East Region Fan Poll

[pg04]

I believe this person is taking it seriously, and I have not noticed any strange voting in the past.  It could be a mistake, So perhaps I should investigate.  Honestly I didn't even notice it as I was dumping things in my spreadsheet in earlier. 

[labart96]

I believe this person is taking it seriously, and I have not noticed any strange voting in the past.  It could be a mistake, So perhaps I should investigate.  Honestly I didn't even notice it as I was dumping things in my spreadsheet in earlier. 

It was a mistake.  I was very busy at work today and honestly rushed through trying to post it.  If an honest mistake is against the rules, then you can kick me out of the poll if you want.  I had SJF as my #4 but the D3 website wouldn't let me PM it to pg (kept crashing everytime I clicked enter to submit), so I had to copy and paste into excel then resend via regular email.

for whatever reason when the cells were copied, it didn't grab #4 and made it look like #4 was hartwick.

[pg04]

Modified East Region Fan Poll - Week 5 (10/1/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Alfred   ( 7 )	4-0	97	2	vs. #6 Hartwick
2	RPI   ( 3 )	4-0	89	T3	vs. St. Lawrence
3	Rowan	3-1	79	5	vs. #6 TCNJ
4	St. John Fisher	4-1	73	1	vs. Brockport State
5	Hobart	2-2	46	7	at Susquehanna
6	New Jersey	3-1	28	NR	at #3 Rowan
7	Hartwick	3-1	26	NR	at #1 Alfred
8	Curry	5-0	25	8	at MIT
9	Montclair State	3-1	24	T3	vs. Buffalo State
10	Cortland State	3-1	23	9	at Kean

Other receiving votes: Ithaca 13, Albright 11, Springfield 8,  WPI 3, Husson 1

Dropped Out: #6 WPI, #10 Springfield



Voting Breakdown:

Alfred (1,1,1,1,1,2,2,1,1,2)
RPI (2,4,3,2,3,1,1,2,2,1)
Rowan (4,2,2,4,2,4,3,3,4,3)
Fisher (3,3,4,3,4,3,4,4,3,6)
Hobart (6,5,6,5,6,-,5,5,6,9)
TCNJ (7,-,8,-,7,6,9,8,-,4)
Hartwick (5,8,7,-,8,7,8,-,9,10)
Curry (9,7,-,7,5,10,-,-,5,8)
Montclair State (-,6,9,8,10,8,7,9,7,-)
Cortland State (-,-,5,9,-,5,6,-,-,7)
Ithaca (8,-,-,6,-,-,-,7,10,-)
Albright (-,9,-,-,9,-,-,10,-,5)
Springfield (-,-,10,-,-,9,-,6,-,-)
WPI (10,-,-,10,-,-,10,-,-,-)
Husson (-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)


It was a spreadsheet Mistake by the voter that Fisher was omitted.   

[superman57]

I believe this person is taking it seriously, and I have not noticed any strange voting in the past.  It could be a mistake, So perhaps I should investigate.  Honestly I didn't even notice it as I was dumping things in my spreadsheet in earlier. 

It was a mistake.  I was very busy at work today and honestly rushed through trying to post it.  If an honest mistake is against the rules, then you can kick me out of the poll if you want.  I had SJF as my #4 but the D3 website wouldn't let me PM it to pg (kept crashing everytime I clicked enter to submit), so I had to copy and paste into excel then resend via regular email.

for whatever reason when the cells were copied, it didn't grab #4 and made it look like #4 was hartwick.

+k tgp....sorry for all the venom

[pg04]

I believe this person is taking it seriously, and I have not noticed any strange voting in the past.  It could be a mistake, So perhaps I should investigate.  Honestly I didn't even notice it as I was dumping things in my spreadsheet in earlier. 

It was a mistake.  I was very busy at work today and honestly rushed through trying to post it.  If an honest mistake is against the rules, then you can kick me out of the poll if you want.  I had SJF as my #4 but the D3 website wouldn't let me PM it to pg (kept crashing everytime I clicked enter to submit), so I had to copy and paste into excel then resend via regular email.

for whatever reason when the cells were copied, it didn't grab #4 and made it look like #4 was hartwick.

I understand.  I never thought of kicking anyone out.  Even if that had been your real pick I wasn't going to kick you out.

Got no issues with me... thanks for taking the time to fill it ou! 

[union89]

who dropped the number 1 team clear out of the poll after one close loss on the road...seriously

Most likely caused Fisher to be 4 instead of 3.........

No it didn't, the most any vote can be worth is 10 points, for #1.. Fisher is more than 10 points behind Rowan.  Either way, Fisher's gonna be 4. 

Sorry, I can't add........

[lewdogg11]

honestly even the person who put fisher at 6 has a  lot to explain... 3 or 4 is a perfect spot for fisher

Dude!  They lost to Hartwick!  Is it a surprise they dropped in some people's polls?  When they beat Alfred, I'm sure they will be right back up there.  This is a weekly poll, and ranks are bound to change based on a teams performance that week.  If Albright and TCNJ lose now, they probably won't exist on the poll, just like WPI, Springfield, Ithaca, etc...

TCNJ lost to an undefeated team, then beat the team that beat Springfield, Wilkes, and Wesley.  This isn't the nation's 'Top 25', it's the East, and with this wacky East this year, it's gonna change.  Your beloved Fisher lost to a team not many hold in high regard, so boo hoo, they friggin drop.  Get over it for Christ's sake. 

And lastly, after just now revisiting SJF's schedule, who have they beat so far this year, that should make one think the Hartwick loss was a fluke???

[SJFF82]

honestly even the person who put fisher at 6 has a  lot to explain... 3 or 4 is a perfect spot for fisher

Dude!  They lost to Hartwick!  Is it a surprise they dropped in some people's polls?  When they beat Alfred, I'm sure they will be right back up there.  This is a weekly poll, and ranks are bound to change based on a teams performance that week.  If Albright and TCNJ lose now, they probably won't exist on the poll, just like WPI, Springfield, Ithaca, etc...

TCNJ lost to an undefeated team, then beat the team that beat Springfield, Wilkes, and Wesley.  This isn't the nation's 'Top 25', it's the East, and with this wacky East this year, it's gonna change.  Your beloved Fisher lost to a team not many hold in high regard, so boo hoo, they friggin drop.  Get over it for Christ's sake. 

And lastly, after just now revisiting SJF's schedule, who have they beat so far this year, that should make one think the Hartwick loss was a fluke???

Just Ithaca on the road and a decent Buff State....

[Pat Coleman]

a decent Buff State....

Having to use an adjective in front of a team is a dead spin giveaway.

Just let Buff State's name stand on its own.

[superman57]

I'm not as upset about the 6...as I was when they weren't their at all...but the issues I have with them at 6 is who is infront of them in 4 and 5...TCNJ and Albright

[Boxer7806]

 who left Hobart off there ballot? i also believe Hartwick is getting a bad rep from soopafifty7...they have one bad loss but have beat an array of quality teams...i know they have been a doormat in the past but lets give credit where credit is due...i dont think anyone should have left them off a their ballot

[SJFF82]

a decent Buff State....

Having to use an adjective in front of a team is a dead spin giveaway.

Just let Buff State's name stand on its own.

point well taken...

[lewdogg11]

I'm not as upset about the 6...as I was when they weren't their at all...but the issues I have with them at 6 is who is infront of them in 4 and 5...TCNJ and Albright

Well, after this week, TCNJ and Rowan will most likely work themselves out.  Albright might be in the wrong spot, but they are also the lone rep out of the MAC right now, and their only loss is to a Salisbury team that looks loaded this year, so time will tell on them.

And Buff St looks no better than mediocre, as does Ithaca at this point, so they do not impress me that much on Fisher's win list this year.  I'm not putting Fisher down, because if they win out, they will be right back towards the top, but when you get knocked down, you have to get back up and prove that you are worthy.  Springfield got knocked down, then they got knocked off, and didn't redeem themselves.

It's a long season, and the only teams that so far haven't had much of an opportunity to move anywhere but up, are RPI and Alfred(and maybe Curry, but they do this every year in that pathetic conference)and until they lose, that will be the case.

My favorite thing is that Husson got a vote.

[labart96]

who left Hobart off there ballot? i also believe Hartwick is getting a bad rep from soopafifty7...they have one bad loss but have beat an array of quality teams...i know they have been a doormat in the past but lets give credit where credit is due...i dont think anyone should have left them off a their ballot

Valid question.  Hobart actually has 2 losses (both on last second, game ending plays), but Hobart could have won either game.  Also, both the teams that barely beat Hobart are a combined 9-0 on the season.

I would challenge anyone who thinks Hobart is a "doormat".  That was certainly true for prior to the mid 90's, but since then Bart's program has been very strong.  In 2006, Bart was coming off its fifth consecutive postseason appearance (and sixth in the past seven seasons).  Hobart also boasts the highest winning percentage of any Division III team in New York State since the start of the 2000 season.  The Statesmen have won 77.1% of the time during that time frame, logging an impressive 54-16 mark (keep in mind this stat was before the 2007 started - regardless, even a 56-18 mark is still a very solid 75.6% since 2000).

[Jonny Utah]

I'm not as upset about the 6...as I was when they weren't their at all...but the issues I have with them at 6 is who is infront of them in 4 and 5...TCNJ and Albright

Well, after this week, TCNJ and Rowan will most likely work themselves out.  Albright might be in the wrong spot, but they are also the lone rep out of the MAC right now, and their only loss is to a Salisbury team that looks loaded this year, so time will tell on them.

And Buff St looks no better than mediocre, as does Ithaca at this point, so they do not impress me that much on Fisher's win list this year.  I'm not putting Fisher down, because if they win out, they will be right back towards the top, but when you get knocked down, you have to get back up and prove that you are worthy.  Springfield got knocked down, then they got knocked off, and didn't redeem themselves.

It's a long season, and the only teams that so far haven't had much of an opportunity to move anywhere but up, are RPI and Alfred(and maybe Curry, but they do this every year in that pathetic conference)and until they lose, that will be the case.

My favorite thing is that Husson got a vote.

Right.  With Hartwick beating SJF (and already beating IC, so you know its not a total fluke), things really dont seem the way they did before.

The only comparative scores/teams you can use at this point I would think are......

-Alfred smokes SC, while Montclair wins a close one.

-Union lost pretty bad to SC

-The MAC hasnt done anything impressive

-Montclair beat Wesley (does that put in question Wesley's high ranking?)

-SJF and IC lose to Hartwick (while Hartwick looks like a bottom 25 team with their other two games)

- The LL looks like they always do, nothing special in the regualar season, but usually prove in the postseason that they are on par with the NJAC, E8, and SUNY schools

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It looks like Alfred/Hobart is the only game left that might show us something between the east conferences.  (Im sure Im missing some games)