East Region Fan Poll

[redswarm81]

I thought my argument against Fisher was well thought-out.  Even Soopah agreed! 

I confess that I've never studied logic formally at the university level.  However, I don't think that Soopah's agreement is a conclusion that necessarily follows from the premise of "well thought-out."

In fact, it's more likely that the opposite is true, don't you think? 

Good times.

[pg04]

I know, what was I thinking!

[Knightstalker]

lewdogg... YO MOMMA has never been ranked before this year, and they are #5 already!! Kinda like USF, congrats.

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That's crap though, cause my mom shoul db ranked WAYYYY higher than that.  I change my poll....

1.  My momma
2.  RPI
3.  Alfred
4.  TCNJ
5.  Fish Sticks

KS would rank it:
1. LD's Momma
2. RPI
3. Fish Sticks
4. Alfred
5. TCNJ

[FisherAlum05]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

Alright buddy, you want critical???

Hartwick 31
St. John Fisher 28

Alfred 46
Hartwick 36

Alfred 6-0
RPI 5-0
St. John Fisher 6-1
Hartwick 4-2

At THIS POINT(as this IS a weekly poll) in the season, Alfred deserves to be ranked ABOVE St. John Fisher.  I believe RPI is better than Alfred AND St. John Fisher, and the rest of the teams in the poll for that matter.  Therefore:

1.  RPI
2.  Alfred
3.  TCNJ
4.  St. John Fisher

Will Fisher beat Alfred?  Maybe.  If they do, they will rank above them.  Is Alfred better than TCNJ?  I don't know.  We might have a better idea in a few weeks.  Is RPI better than all 3?  I don't know, but at this point in the year, I think so, and until proven otherwise, that is how it is.

At the beginning of the year, I had Springfield ranked #1.  They proved us all wrong.  Then Fisher was 1st, and they lost.  They didn't lose to Ithaca, or Alfred, or even Springfield, but to Hartwick.  SO, if your comprehending all of that, they dropped, for the time being.  They still have the world in their hands if they win, and if deserving, they will get a number 1 vote from me at the end of the year.  But at this very moment in time, they are the 4th best team in the Region.

LewDogg,

Not all Fisher posters are hard headed.  Calm down.  Hard headed would be someone who thinks RPI is better than Fisher and Alfred.  They wouldn't be within 2 scores of either team, and we will see that when post season play begins.  IMHO, RPI would be lucky to finish 4th in the E8 this season. 

[superman57]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

Alright buddy, you want critical???

Hartwick 31
St. John Fisher 28

Alfred 46
Hartwick 36

Alfred 6-0
RPI 5-0
St. John Fisher 6-1
Hartwick 4-2

At THIS POINT(as this IS a weekly poll) in the season, Alfred deserves to be ranked ABOVE St. John Fisher.  I believe RPI is better than Alfred AND St. John Fisher, and the rest of the teams in the poll for that matter.  Therefore:

1.  RPI
2.  Alfred
3.  TCNJ
4.  St. John Fisher

Will Fisher beat Alfred?  Maybe.  If they do, they will rank above them.  Is Alfred better than TCNJ?  I don't know.  We might have a better idea in a few weeks.  Is RPI better than all 3?  I don't know, but at this point in the year, I think so, and until proven otherwise, that is how it is.

At the beginning of the year, I had Springfield ranked #1.  They proved us all wrong.  Then Fisher was 1st, and they lost.  They didn't lose to Ithaca, or Alfred, or even Springfield, but to Hartwick.  SO, if your comprehending all of that, they dropped, for the time being.  They still have the world in their hands if they win, and if deserving, they will get a number 1 vote from me at the end of the year.  But at this very moment in time, they are the 4th best team in the Region.

LD I'm gonna say lets agree to disagree.. I do not feel that RPI is better than fisher which is why I voted
1. Fisher
2. Alfred
3. RPI

I will be honest RPI has yet to impress me...and honestly the LL does not impress me this year...so for me the show me game will be the shooz...

[FisherAlum05]

Just to back up my argument against RPI a few posts back:

Its so hard to buy into RPI.  I realize they are 5-0.  But the LL is weak once again this season.  RPI was up only 14-0 on Utica in the 4th quarter.  RPI was down 10-7 against St. Lawrence and had to rally in the 4th quarter to win that one.  Look at what Alfred did to Utica and St. Lawrence.  They were up 35-0 on Utica at halftime, then called off the dogs.  They blew St. Lawrence out very badly. 

If Hobart can beat Alfred, the LL will gain more respect in my book.  This will also bode well for RPI since they beat the Statesmen. 

[redswarm81]

Its so hard to buy into RPI.  I realize they are 5-0.  But the LL is weak once again this season. . . . . 

If Hobart can beat Alfred, the LL will gain more respect in my book.  This will also bode well for RPI since they beat the Statesmen. 

This is a lot of fun to watch.  I can understand the knee-jerk reaction of anyone (not just an E8 homer) to claim that the Liberty League is weak, primarily because Union tripped and fell out of the starting gate, losing big to Springfield and Muhlenberg.  But that's only looking out, from within the LL.  The Empire 8, looking from the outside in, only undefeated Alfred makes any sense--but they have a tough stretch coming, against Hobart, Ithaca, and the mighty St. John Fishermen.

• Springfield, perennial power, is 3-3? 
• Upstart Hartwick beat Stagg Bowler SJF and reputation-heavy Ithaca (see below), but what's with the monkey stomp by 2-5 Western New England? 
• What is with SJF, anyway, losing to Hartwick? 
• Ithaca, whose name alone is worth a top 15 spot in any D3football.com preseason poll, has two E8 losses, and they've yet to face pretty maids Springfield, Alfred, and Cortland all in a row. 

Maybe from inside looking out the Empire 8 makes sense, but from here I can't make heads or tails of it.  Alfred and RPI have beaten all comers, and they have only one common opponent in St. Lawrence.

[union89]

Just to back up my argument against RPI a few posts back:

Its so hard to buy into RPI.  I realize they are 5-0.  But the LL is weak once again this season.  RPI was up only 14-0 on Utica in the 4th quarter.  RPI was down 10-7 against St. Lawrence and had to rally in the 4th quarter to win that one.  Look at what Alfred did to Utica and St. Lawrence.  They were up 35-0 on Utica at halftime, then called off the dogs.  They blew St. Lawrence out very badly. 

If Hobart can beat Alfred, the LL will gain more respect in my book.  This will also bode well for RPI since they beat the Statesmen. 

"But the LL is weak once again this season." 

Explain this one for me??  Last year, Union played the majority of the season without their #1 receiver (Angiletta) and with a very banged up #1 running back.  Hobart on the other hand lost by 2 to Rowan in the 1st round.  The year before, Union & Hobart both won 1st round games while RPI beat the E8's new flagship team SJF in the ECAC game.
 
Fisher guys hate to be called a flash in the pan program, but then have the balls to make statements like these.

[JQV]

Fisher guys hate to be called a flash in the pan program, but then have the balls to make statements like these.

Most of these Fisher guys don't know how to handle their success.  FA05 was on the Fisher team that got pounded 52-0 by IC's backups in 2001 and then he coached there.

Outside of the disoriented Fisher posters, I don't think anyone is bashing the LL.  In fact, I think the LL and E8 are pretty even over the last two or three years.

[AUKaz00]

• Upstart Hartwick beat Stagg Bowler SJF and suddenly mediocre Springfield, but what's with the monkey stomp by 2-5 Western New England? 

Hartwick hasn't faced Springfield yet; they beat Fisher and Ithaca.  And I'm not sure "mediocre" would then be the right word for a 4-2 Ithaca team.  The WNE loss is a real mind-bender though...

[union89]

Fisher guys hate to be called a flash in the pan program, but then have the balls to make statements like these.

Most of these Fisher guys don't know how to handle their success.  FA05 was on the Fisher team that got pounded 52-0 by IC's backups in 2001 and then he coached there.

Outside of the disoriented Fisher posters, I don't think anyone is bashing the LL.  In fact, I think the LL and E8 are pretty even over the last two or three years.

I hear 'ya........for the most part it's the Fisher guys.

[superman57]

Fisher guys hate to be called a flash in the pan program, but then have the balls to make statements like these.

Most of these Fisher guys don't know how to handle their success.  FA05 was on the Fisher team that got pounded 52-0 by IC's backups in 2001 and then he coached there.

Outside of the disoriented Fisher posters, I don't think anyone is bashing the LL.  In fact, I think the LL and E8 are pretty even over the last two or three years.

U89, no bashing the LL here...just as Lew is gonna be a LL homer, I am gonna think that Alfred or Fisher could easily beat Union or RPI or Hobart, I guess we will know soon enough.....


I hear 'ya........for the most part it's the Fisher guys.

[redswarm81]

• Upstart Hartwick beat Stagg Bowler SJF and suddenly mediocre Springfield, but what's with the monkey stomp by 2-5 Western New England? 

Hartwick hasn't faced Springfield yet; they beat Fisher and Ithaca.  And I'm not sure "mediocre" would then be the right word for a 4-2 Ithaca team.  The WNE loss is a real mind-bender though...

Well, I didn't describe Ithaca as mediocre, I described Springfield as suddenly mediocre.  Ithaca is better described as "presumptively overrated," by virtue of its well-deserved reputation. . . . established in the 70s and 80s, it seems to me.

I did goof by saying that Hartwick beat Springfield when I meant to say Hartwick beat Ithaca--but I always get those two Phys Ed schools Ithaca and Springfield mixed up.  My "d'oh!!"

I have corrected the original post.

[SJFF82]

Fisher guys hate to be called a flash in the pan program, but then have the balls to make statements like these.

Most of these Fisher guys don't know how to handle their success.  FA05 was on the Fisher team that got pounded 52-0 by IC's backups in 2001 and then he coached there.

Outside of the disoriented Fisher posters, I don't think anyone is bashing the LL.  In fact, I think the LL and E8 are pretty even over the last two or three years.

Pretty low to bash a guy's hard work...what team were you on Q?

[SJFF82]

BTW, PG04: I do not want your voting rights revoked...I appreciate the time it takes all the voters to analyze and vote...just have the stomach (LewDogg) to hear and process some critical responses...is not that why the poll gets published...or are we just supposed to stare at it and not comment

When did I ever get defensive about anything?  I haven't been on all day!  You are the one calling for people to have their votes revoked.

I thought my argument against Fisher was well thought-out.  Even Soopah agreed! 

As for RPI... I think they would probably be beaten by Fisher and TCNJ.  However, I have no proof to say that is the case.  Therefore, because of being undefeated and gliding through games, they have earned the 2 spot. 

I think you are the one who needs to cool down. 

PG:  Sorry you misunderstood my post...I was actually "taking-back" my comment about "revoking your voting rights" that was just in jest in the first place, but since Lew Dogg got defensive for you I thought I would apologize in advance...the balance of that post was not aimed at you...it was aimed at Lew Dogg....for whatever it is now worth a day later