East Region Fan Poll

[Ice Bear]

My updated Regional Rankings
R1:
1. Delaware Valley - (6-0) SOS (.557) (1-0)
2. Merchant Marine (5-0) SOS (.504) (1-0)
3. FDU-Florham (4-2) SOS (.659) (1-2)
4. Widener (6-1) SOS (.466) (1-1)
5. Catholic (5-2) SOS (.507) (1-1)
6. Endicott (6-1) SOS (.543) (0-1)
7. Lycoming (4-2) SOS (.592) (0-2)
8. Bridgewater State (4-2) SOS (.505) (0-1)
9. Salve Regina (5-1) SOS (.446) (0-0)
10. Wilkes (5-1) SOS (.364) (0-1)


R2.
1. Ithaca (6-0) SOS (.661) (3-0)
2. Susquehanna (6-0) SOS (.509) (1-0)
3. Cortland (6-0) SOS (.469) (1-0)
4. Union (6-0) SOS (.474) (0-0) 
5. Washington & Jefferson (6-0) SOS (.445) (0-0)
6. Hobart (5-1) SOS (.541) (0-1)
7. Salisbury (4-1) SOS (.498) (0-1)
8. Muhlenberg (5-1) SOS (.500) (1-0)
9. Brockport (4-2) SOS (.675) (0-2)
10. Johns Hopkins (5-1) SOS (.488) (0-1)

Bold - Pool A Leaders

If you're IC, you're definitely rooting for Hobart to beat Union, right? It seems like it would be better for their Pool C if they had two results against 9-1 LL teams than one 8-2 and one 10-0.

Ice Bear says yes to this thinking. There is going to be lots of that going around. Ice rooted heavily for the Pumpkins against RPI (obviously because they're ****ing RPI and they just suck) just in case Union loses to Hobart. Ice would rather have them lose to a 1 loss Hobart team than a 2 loss Hobart team. What a monster cluster**** of competitiveness at the top of the LL.

Ice Bear says it's going to be an enjoyable/nerve wrecking last four weeks in the LL.

[MRMIKESMITH]

My updated Regional Rankings - Week 8 (Only did 9 as it was mentioned that rankings would only consider 6-9, as such Region 1 and 2 have the most schools.) The curious thing about Region 1, we may end up with 1 or 2 three loss teams ranked at the end of the year and maybe 3 from MAC.
R1:
1. Delaware Valley (7-0) SOS (.536) (1-0)
2. Merchant Marine (7-0) SOS (.502) (0-0)
3. Lycoming (5-2) SOS (.565) (0-2)
4. Salve Regina (7-1) SOS (.496) (0-0) Salve owns tie-breaker in CCC (https://www.cccathletics.com/secure/content/administrative/tiebreakercriteria)
5. Wilkes (6-1) SOS (.383) (0-1)
6. Endicott (6-2) SOS (.552) (0-1)
7. Bridgewater State (5-2) SOS (.415) (0-1)
8. Framingham State (5-2) SOS (.430) (0-0)
9. Anna Maria (5-1) SOS (.358) (0-0)


Region 2 was the most difficult as there were many teams on the outside with 1 loss (Johns Hopkins, RPI & Grove City) and 2 losses (Brockport and Carnegie Mellon). Regarding Hobart and Salisbury being in front of Union and Muhlenberg, this is using objective data and looking at who you have played and having to use SOS eventually. I pegged W&J above Muhlenberg, because I expect John Carroll to be ranked in R 4.

R2.
1. Ithaca (7-0) SOS (.585) (3-0)
2. Cortland (7-0) SOS (.488) (1-0)
3. Susquehanna (7-0) SOS (.475) (1-0)
4. Hobart (6-1) SOS (.533) (0-1)
5. Salisbury (5-1) SOS (.527) (0-1)
6. Union (7-0) SOS (.449) (0-0)
7. Westminster (5-2) SOS (.500) (1-1)
8. Washington & Jefferson (6-1) SOS (.484) (1-1)
9. Muhlenberg (6-1) SOS (.451) (0-0)


Bold - Pool A Leaders

[UfanBill]

My updated Regional Rankings - Week 8 (Only did 9 as it was mentioned that rankings would only consider 6-9, as such Region 1 and 2 have the most schools.) The curious thing about Region 1, we may end up with 1 or 2 three loss teams ranked at the end of the year and maybe 3 from MAC.
R1:
1. Delaware Valley (7-0) SOS (.536) (1-0)
2. Merchant Marine (7-0) SOS (.502) (0-0)
3. Lycoming (5-2) SOS (.565) (0-2)
4. Salve Regina (7-1) SOS (.496) (0-0) Salve owns tie-breaker in CCC (https://www.cccathletics.com/secure/content/administrative/tiebreakercriteria)
5. Wilkes (6-1) SOS (.383) (0-1)
6. Endicott (6-2) SOS (.552) (0-1)
7. Bridgewater State (5-2) SOS (.415) (0-1)
8. Framingham State (5-2) SOS (.430) (0-0)
9. Anna Maria (5-1) SOS (.358) (0-0)


Region 2 was the most difficult as there were many teams on the outside with 1 loss (Johns Hopkins, RPI & Grove City) and 2 losses (Brockport and Carnegie Mellon). Regarding Hobart and Salisbury being in front of Union and Muhlenberg, this is using objective data and looking at who you have played and having to use SOS eventually. I pegged W&J above Muhlenberg, because I expect John Carroll to be ranked in R 4.

R2.
1. Ithaca (7-0) SOS (.585) (3-0)
2. Cortland (7-0) SOS (.488) (1-0)
3. Susquehanna (7-0) SOS (.475) (1-0)
4. Hobart (6-1) SOS (.533) (0-1)
5. Salisbury (5-1) SOS (.527) (0-1)
6. Union (7-0) SOS (.449) (0-0)
7. Westminster (5-2) SOS (.500) (1-1)
8. Washington & Jefferson (6-1) SOS (.484) (1-1)
9. Muhlenberg (6-1) SOS (.451) (0-0)


Bold - Pool A Leaders

Regional Rankings???...OK, I'll take the bait and respond. While I applaud your efforts, elevating Hobart up to #4 ahead of Union and Salisbury in your guesswork Regional Rankings, based mostly on the bogus NCAA SOS numbers is an exercise in futility. To me the SOS numbers mean nothing at this point, same for trying to project Regional Rankings before teams play the meat of their schedule.  Much can , and will, happen in the next three weeks. That's why the NCAA has stopped releasing RR until after week #9 (or #10 TBD), which initially will not even be numerically ranked, but alphabetically. See https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/10/22/bonus-podcast-youll-see-a-change-in-regional-rankings/   As for results against other RR opponents. Ithaca's win over Bridgeport St. looks good now but will Bridgeport even win the MASCAC. They have a winner take all with Framingham coming up and Brockport will probably not be RR in the end ....and Union with no current RR wins has a W over Springfield which I suspect will ultimately win the NEWMAC thus becoming RR'd. I'm sure there are others that will shake out.

Pat and his D3football staff have said that they will release a projected Regional Rankings soon. We'll see how that compares. Of course we'll have additional on the field results by then. 



 

[IC798891]

My updated Regional Rankings - Week 8 (Only did 9 as it was mentioned that rankings would only consider 6-9, as such Region 1 and 2 have the most schools.) The curious thing about Region 1, we may end up with 1 or 2 three loss teams ranked at the end of the year and maybe 3 from MAC.
R1:
1. Delaware Valley (7-0) SOS (.536) (1-0)
2. Merchant Marine (7-0) SOS (.502) (0-0)
3. Lycoming (5-2) SOS (.565) (0-2)
4. Salve Regina (7-1) SOS (.496) (0-0) Salve owns tie-breaker in CCC (https://www.cccathletics.com/secure/content/administrative/tiebreakercriteria)
5. Wilkes (6-1) SOS (.383) (0-1)
6. Endicott (6-2) SOS (.552) (0-1)
7. Bridgewater State (5-2) SOS (.415) (0-1)
8. Framingham State (5-2) SOS (.430) (0-0)
9. Anna Maria (5-1) SOS (.358) (0-0)


Region 2 was the most difficult as there were many teams on the outside with 1 loss (Johns Hopkins, RPI & Grove City) and 2 losses (Brockport and Carnegie Mellon). Regarding Hobart and Salisbury being in front of Union and Muhlenberg, this is using objective data and looking at who you have played and having to use SOS eventually. I pegged W&J above Muhlenberg, because I expect John Carroll to be ranked in R 4.

R2.
1. Ithaca (7-0) SOS (.585) (3-0)
2. Cortland (7-0) SOS (.488) (1-0)
3. Susquehanna (7-0) SOS (.475) (1-0)
4. Hobart (6-1) SOS (.533) (0-1)
5. Salisbury (5-1) SOS (.527) (0-1)
6. Union (7-0) SOS (.449) (0-0)
7. Westminster (5-2) SOS (.500) (1-1)
8. Washington & Jefferson (6-1) SOS (.484) (1-1)
9. Muhlenberg (6-1) SOS (.451) (0-0)


Bold - Pool A Leaders

Regional Rankings???...OK, I'll take the bait and respond. While I applaud your efforts, elevating Hobart up to #4 ahead of Union and Salisbury in your guesswork Regional Rankings, based mostly on the bogus NCAA SOS numbers is an exercise in futility. To me the SOS numbers mean nothing at this point, same for trying to project Regional Rankings before teams play the meat of their schedule.  Much can , and will, happen in the next three weeks. That's why the NCAA has stopped releasing RR until after week #9 (or #10 TBD), which initially will not even be numerically ranked, but alphabetically. See https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/10/22/bonus-podcast-youll-see-a-change-in-regional-rankings/   As for results against other RR opponents. Ithaca's win over Bridgeport St. looks good now but will Bridgeport even win the MASCAC. They have a winner take all with Framingham coming up and Brockport will probably not be RR in the end ....and Union with no current RR wins has a W over Springfield which I suspect will ultimately win the NEWMAC thus becoming RR'd. I'm sure there are others that will shake out.

Pat and his D3football staff have said that they will release a projected Regional Rankings soon. We'll see how that compares. Of course we'll have additional on the field results by then. 

While I'm not so apoplectic about Union being ranked behind Hobart that I'd get the name of IC's first opponent wrong — that'd be Bridgewater St. — I think a lot of what you think of Hobart's one loss comes down to what you think IC has proven to this point, which honestly, hinges a bit on what you think of Brockport.

If you think Port is an NCAA-caliber team that just had the misfortune of playing the top 2 teams in the region, I think that you could point out that Hobart gave IC a heck of a lot more trouble, and at Butterfield no less.

I'm a little less high on Brockport. I don't think the E8 is very strong, and Brockport's offensive issues run deep. They trailed Rochester, at home, in the 4th quarter, due to those issues. So that makes me think that Port probably isn't a really strong contender, but merely the second best team in a weaker conference. All of that sort of flows down to Hobart.

I'd probably put Union ahead of them, as a result.

But honestly, it's not a big deal. The LL schedule has broken in such a way that we're getting almost all of our great games in the coming weeks. With all due respect to the great IC-Bart game, that was just a warmup act. Time to buckle up for the main event.

[MRMIKESMITH]

My updated Regional Rankings - Week 8 (Only did 9 as it was mentioned that rankings would only consider 6-9, as such Region 1 and 2 have the most schools.) The curious thing about Region 1, we may end up with 1 or 2 three loss teams ranked at the end of the year and maybe 3 from MAC.
R1:
1. Delaware Valley (7-0) SOS (.536) (1-0)
2. Merchant Marine (7-0) SOS (.502) (0-0)
3. Lycoming (5-2) SOS (.565) (0-2)
4. Salve Regina (7-1) SOS (.496) (0-0) Salve owns tie-breaker in CCC (https://www.cccathletics.com/secure/content/administrative/tiebreakercriteria)
5. Wilkes (6-1) SOS (.383) (0-1)
6. Endicott (6-2) SOS (.552) (0-1)
7. Bridgewater State (5-2) SOS (.415) (0-1)
8. Framingham State (5-2) SOS (.430) (0-0)
9. Anna Maria (5-1) SOS (.358) (0-0)


Region 2 was the most difficult as there were many teams on the outside with 1 loss (Johns Hopkins, RPI & Grove City) and 2 losses (Brockport and Carnegie Mellon). Regarding Hobart and Salisbury being in front of Union and Muhlenberg, this is using objective data and looking at who you have played and having to use SOS eventually. I pegged W&J above Muhlenberg, because I expect John Carroll to be ranked in R 4.

R2.
1. Ithaca (7-0) SOS (.585) (3-0)
2. Cortland (7-0) SOS (.488) (1-0)
3. Susquehanna (7-0) SOS (.475) (1-0)
4. Hobart (6-1) SOS (.533) (0-1)
5. Salisbury (5-1) SOS (.527) (0-1)
6. Union (7-0) SOS (.449) (0-0)
7. Westminster (5-2) SOS (.500) (1-1)
8. Washington & Jefferson (6-1) SOS (.484) (1-1)
9. Muhlenberg (6-1) SOS (.451) (0-0)


Bold - Pool A Leaders

Regional Rankings???...OK, I'll take the bait and respond. While I applaud your efforts, elevating Hobart up to #4 ahead of Union and Salisbury in your guesswork Regional Rankings, based mostly on the bogus NCAA SOS numbers is an exercise in futility. To me the SOS numbers mean nothing at this point, same for trying to project Regional Rankings before teams play the meat of their schedule.  Much can , and will, happen in the next three weeks. That's why the NCAA has stopped releasing RR until after week #9 (or #10 TBD), which initially will not even be numerically ranked, but alphabetically. See https://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2021/10/22/bonus-podcast-youll-see-a-change-in-regional-rankings/   As for results against other RR opponents. Ithaca's win over Bridgeport St. looks good now but will Bridgeport even win the MASCAC. They have a winner take all with Framingham coming up and Brockport will probably not be RR in the end ....and Union with no current RR wins has a W over Springfield which I suspect will ultimately win the NEWMAC thus becoming RR'd. I'm sure there are others that will shake out.

Pat and his D3football staff have said that they will release a projected Regional Rankings soon. We'll see how that compares. Of course we'll have additional on the field results by then. 

Trust me there was no intent to bait anyone, this was using Today's data. These aren't even my rankings. I have Union much higher. Yes, when Pat and Crew does the RR projections, mines will stop. I was just using the data we all have. You can't argue Ithaca's current Resume. I also understand that in Union case their SOS will improve probably to Ithaca and maybe higher if both Springfield and Utica win out. Even if you recall in our region(s) in 2019, being undefeated doesn't guarantee you'll be higher https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings. As it appear, you chose to comment on my "Guesswork". I don't have a problem with comments, more are welcome. Again, you can choose to comment on this imaginary RR or not. However, you can't argue with what the data currently shows TODAY and what the committee includes. We all know that next three weeks are BIG for the LL and as such, I'll continue with my imaginary and futile rankings until we have an "unofficial/official" one. 

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear has said it before and he'll say it again. He is really looking forward to MMA/Springfield...the official triple option ****ing extravaganza!

Sing it with Ice Bear...

Triple, Triple, option baby

[The Mole]

1. Del Val
2. Union
3. Ithaca
4. Muhlenberg
5. Salisbury
6. Susquehanna
7. Hopkins
8. Cortland
9. W&J
10. Hobart/Trinity/USMMA

[gordonmann]

10. Trinibart Marine Academy

[MRMIKESMITH]

Here is the R1R2 Fan Poll for week 8. We are back to 7 voters.  We have some big games this week, that will either make the playoff picture murkier or clearer...Also in NESCAC land we got a battle of unbeatens....

Rank      Team             Previous    Points   
1)     Delaware Valley (5)   1          66 
2)     Ithaca (1)            4          52
3t)     Union                 3          46
3t)     Susquehanna           5          46
5t)     Cortland              6t         44
5t)     Salisbury             8          44
7)     Muhlenberg            6t         34
8)     Johns Hopkins (1)     9          19
9)     Hobart                10         12.34
10)     W&J                   2          7 

Dropped Out: None

RV) Ursinus (3), Wesleyan (2), Grove City (1) USMMA (.33), Trinity (.33)

Key Game(s):
Ithaca (#1) v. RPI (NR) , Union (#3) v. Hobart (#9), Susquehanna (#3) v. Johns Hopkins (#8), W&J (#10) vs Grove City (RV), Merchant Marine (RV) v. Springfield (NR), Trinity (Conn.) (RV) vs. Williams (NR), Cortland (#5) vs. Alfred

Voters: FANOFD3, Massey, D3Football.com, Oline89, Bartman, Mole, and ITH

[Ice Bear]

Here is the R1R2 Fan Poll for week 8. We are back to 7 voters.  We have some big games this week, that will either make the playoff picture murkier or clearer...Also in NESCAC land we got a battle of unbeatens....

Rank      Team             Previous    Points   
1)     Delaware Valley (5)   1          66 
2)     Ithaca (1)            4          52
3t)     Union                 3          46
3t)     Susquehanna           5          46
5t)     Cortland              6t         44
5t)     Salisbury             8          44
7)     Muhlenberg            6t         34
8)     Johns Hopkins (1)     9          19
9)     Hobart                10         12.34
10)     W&J                   2          7 

Dropped Out: None

RV) Ursinus (3), Wesleyan (2), Grove City (1) USMMA (.33), Trinity (.33)

Key Game(s):
Ithaca (#1) v. RPI (NR) , Union (#3) v. Hobart (#9), Susquehanna (#3) v. Johns Hopkins (#8), W&J (#10) vs Grove City (RV), Merchant Marine (RV) v. Springfield (NR), Trinity (Conn.) (RV) vs. Williams (NR)

Voters: FANOFD3, Massey, D3Football.com, Oline89, Bartman, Mole, and ITH

Ice Bear says great job on this poll to all who participated. Ice Bear says thank you.

[The Mole]

Huge week coming up, should be fun to watch.  As you allude, 3 NESCAC squads are unbeaten (Wesleyan, Williams, Trinity). They all play each other in these last 3 weeks. Trinity vs Williams this week, Williams vs Wesleyan next week and Trinity vs Wesleyan in the NESCAC final week. It will be interesting to see how the next few weeks shake out in the Liberty, Centennial, PAC and NESCAC.

Here is the R1R2 Fan Poll for week 8. We are back to 7 voters.  We have some big games this week, that will either make the playoff picture murkier or clearer...Also in NESCAC land we got a battle of unbeatens....

Rank      Team             Previous    Points   
1)     Delaware Valley (5)   1          66 
2)     Ithaca (1)            4          52
3t)     Union                 3          46
3t)     Susquehanna           5          46
5t)     Cortland              6t         44
5t)     Salisbury             8          44
7)     Muhlenberg            6t         34
8)     Johns Hopkins (1)     9          19
9)     Hobart                10         12.34
10)     W&J                   2          7 

Dropped Out: None

RV) Ursinus (3), Wesleyan (2), Grove City (1) USMMA (.33), Trinity (.33)

Key Game(s):
Ithaca (#1) v. RPI (NR) , Union (#3) v. Hobart (#9), Susquehanna (#3) v. Johns Hopkins (#8), W&J (#10) vs Grove City (RV), Merchant Marine (RV) v. Springfield (NR), Trinity (Conn.) (RV) vs. Williams (NR)

Voters: FANOFD3, Massey, D3Football.com, Oline89, Bartman, Mole, and ITH

[Bartman]

The NESCAC have a great season going. I wish they would suspend the decision to play outside the league, at least one game like the PAC does. It's tough to vote for a team like Trinity without any comparison other than GPAs or SATs

[The Mole]

totally agree, it would give a better comparison having that 10th. Like most conferences, there is a top, middle and bottom tier. There is a ton of competitive balance in NESCAC this year--the bottom tier has improved (maybe not in record but in terms of better games). Would love to see 10th as season ending crossover bowl game with Liberty/UAA affiliated teams or first "scrimmage" against a reasonable geographical opponent: Williams vs Union, Wesleyan vs CGA, Middlebury vs Norwich, UNE vs Bowdoin, Husson vs Colby, Trinity vs Springfield, Amherst vs WNE, Hamilton vs Utica, Tufts vs Endicott, Bates vs Plymouth State.....probably will not happen but fun to surmise!

The NESCAC have a great season going. I wish they would suspend the decision to play outside the league, at least one game like the PAC does. It's tough to vote for a team like Trinity without any comparison other than GPAs or SATs

[Ice Bear]

totally agree, it would give a better comparison having that 10th. Like most conferences, there is a top, middle and bottom tier. There is a ton of competitive balance in NESCAC this year--the bottom tier has improved (maybe not in record but in terms of better games). Would love to see 10th as season ending crossover bowl game with Liberty/UAA affiliated teams or first "scrimmage" against a reasonable geographical opponent: Williams vs Union, Wesleyan vs CGA, Middlebury vs Norwich, UNE vs Bowdoin, Husson vs Colby, Trinity vs Springfield, Amherst vs WNE, Hamilton vs Utica, Tufts vs Endicott, Bates vs Plymouth State.....probably will not happen but fun to surmise!

The NESCAC have a great season going. I wish they would suspend the decision to play outside the league, at least one game like the PAC does. It's tough to vote for a team like Trinity without any comparison other than GPAs or SATs

Ice Bear says this won't work as those pussies from Williams stopped playing Union in the 80's once  Bagnoli got Union rolling.

In 80-81 Williams defeated Union both times by a combined score of 44 - 6. From 82-87 The U went undefeated against Williams with a combined score of 181 - 64. Then all of a sudden in 89...poof the Ephs were gone like ****ing Keyser Soze...

[IC798891]

Ice Bear says this won't work as ... Williams stopped playing Union in the 80's once  Bagnoli got Union rolling.

Ice Bear IC798891 says this won't work as ... Williams Union stopped playing Union refused to play Ithaca in the 80's once  Bagnoli Butterfield got Union Ithaca rolling.

FTFY