East Region Fan Poll

[superman57]

when you lose to Brockport you lose my respect...TGP I know that you are a Hobart fan...but how are Ithaca's loses different than Hobarts two losses...Ithaca got beat by one of the best teams in the nation in fisher and they lost a two point game on the road to a team that has suprised everyone...While hobarts two losses are two close losses but I think you put RPI and Fisher on the same field at this point in time fisher is a two touchdown favorite...

That's a big surprise that you feel that way beaing a Fisher fan.  Don't overlook RPI.  They tend to play down to the level of their opponents int he regular season, and a lot of times it bites them in the ass.  I wouldn't be so sure about that 'two touchdown' scenario.  That would mean you have to score 2 MORE touchdowns than the RPI offense.  Not an easy feat.  I mean, you lost to Hartwick?

Lew, I know that you don't play the game on paper, but RPI has yet to impress me.... and people were saying the same stuff about Union last year...and look what happened to the dutch when they came walkin up to Rochacha

That's because Union sucks.

niiiicee....+k

[Boxer7806]

as i see there is going to be no respect for any NEFC team until they can win a playoff game...and i have to agree no NEFC team should be included in the East poll if they have not beat anyone worth mentioning around the east... the only team to do that was WNEC and they are flat out one of the most embarrassing teams in the NEFC ...so i have no idea how that happended

[SJFF82]

Well when you lose to Hartwick you lose my respect.   

As one of the people that had TCNJ over FIsher, I think their entire body of work is better than that of Fisher's up to this point of the season (i.e they have beaten the #5 and #8 team on this poll, while Fisher has beaten, well no one on this poll).  And TCNJ's one loss? to undefeated Muhlenberg.  I think this puts them ahead of The cardinals.

Fisher's season last year can only take them so far this year, IMHO..

I will say, however that RPI would IMO probably lose to both FIsher and TCNJ, but at this point they are still undefeated and have been locked in at 2 on my voting for a few weeks. 

Why is it that a few posters feel that Fisher is somehow only as good as last year's run and that, that fact is important to their so-called ranking this year.

First, it was a great run last year, and should not be used as an excuse to rank them high this year.  If you think they are only the 4th best team in the East THIS year, then just say so.

Further, if voters are going to look to the past to justify this year's rankings, then please do not think that SJF just had some 'one-time' run last year.  Look back to oh, about 2002 and see their combined record since then.

[SJFF82]

I will say, however that RPI would IMO probably lose to both FIsher and TCNJ, but at this point they are still undefeated and have been locked in at 2 on my voting for a few weeks. 

So let me get this straight....you are acknowledging that SJF and TCNJ are better than RPI, but you still rank the 'lower' team higher??  Somebody revoke his voting rights please....  I do respect that ranking teams that most of us do not get the benefit of actually watching play is difficult but to say that one team beats the other, but the other is ranked higher when all else is essentially equal, is kind of odd.

[lewdogg11]

I will say, however that RPI would IMO probably lose to both FIsher and TCNJ, but at this point they are still undefeated and have been locked in at 2 on my voting for a few weeks. 

So let me get this straight....you are acknowledging that SJF and TCNJ are better than RPI, but you still rank the 'lower' team higher??  Somebody revoke his voting rights please....  I do respect that ranking teams that most of us do not get the benefit of actually watching play is difficult but to say that one team beats the other, but the other is ranked higher when all else is essentially equal, is kind of odd.

Dude, get over it!  If Fisher beat Hartwick, there would be no discussion.  They lost to Hartwick and now they are a question in a lot of people's eyes.  TCNJ lost, but in week 1, to a team that is obviously much better than Hartwick.  IF FIsher wins out, they will move up in EVERYONE's polls.  I think Fisher is better than Alfred, but until they beat Alfred, I can't rank them higher.

You Fisher guys are impossible to please...and a little hard-headed.

[AUPepBand]

I will say, however that RPI would IMO probably lose to both FIsher and TCNJ, but at this point they are still undefeated and have been locked in at 2 on my voting for a few weeks. 

So let me get this straight....you are acknowledging that SJF and TCNJ are better than RPI, but you still rank the 'lower' team higher??  Somebody revoke his voting rights please....  I do respect that ranking teams that most of us do not get the benefit of actually watching play is difficult but to say that one team beats the other, but the other is ranked higher when all else is essentially equal, is kind of odd.

You have the audacity to suggest the East Region Fan Poll could go on without pg04?
It's like the Gallup without George, the Harris Poll without Lou, or the Quinnipiac Poll without Mr. Quinnipiac....

[SJFF82]

I will say, however that RPI would IMO probably lose to both FIsher and TCNJ, but at this point they are still undefeated and have been locked in at 2 on my voting for a few weeks. 

So let me get this straight....you are acknowledging that SJF and TCNJ are better than RPI, but you still rank the 'lower' team higher??  Somebody revoke his voting rights please....  I do respect that ranking teams that most of us do not get the benefit of actually watching play is difficult but to say that one team beats the other, but the other is ranked higher when all else is essentially equal, is kind of odd.

Dude, get over it!  If Fisher beat Hartwick, there would be no discussion.  They lost to Hartwick and now they are a question in a lot of people's eyes.  TCNJ lost, but in week 1, to a team that is obviously much better than Hartwick.  IF FIsher wins out, they will move up in EVERYONE's polls.  I think Fisher is better than Alfred, but until they beat Alfred, I can't rank them higher.

You Fisher guys are impossible to please...and a little hard-headed.

You obviously did not read my post with any sort of comprehension.  I said nothing of Fisher being ranked lower than TCNJ (indeed they are not)...rather, I collectively wondered how one (PG04) could in the same sentence state that SJF and TCNJ are better than RPI, but that RPI is 'ranked' higher. 

You then proceed to utter the same sort of non-sense...Fisher is better than AU, but you "can't" rank them higher....that is absurd notwithstanding my personal belief that AU should be ranked #1.  You "can't" rank them higher?  Who says?  Pat?  D3.com?  The Pope?  "Fisher is better, but I can't rank them higher"  Repeat that a few times and then tell yourself if that makes any sense. 

I see that I am coming off as bitter about something, but I am not.  My initial post in response to this week's poll was just some simple questions about the rankings.  I then proceeded to address the responses I got and so far the only responses that I am getting is that "Fisher is better" but "I can't rank them higher" because I think that {insert Fisher poster here} is hard-headed.

For the record:  ALFRED
                         SJF
                         RPI
                         TCNJ
                         YO MAMMA

[SJFF82]

I will say, however that RPI would IMO probably lose to both FIsher and TCNJ, but at this point they are still undefeated and have been locked in at 2 on my voting for a few weeks. 

So let me get this straight....you are acknowledging that SJF and TCNJ are better than RPI, but you still rank the 'lower' team higher??  Somebody revoke his voting rights please....  I do respect that ranking teams that most of us do not get the benefit of actually watching play is difficult but to say that one team beats the other, but the other is ranked higher when all else is essentially equal, is kind of odd.

You have the audacity to suggest the East Region Fan Poll could go on without pg04?
It's like the Gallup without George, the Harris Poll without Lou, or the Quinnipiac Poll without Mr. Quinnipiac....

...or like suggesting that the AUpepband go on without the Pep

[SJFF82]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

[lewdogg11]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

Alright buddy, you want critical???

Hartwick 31
St. John Fisher 28

Alfred 46
Hartwick 36

Alfred 6-0
RPI 5-0
St. John Fisher 6-1
Hartwick 4-2

At THIS POINT(as this IS a weekly poll) in the season, Alfred deserves to be ranked ABOVE St. John Fisher.  I believe RPI is better than Alfred AND St. John Fisher, and the rest of the teams in the poll for that matter.  Therefore:

1.  RPI
2.  Alfred
3.  TCNJ
4.  St. John Fisher

Will Fisher beat Alfred?  Maybe.  If they do, they will rank above them.  Is Alfred better than TCNJ?  I don't know.  We might have a better idea in a few weeks.  Is RPI better than all 3?  I don't know, but at this point in the year, I think so, and until proven otherwise, that is how it is.

At the beginning of the year, I had Springfield ranked #1.  They proved us all wrong.  Then Fisher was 1st, and they lost.  They didn't lose to Ithaca, or Alfred, or even Springfield, but to Hartwick.  SO, if your comprehending all of that, they dropped, for the time being.  They still have the world in their hands if they win, and if deserving, they will get a number 1 vote from me at the end of the year.  But at this very moment in time, they are the 4th best team in the Region.

[dewcrew88]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

Alright buddy, you want critical???

Hartwick 31
St. John Fisher 28

Alfred 46
Hartwick 36

Alfred 6-0
RPI 5-0
St. John Fisher 6-1
Hartwick 4-2

At THIS POINT(as this IS a weekly poll) in the season, Alfred deserves to be ranked ABOVE St. John Fisher.  I believe RPI is better than Alfred AND St. John Fisher, and the rest of the teams in the poll for that matter.  Therefore:

1.  RPI
2.  Alfred
3.  TCNJ
4.  St. John Fisher

Will Fisher beat Alfred?  Maybe.  If they do, they will rank above them.  Is Alfred better than TCNJ?  I don't know.  We might have a better idea in a few weeks.  Is RPI better than all 3?  I don't know, but at this point in the year, I think so, and until proven otherwise, that is how it is.

At the beginning of the year, I had Springfield ranked #1.  They proved us all wrong.  Then Fisher was 1st, and they lost.  They didn't lose to Ithaca, or Alfred, or even Springfield, but to Hartwick.  SO, if your comprehending all of that, they dropped, for the time being.  They still have the world in their hands if they win, and if deserving, they will get a number 1 vote from me at the end of the year.  But at this very moment in time, they are the 4th best team in the Region.

I agree with all of that, but I have Fisher third. For basically the same reasons.

['gro]

lewdogg... YO MOMMA has never been ranked before this year, and they are #5 already!! Kinda like USF, congrats.

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[lewdogg11]

lewdogg... YO MOMMA has never been ranked before this year, and they are #5 already!! Kinda like USF, congrats.

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That's crap though, cause my mom shoul db ranked WAYYYY higher than that.  I change my poll....

1.  My momma
2.  RPI
3.  Alfred
4.  TCNJ
5.  Fish Sticks

[pg04]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

When did I ever get defensive about anything?  I haven't been on all day!  You are the one calling for people to have their votes revoked.

I thought my argument against Fisher was well thought-out.  Even Soopah agreed! 

As for RPI... I think they would probably be beaten by Fisher and TCNJ.  However, I have no proof to say that is the case.  Therefore, because of being undefeated and gliding through games, they have earned the 2 spot. 

I think you are the one who needs to cool down. 

[redswarm81]

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• AP voting guidelines . . . specifically tell you to, "base your vote on performance, not reputation or speculation." . . . Those same guidelines, however, also tell voters they shouldn't "hesitate to make significant changes in your ballot from week to week."

I don't recall reading any pg04 voting guidelines.

I enjoy reading the results and justifications of this DIII East Region Fan Poll, it's a nice down home example of how there are positive aspects of any poll's subjectivity, aspects that computer rankings can never quantify.  It also shows that there are often extreme negative aspects of subjectivity, such as the tendency to use reputation and/or speculation when analyzing teams' relative strength.

Ultimately, what I've found interesting is the marked difference between this poll, conducted by voters who bring a lot of personal experience and scrutiny to the teams in the poll, vs. the D3football.com poll, where it seems obvious that many voters place a large emphasis on reputation and/or speculation.  As a clear example, for two weeks now, Jr. Asst. Chief Guru K-Mack has mentioned that undefeated Muhlenberg (24) beat TCNJ (22) who beat Montclair St (15), who beat Wesley (10).  It is impossible to explain that particular uphill waterfall based on performance.

I'm happy that you guys are voting, I don't want to see any of your voting rights revoked.