East Region Fan Poll

[Oline89]

I feel like this was an addition to prop up Del Val and Wesley. That addition gives them a combined 2 RR wins. With the lack of respect for the other East conferences getting these 2 seeded as high as possible might have been a priority. How they were the next at-large on the board after Wesley with no RR wins and SOS below both Hobart and Ithaca is beyond me.

We'll never know, but i'm pretty sure Hobart and Ithaca would both beat Stevenson and Western New England by more than 3 TD's. But i'm pretty sure both would beat up on Del Val too, so it is what it is.

So off the Mass band wagon again.  All is right with the world.  Seriously, I agree that IC, Hobart and probably RPI would beat Stevenson 10 out of 10 times.  But this list is not based on who would win, but on some other mystical criteria

[MRMIKESMITH]

Not sure what to say about this....

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

Will definitely address on ITH HC segment

Again, this is a criteria ranking system. I think what the committee really put into emphasis was OOC scheduling and they rewarded teams that did that. I think if you had one loss and that was to another team that was included in ranking, that was forgiven and you trended somewhere near them. However, if you have two losses, you are really subject to the criteria and if both those losses weren't to the said teams, then you trended down or out of the rankings. I think Stevenson benefits from playing both Delaware Valley and Bridgewater (S3) and was rewarded for winning the rest of their games and only losing to "ranked" opponents. Regarding Union, they have solid wins over two rank opponents, but I think it goes back to the OOC scheduling. As with my projections, I didn't think the committee process was going to change much as they thought Stevenson had the best chance as an at-large, by losing to both E3 and S3. I think the loss to a non-rank opponent kept Ithaca below them and thus Hobart. Also, Brockport losing this past weekend didn't help as much either.

I'm more surprised that WPI is not within the ranking as they have H2H over Ithaca with RPI. This may been subjective to keep Endicott on the Board to add more credibility to Wesley to get them off the board.

[@d3jason]

Not looking to start a fight and certainly respect the programs at Union, Ithaca and Hobart, etc, but there is an easy way for Union and other LL teams to back up chatter about being ranked behind MAC and NJAC top ones and twos....

Schedule them.

Salisbury and Wesley always need games. Delaware Valley have never been afraid to take tough out of conference games. Stevenson played at Frostburg last year and Bridgewater this year. (Plus, I love going to NY state in September  ) Good Luck to everyone.

[Machiavelli]

Not looking to start a fight and certainly respect the programs at Union, Ithaca and Hobart, etc, but there is an easy way for Union and other LL teams to back up chatter about being ranked behind MAC and NJAC top ones and twos....

Schedule them.

Salisbury and Wesley always need games. Delaware Valley have never been afraid to take tough out of conference games. Stevenson played at Frostburg last year and Bridgewater this year. (Plus, I love going to NY state in September  ) Good Luck to everyone.

I don't think anyone here will argue with you over that. Unfortunately most of us don't have a ton to do with scheduling OOC opponents. But I wouldn't mind seeing a few reaches down to the MAC. Most aren't terribly far all things considered for 1 long(er) trip. Probably closer than St. Lawrence.

[Ice Bear]

Not looking to start a fight and certainly respect the programs at Union, Ithaca and Hobart, etc, but there is an easy way for Union and other LL teams to back up chatter about being ranked behind MAC and NJAC top ones and twos....

Schedule them.

Salisbury and Wesley always need games. Delaware Valley have never been afraid to take tough out of conference games. Stevenson played at Frostburg last year and Bridgewater this year. (Plus, I love going to NY state in September  ) Good Luck to everyone.

Ice Bear says he's down for it. The more inter-league match-ups the better. It really would give all of us some more footing to support our beliefs.

[Bartman]

Not looking to start a fight and certainly respect the programs at Union, Ithaca and Hobart, etc, but there is an easy way for Union and other LL teams to back up chatter about being ranked behind MAC and NJAC top ones and twos....

Schedule them.

Salisbury and Wesley always need games. Delaware Valley have never been afraid to take tough out of conference games. Stevenson played at Frostburg last year and Bridgewater this year. (Plus, I love going to NY state in September  ) Good Luck to everyone.

Well Hobart scheduled MSU and Rowan, and won both games. You can ask the Red Hawks how Hobart compared to Salisbury and Wesley. Not sure what our schedule is the next few years, but the NJAC teams were very physical . The top 3 LL league teams did not lose any OOC games. Union may have had a light OOC schedule, although it seems to have prepared them well, while Hobart with one of the top SOS schedules lost to Union and Ithaca. Not conclusive evidence, but having watched the games that common opponent ,MSU ,played against Salisbury and Wesley, I think Hobart would have competed very well, and probably Union and Ithaca would have been as successful. We shall see how Union competes in the NCAAs and  if they play Salisbury it will be put up or shut up time and common opponent connections will mean nothing. I am hoping this happens. I also agree with wishing the best of Luck to all of the East in the playoffs. 

[UfanBill]

A decade ago Union regularly scheduled MAC and NJAC teams. Their 2009 schedule shows games with Muhlenberg, Salisbury and Susquehanna.(they were a LL member 2007-09) They'd previously scheduled Gettysburg, Dickinson, F&M, Carnegie Mellon, TCNJ and Montclair. Then things changed. I remember seeing the 2011 schedule and saying..."who are these guys, Salve Regina?" then Western New England and W. Conn. I now believe the scheduling changed to correspond with Union's recruiting "hot bed"...New England. This can be confirmed by looking at this year's roster. Union has 45 players from New England and only 6 from New Jersey(5) and Pennsylvania(1).

With that being said I personally would like to see the Dutchmen back in Penn. and NJ, even Ohio. Coach Behrman is a John Carroll grad so maybe a game against the Blue Streaks is on the horizon.

[MRMIKESMITH]

A decade ago Union regularly scheduled MAC and NJAC teams. Their 2009 schedule shows games with Muhlenberg, Salisbury and Susquehanna.(they were a LL member 2007-09) They'd previously scheduled Gettysburg, Dickinson, F&M, Carnegie Mellon, TCNJ and Montclair. Then things changed. I remember seeing the 2011 schedule and saying..."who are these guys, Salve Regina?" then Western New England and W. Conn. I now believe the scheduling changed to correspond with Union's recruiting "hot bed"...New England. This can be confirmed by looking at this year's roster. Union has 45 players from New England and only 6 from New Jersey(5) and Pennsylvania(1).

With that being said I personally would like to see the Dutchmen back in Penn. and NJ, even Ohio. Coach Behrman is a John Carroll grad so maybe a game against the Blue Streaks is on the horizon.

Well Union grab a great receiver from under Salisbury, Wesley, Stevenson, Delaware Valley, etc...nose.

[Bartman]

A decade ago Union regularly scheduled MAC and NJAC teams. Their 2009 schedule shows games with Muhlenberg, Salisbury and Susquehanna.(they were a LL member 2007-09) They'd previously scheduled Gettysburg, Dickinson, F&M, Carnegie Mellon, TCNJ and Montclair. Then things changed. I remember seeing the 2011 schedule and saying..."who are these guys, Salve Regina?" then Western New England and W. Conn. I now believe the scheduling changed to correspond with Union's recruiting "hot bed"...New England. This can be confirmed by looking at this year's roster. Union has 45 players from New England and only 6 from New Jersey(5) and Pennsylvania(1).

With that being said I personally would like to see the Dutchmen back in Penn. and NJ, even Ohio. Coach Behrman is a John Carroll grad so maybe a game against the Blue Streaks is on the horizon.

Emmett Forde of Hobart, DPOTY for the LL, is from South Boston , sure glad he was not one of the Dutchmen 's NE recruits.

[Machiavelli]

A decade ago Union regularly scheduled MAC and NJAC teams. Their 2009 schedule shows games with Muhlenberg, Salisbury and Susquehanna.(they were a LL member 2007-09) They'd previously scheduled Gettysburg, Dickinson, F&M, Carnegie Mellon, TCNJ and Montclair. Then things changed. I remember seeing the 2011 schedule and saying..."who are these guys, Salve Regina?" then Western New England and W. Conn. I now believe the scheduling changed to correspond with Union's recruiting "hot bed"...New England. This can be confirmed by looking at this year's roster. Union has 45 players from New England and only 6 from New Jersey(5) and Pennsylvania(1).

With that being said I personally would like to see the Dutchmen back in Penn. and NJ, even Ohio. Coach Behrman is a John Carroll grad so maybe a game against the Blue Streaks is on the horizon.

Emmett Forde of Hobart, DPOTY for the LL, is from South Boston , sure glad he was not one of the Dutchmen 's NE recruits.

Union folk wouldn't dare step foot in South Boston.

[Bartman]

A decade ago Union regularly scheduled MAC and NJAC teams. Their 2009 schedule shows games with Muhlenberg, Salisbury and Susquehanna.(they were a LL member 2007-09) They'd previously scheduled Gettysburg, Dickinson, F&M, Carnegie Mellon, TCNJ and Montclair. Then things changed. I remember seeing the 2011 schedule and saying..."who are these guys, Salve Regina?" then Western New England and W. Conn. I now believe the scheduling changed to correspond with Union's recruiting "hot bed"...New England. This can be confirmed by looking at this year's roster. Union has 45 players from New England and only 6 from New Jersey(5) and Pennsylvania(1).

With that being said I personally would like to see the Dutchmen back in Penn. and NJ, even Ohio. Coach Behrman is a John Carroll grad so maybe a game against the Blue Streaks is on the horizon.

Emmett Forde of Hobart, DPOTY for the LL, is from South Boston , sure glad he was not one of the Dutchmen 's NE recruits.

Union folk wouldn't dare step foot in South Boston.

True, the Dutch have no place in South Boston especially on St. Patrick's Day

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[jmcozenlaw]

I feel like this was an addition to prop up Del Val and Wesley. That addition gives them a combined 2 RR wins. With the lack of respect for the other East conferences getting these 2 seeded as high as possible might have been a priority. How they were the next at-large on the board after Wesley with no RR wins and SOS below both Hobart and Ithaca is beyond me.

We'll never know, but i'm pretty sure Hobart and Ithaca would both beat Stevenson and Western New England by more than 3 TD's. But i'm pretty sure both would beat up on Del Val too, so it is what it is.

If Hobart and Ithaca would "beat up on Del Val", don't leave out Wesley as another team that both would "beat up" on.......since DelVal and Wesley played a 4 overtime game this year. I saw Ithaca crap the bed twice this year. THAT Ithaca team would not only NOT beat up on Del Val or Wesley...............they might just get "beat up" themselves, even with the great Joey G........the next D3 player to make the NFL (or so he's telling everybody who will listen........and those who won't)

[MRMIKESMITH]

Rank      Team             Previous    Points   
1)     Salisbury (6)         1         60
2)     Union                 2         54 
3)     Wesley                5         48
4)     Delaware Valley       4         42
5)     Ithaca                9         31
6)     WNE                   7         28
7)     Hobart                8         24
8)     Brockport             3         42
9)     Stevenson             t10       12
t10)    Cortland              6          7
t10)    WPI                   t10        7


Dropped Out: None

RV) Endicott (1), Framingham State (1)

Key Game(s):
Case Western Reserve vs. Union (#2) , Ithaca (#5) vs. W&J, Wesley (#3) vs. Framingham State (RV), WNE (#6) vs. Brockport (#8), Salisbury (#1) vs SUNY-Maritime (NR), Hobart (#7) vs. Cortland (#10), Endicott (RV) vs. Dean (NR), Delaware Valley (#4) vs. Bridgewater, Stevenson (#9) vs. Johns Hopkins

Voters: MANDGSU, RAMS1102, DUTCH BOY, Ufanbill, Oline89, Bartman

[Machiavelli]

I feel like this was an addition to prop up Del Val and Wesley. That addition gives them a combined 2 RR wins. With the lack of respect for the other East conferences getting these 2 seeded as high as possible might have been a priority. How they were the next at-large on the board after Wesley with no RR wins and SOS below both Hobart and Ithaca is beyond me.

We'll never know, but i'm pretty sure Hobart and Ithaca would both beat Stevenson and Western New England by more than 3 TD's. But i'm pretty sure both would beat up on Del Val too, so it is what it is.

If Hobart and Ithaca would "beat up on Del Val", don't leave out Wesley as another team that both would "beat up" on.......since DelVal and Wesley played a 4 overtime game this year. I saw Ithaca crap the bed twice this year. THAT Ithaca team would not only NOT beat up on Del Val or Wesley...............they might just get "beat up" themselves, even with the great Joey G........the next D3 player to make the NFL (or so he's telling everybody who will listen........and those who won't)