RR, you'd get something like:

SUNY Maritime at Salisbury (1)
Western NE at Del Val (4)
Framingham St. at Wesley (3)
MIT at Union (2)

Huntingdon at MHB (1)
Berry at Susquehanna (4)
Case Western at Bridgewater (3)
[Wartburg] at Muhlenberg (2)

Wabash at Mt. Union (1)
Aurora at Hope (4)
[Central] at North Central (3)
Hanover at Wheaton (2)

Martin Luther at Chapman (1)
Linfield at St. Johns (4)
[UW Oshkosh] at UW Whitewater (3)
Monmouth at Redlands (2)

So, to avoid the WI inter conference matchup, you switch two six seeds.  Then, you can swap Berry and Case Western to improve travel without sacrificing much bracket integrity.

SUNY Maritime at Salisbury (1)
Western NE at Del Val (4)
Framingham St. at Wesley (3)
MIT at Union (2)

Huntingdon at MHB (1)
Case Western at Susquehanna (4)
Berry at Bridgewater (3)
[Wartburg] at Muhlenberg (2)

Wabash at Mt. Union (1)
Aurora at Hope (4)
[UW Oshkosh] at North Central (3)
Hanover at Wheaton (2)

Martin Luther at Chapman (1)
Linfield at St. Johns (4)
[Central] at UW Whitewater (3)
Monmouth at Redlands (2)

You're still stuck with an ugly Wartburg at Muhlenberg trip, but one of those West teams is going to have to get shipped South.   I suppose you could also Martin Luther and Linfield to eliminate two flights, but it seems lame to me to ask a 5 seed play a 1 seed in the first round for travel alone.

Of course, I could my base assumptions wrong, so who knows.  I wholly understand that the actual bracket will look nothing like this.

ITH radio

Good projection. We will have an interview with Jim Catanzaro directly after the brackets are revealed. Looking forward to it.
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Bartman

That Oshkosh win by Salisbury looks very huge now with the Whitewater loss last night,  I have to keep Union at #2 in the East, fair and square.
"I never graduated from Iowa, but I was only there for two terms - Truman's and Eisenhower's."
Alex Karras
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time."
Max McGee

@d3jason

Quote from: Bartman on November 17, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
That Oshkosh win by Salisbury looks very huge now with the Whitewater loss last night,  I have to keep Union at #2 in the East, fair and square.

Thinking their weak non conference schedule could hold them back. Westfield St and Anna Maria both finish at 2-8.

unionpalooza

Wow.  I award this selection committee no points, and may god have mercy on their soul.  This is literally a dumpster fire of decisions. 

Redlands finishes as the West two seed and - they get a plane ride to the overall number one?

Chapman is the West 1 and gets ... to go on the road against St. John's in round two?

Undefeated Union is a 4 seed but one-loss WNE is a 2 (Or maybe 3)? Wesley and Del Val are orphaned in the North why?

Though listening to Catanzaro's savvy commentary on the broadcast (he sounded like he was pining for a Mt. Union grad assistant slot), I can see how these guys did not ace the rocket science.

The good news is Union faces a Case Western, then Salisbury, then probably the Mules.  I will take us in all those game. But a number of good times got screwed.

Doid23

Quote from: unionpalooza on November 17, 2019, 05:54:23 PM
Wow.  I award this selection committee no points, and may god have mercy on their soul.  This is literally a dumpster fire of decisions. 

Redlands finishes as the West two seed and - they get a plane ride to the overall number one?

Chapman is the West 1 and gets ... to go on the road against St. John's in round two?

Undefeated Union is a 4 seed but one-loss WNE is a 2 (Or maybe 3)? Wesley and Del Val are orphaned in the North why?

Though listening to Catanzaro's savvy commentary on the broadcast (he sounded like he was pining for a Mt. Union grad assistant slot), I can see how these guys did not ace the rocket science.

The good news is Union faces a Case Western, then Salisbury, then probably the Mules.  I will take us in all those game. But a number of good times got screwed.
Agreed. Union made out OK (despite the ridiculous #4), but good god, did Redlands and Chapman get hosed.

Bartman

#7004
I think that Union is a #3 seed, Salisbury #2 seed, Muhlenberg #1 and WNE is #4 in this bracket. I don't think Muhlenberg is seeded below Salisbury, but I could be wrong based on the order of the other brackets. In any case, this is a great bracket for Union and I am sure they were bumped up in the last RR over Wesley and Delaware Valley, both one loss teams and sent off  to the Mount Union bracket. Union should have no complaints, and I think the committee was pretty fair to the East with the exception of Del Val that probably figured they would have a home game in week #1.
"I never graduated from Iowa, but I was only there for two terms - Truman's and Eisenhower's."
Alex Karras
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time."
Max McGee