East Region Fan Poll

[SJFF82]

If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

Ok.  Tell me why App St. wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan after week 1?

Because it was a fluke, however your statement suggested that teams deserve to be ranked higher not because of their strength, but perhaps because of them "deserving it"  Then I pose the same question to you under your faulty logic:  Why wasnt App St ranked higher than Michigan after beating them?

Well thats why I used the horribly worded phrase "arent really".  What my whole point is that sometimes a head to head competition is what really matters.  App. St isnt really a great example in the long run, because they dont play a schedule even close to what Michigan does.  But if they both went 9-1 and were the last two teams left to go to "bowl A" (And app st was d1), I would say App St deserved to go, (or be ranked higher) because they beat Michigan head to head.  Even though you and I know Michigan is better than App St., App St beat them and would deserve to get a spot over them if they both contended for one.

Gotcha...sometimes its hard to get a point across when we are just typing random thoughts...so App St should be ahead of Michigan then....right....

[Jonny Utah]

If we want to use the "neutral field" cliche...

I think Montclair would beat Alfred on a neutral field.  Should Montclair Fall or Alfred impress in the upcoming weeks, I may change my tune. 

Huh, App. St wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan because they are neither better nor did they deserve a higher ranking



The thing about these polls is that you arent really saying who is better or not.  But its who deserves to be ranked higher. 

That statement (by Utah) is rather 'circular' in logic and otherwise makes no sense at all...isnt it presumed that if a team "deserves to be ranked higher" that they are better?   

Not always.  Sometimes teams have bad games, or luck doesnt go their way.  Thats why appalachian st wasnt ranked ahead of michigan after week 1.

Ok.  Tell me why App St. wasnt ranked ahead of Michigan after week 1?

Because it was a fluke, however your statement suggested that teams deserve to be ranked higher not because of their strength, but perhaps because of them "deserving it"  Then I pose the same question to you under your faulty logic:  Why wasnt App St ranked higher than Michigan after beating them?

Well thats why I used the horribly worded phrase "arent really".  What my whole point is that sometimes a head to head competition is what really matters.  App. St isnt really a great example in the long run, because they dont play a schedule even close to what Michigan does.  But if they both went 9-1 and were the last two teams left to go to "bowl A" (And app st was d1), I would say App St deserved to go, (or be ranked higher) because they beat Michigan head to head.  Even though you and I know Michigan is better than App St., App St beat them and would deserve to get a spot over them if they both contended for one.

Gotcha...sometimes its hard to get a point across when we are just typing random thoughts...so App St should be ahead of Michigan then....right....

Right.  And actually, If I were voting on the ncaa polls after week one.  I might have ranked App St at 27 and Michigan at 29 or something.  Then drop App st back down to 40 when they lose to Wofford, and Mich back up to 20 after they beat Penn st.

thats where my whole "deserving" thing comes in.  I know that the best teams will play themselves out in the end.

[AUKaz00]

EAST REGION PRESEASON FAN POLL!!!

Team(#1 Votes)       Points
1   Fisher(9)           99
2   Springfield(1)      79
3   Wilkes                 76
4   Rowan                74
5   Hobart                 38
6   Cortland State     37
7   RPI                    34
8   Union                  32
9   Ithaca                   27
10   Delaware Valley   25

Also Receiving Points:  Alfred 22, Rochester 2, Curry 2, Montclair State 1, Kean 1, Bridgewater State 1

I just wanted to give props to Pep for convincing me to put Montclair on our preseason ballot.  This is why he's worthy of being E8PP Chairman!

Also notice how only 4 of the top 10 still remain.

[dewcrew88]

EAST REGION PRESEASON FAN POLL!!!

Team(#1 Votes)       Points
1   Fisher(9)           99
2   Springfield(1)      79
3   Wilkes                 76
4   Rowan                74
5   Hobart                 38
6   Cortland State     37
7   RPI                    34
8   Union                  32
9   Ithaca                   27
10   Delaware Valley   25

Also Receiving Points:  Alfred 22, Rochester 2, Curry 2, Montclair State 1, Kean 1, Bridgewater State 1

I just wanted to give props to Pep for convincing me to put Montclair on our preseason ballot.  This is why he's worthy of being E8PP Chairman!

Also notice how only 4 of the top 10 still remain.

That's why they play the games.

[theoriginalupstate]

 
2007 Week 4 Upstate Poll for Sept. 24 

1 St. John Fisher (17) 85

2 Alfred 62

3 Rensselaer 56

4 Brockport 27

5 Hobart 8

Others receiving votes: Cortland 7, Hartwick 5, Ithaca 5.

[Boxer7806]

lookin at the poll it seems someone left curry out of their top ten but had hartwick at 8... dont see the logic in that when Wnec beats hartwick 48-21 and Curry just beat Wnec this past week 48-3...wondering if anyone else thinks Hartwick would beat Curry on a neutral site?

[Jonny Utah]

lookin at the poll it seems someone left curry out of their top ten but had hartwick at 8... dont see the logic in that when Wnec beats hartwick 48-21 and Curry just beat Wnec this past week 48-3...wondering if anyone else thinks Hartwick would beat Curry on a neutral site?

I think they could.  Id say it would probably be an even game.

[pg04]

Another Crazy Week... Let's look at what the top 10 did this week...


East Region Fan Poll - Week 4 (9/24/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Previous Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher ( 10 )	4-0	100	1	LOSS TO HARTWICK 31-28
2	Alfred	3-0	84	T2	DEF NORWICH 45-21
3	RPI	3-0	77	T2	DEF SUSQUEHANNA 37-14
	Montclair State	3-0	77	4	LOSS TO TCNJ 19-9
5	Rowan	2-1	61	6	DEF WEST CONN 40-18
6	WPI	4-0	35	T9	LOSS TO #7 HOBART 35-45
7	Hobart	1-2	30	7	DEF #6 WPI  45-35
8	Curry	4-0	25	NR	DEF SALVE REGINA 38-7
9	Cortland State	2-1	17	NR	DEF WILLY P 42-0
10	Springfield	1-2	13	5	DEF UTICA 49-12

['gro]

I don't have a vote, but I wouldn't drop SJF down past #2. Still have no idea what they are drinking down in Hartwick, but they have beat 2 good teams.

There's a big cluster at the top with SJF, Alfred, RPI, and Rowan.  Montclair and WPI should drop some, and give some votes to Hobart and 'Wick.

[union89]

Interesting year in the East.......Hatwick gets smoked by WNEC then beats a Fisher team that I gave reservations to Salem.

[SJFF82]

I don't have a vote, but I wouldn't drop SJF down past #2. 

I would...

[Jonny Utah]

I don't have a vote, but I wouldn't drop SJF down past #2. Still have no idea what they are drinking down in Hartwick, but they have beat 2 good teams.

There's a big cluster at the top with SJF, Alfred, RPI, and Rowan.  Montclair and WPI should drop some, and give some votes to Hobart and 'Wick.

Yea is Hartwick the Michigan of d3 football this year?

This poll is going to be very hard this week.  The only solid thing I can see happening is Alfred at #1, and RPI at #2. 

I think you have to drop SJF below Alfred and RPI just because of the fact that those two teams havent lost to a team like harwick yet, and they have played a few teams like Hartwick.

[theoriginalupstate]

Yeah even though i havent filled out my ballot yet I've got them at 3 behind AU and RPI....

[Knightstalker]

I feel like tearing up my previous polls and starting over.

[DanPadavona]

While RPI is undefeated, I think an argument can be made for Rowan at #2.  A close road loss to open the season at a very good CNU team is nothing that should anchor them indefinitely.  Look at what they have done since.  41-0 over Widener?  40-18 over West Conn?  They are getting scary again.

I cannot help but wonder if Alfred is undefeated only because they haven't played Fisher, IC, and Hartwick yet.  Their scores have been convincing, but the real season is still ahead of them.

Time to introduce TCNJ into the conversation?  3-1 overall, 19-9 over Montclair.

Without question Hartwick has to be ranked, but I cannot wait to see where y'all put them. 

Especially with the WNEC-Hartwick score likely to be trumpeted by the NEFC all season, how far does Curry move up the poll since they are obviously the class of the conference?

The wild, wild East!  2007 is shaping up to be a lot of fun.