East Region Fan Poll

[FisherAlum05]

RedSwarm,

I haven't seen RPI play this year, but are they better than Fisher?  I'm not so sure.  Hopefully we will find out in 3 or 4 weeks in the NCAA tournament. 

Also, I'm not so sure the U of R game will be easy for RPI.  They are a well coached team and their offense is starting to click from what I have heard.  For Fisher's sake I hope RPI wins, but U of R should give them a good game.

[union89]

Redswarm I'll tell you why RPI is not and should not be ranked ahead of Fisher...Look at their schedule. They have only beaten one good team in Hobart and if they played again right now I think Hobart would take them just like they took Alfred. RPI this year looks alot like Union did last year winning games (I'll give them credit they are winning) against weak teams by slim margins. This catches up to you towards the end of the season. We will see how RPI does in the next two weeks. They are clearly better than Rochester and are the favorite against the Dutchmen. I guess all I am saying is settle down. RPI's season starts this Saturday (with the exception of the Hobart game), lets see how they do. Higher than Fisher come on. Soon you'll be saying that RPI should be ranked in the top 20 in hockey after a tough win over Sacred Heart in OT. They got outplayed by Union last week and Union doesen't even give scholarships (aide to canadians does not equal 38,000 free rides). RPI fans always wanting to conquer the world.

I'll disagree with you on this one.  RPI is undefeated with a win over a very good Hobart team.  Fisher has 1 loss and really only one quality win over Ithaca.  RPI wins might not be pretty, but they have done everything asked of them to remain undefeated.....Fisher has not.  I have RPI ranked 1st in my poll followed by Fisher.

PS - I am not a LL homer either....Union has not been in my Top 10 and Hobart only entered my Top 10 last week.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Yeah Fisher did lose a game they shouldn't have, but look at all the other games they have played....They are all blowouts.  The U of R managed to keep it within 16 but Fisher vs. U of R is always a tough one, a rivalry game of sorts.  Nobody else besides U of R and obviously Hartwick has been able to stay within 3 touchdowns of Fisher.  Pretty sure RPI can't say the same.  Butttt I'm not saying RPI is a slouch either, just think how the conversations would go if Fisher did convert that 4th and goal at Hartwick or kicked the field goal and won it in overtime.  I don't think people would be questioning them at all as the number 1. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

Nevermind, the RPI blowouts are pretty comparable....I have no real argument.  Fisher and RPI both look good.

[redswarm81]

Redswarm I'll tell you why RPI is not and should not be ranked ahead of Fisher...Look at their schedule. They have only beaten one good team in Hobart and if they played again right now I think Hobart would take them just like they took Alfred.

I'm sure that you think Hobart would beat RPI, but you have to admit, all you know is that RPI did beat Hobart.  When you are evaluating teams and records in order to vote in a poll, how do you know when it's appropriate to vote for what you think would happen, especially when it contradicts what you know did happen?

RPI this year looks alot like Union did last year winning games (I'll give them credit they are winning) against weak teams by slim margins.  This catches up to you towards the end of the season.

Does that mean that Hobart, who just laid a beat-down on Al Fred, is a weak team?

We will see how RPI does in the next two weeks. They are clearly better than [5-3] Rochester and are the favorite against the [6-2] Dutchmen.

That's what you think, right? 

I guess all I am saying is settle down.  RPI's season starts this Saturday (with the exception of the Hobart game), lets see how they do.

Settle down from what?  I asked a question.

Higher than Fisher come on. Soon you'll be saying that RPI should be ranked in the top 20 in hockey after a tough win over Sacred Heart in OT.  They got outplayed by Union last week and Union doesen't even give scholarships (aide to canadians does not equal 38,000 free rides). RPI fans always wanting to conquer the world.

Hockey?  Who said anything about hockey?  Not only did I not say or imply anything about hockey, how is it that you think you know what I'll say next about hockey, when I haven't even mentioned hockey?

[union89]

Yeah Fisher did lose a game they shouldn't have, but look at all the other games they have played....They are all blowouts.  The U of R managed to keep it within 16 but Fisher vs. U of R is always a tough one, a rivalry game of sorts.  Nobody else besides U of R and obviously Hartwick has been able to stay within 3 touchdowns of Fisher.  Pretty sure RPI can't say the same.  Butttt I'm not saying RPI is a slouch either, just think how the conversations would go if Fisher did convert that 4th and goal at Hartwick or kicked the field goal and won it in overtime.  I don't think people would be questioning them at all as the number 1. 

IMO, doesn't matter how close....RPI took care of buisness EVERY time out.  Fisher took care of business every time but once.

On your other point, I had Fisher as my pre-season #1, so yes, if they beat Hartwick, they would most likely still be my #1.....They didn't, so they are not for me.

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East Region Fan Poll - Week 9 (10/29/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher ( 5 )	8-1	84	T2	Idle
2	RPI   ( 3 )	7-0	83	T2	vs. Rochester
3	New Jersey   ( 1 )	7-1	74	4	at Buffalo State
4	Hobart	6-2	60	6	at Union
5	Alfred	7-1	54	1	at #7 Ithaca
6	Albright	7-1	29	7	at Widener
7	Ithaca	6-2	26	10	vs. #5 Alfred
8	Hartwick	6-2	24	8	vs. Springfield
9	Curry	9-0	22	9	vs. Mass-Dartmouth
10	Cortland State	6-2	14	5	vs. Rowan

Other receiving votes: Union 9, Montclair State 7, Rochester 5, Middlebury 3, Widener 1

Dropped Out:  None


Voting Breakdown:

Fisher (2,1,1,2,1,3,1,3,1)
RPI (1,2,2,1,2,2,2,1,3)
TCNJ (5,3,3,3,3,1,3,2,2)
Hobart (3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,7)
Alfred (4,5,5,5,5,5,5,7,4)
Albright (-,7,8,7,-,6,6,4,10)
Ithaca (6,-,9,8,7,9,7,8,8)
Hartwick (-,6,6,6,8,8,8,-,-)
Curry (9,-,7,10,6,7,9,9,9)
Cortland State (10,8,-,9,9,-,-,10,6)
Union (-,9,10,-,-,-,10,6,-)
Montclair State (-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-,5)
Rochester (7,-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-)
Middlebury (8,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)
Widener (-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)

Here it is after an interesting week in the East.

A disturbing trend of 1 person not voting (it has not been the same person) each week continues.  Hence, once again there are only 9 votes this week

[redswarm81]

A disturbing trend of 1 person not voting (it has not been the same person) each week continues.  Hence, once again there are only 9 votes this week

You are prudent, as you're worried that you'll eventually become the 1 missing person.

Protect yourself.  One (compound) word:  Blackwater.

[dlippiel]

I mentioned earlier that the win over Hobart was the exception to RPI's weak early schedule. I think Hobart has really improved and is a better team now then when they played RPI. "Look at their schedule. They have only beaten one good team in Hobart..."  Should have left Hockey out of it, sorry. Sometimes bitterness thrives on both sides regarding the rivalry, this time it may have touched me a bit. Yet I still stand by that RPI should not be ahead of SJF in any poll. I think the d3 poll makes that clear with RPI still only ranked at 20 and SJF at 7. Well see what happens in the next two weeks.

[FisherAlum05]

Fisher # 1 in the East Region Fan Poll.  I like it. 

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MODIFIED East Region Fan Poll - Week 9 (10/29/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher ( 5 )	8-1	92	T2	Idle
	RPI   ( 3 )	7-0	92	T2	vs. Rochester
3	New Jersey   ( 2 )	7-1	84	4	at Buffalo State
4	Hobart	6-2	67	6	at Union
5	Alfred	7-1	58	1	at #7 Ithaca
6	Albright	7-1	35	7	at Widener
7	Ithaca	6-2	31	10	vs. #5 Alfred
8	Hartwick	6-2	24	8	vs. Springfield
9	Curry	9-0	22	9	vs. Mass-Dartmouth
10	Cortland State	6-2	15	5	vs. Rowan

Other receiving votes: Union 12, Montclair State 7, Rochester 5, Middlebury 3, Widener 1

Dropped Out:  None


Voting Breakdown:

Fisher (2,1,1,2,1,3,1,3,3,1)
RPI (1,2,2,1,2,2,2,1,2,3)
TCNJ (5,3,3,3,3,1,3,2,1,2)
Hobart (3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,4,7)
Alfred (4,5,5,5,5,5,5,7,7,4)
Albright (-,7,8,7,-,6,6,4,5,10)
Ithaca (6,-,9,8,7,9,7,8,6,8)
Hartwick (-,6,6,6,8,8,8,-,-,-)
Curry (9,-,7,10,6,7,9,9,-,9)
Cortland State (10,8,-,9,9,-,-,10,10,6)
Union (-,9,10,-,-,-,10,6,8,-)
Montclair State (-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-,-,5)
Rochester (7,-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-,-)
Middlebury (8,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)
Widener (-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)


Here it is after an interesting week in the East.

The 10th person got their vote in, so we have a complete poll, now/

[union89]

MODIFIED East Region Fan Poll - Week 9 (10/29/07)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	St. John Fisher ( 5 )	8-1	92	T2	Idle
	RPI   ( 3 )	7-0	92	T2	vs. Rochester
3	New Jersey   ( 2 )	7-1	84	4	at Buffalo State
4	Hobart	6-2	67	6	at Union
5	Alfred	7-1	58	1	at #7 Ithaca
6	Albright	7-1	35	7	at Widener
7	Ithaca	6-2	31	10	vs. #5 Alfred
8	Hartwick	6-2	24	8	vs. Springfield
9	Curry	9-0	22	9	vs. Mass-Dartmouth
10	Cortland State	6-2	15	5	vs. Rowan

Other receiving votes: Union 12, Montclair State 7, Rochester 5, Middlebury 3, Widener 1

Dropped Out:  None


Voting Breakdown:

Fisher (2,1,1,2,1,3,1,3,3,1)
RPI (1,2,2,1,2,2,2,1,2,3)
TCNJ (5,3,3,3,3,1,3,2,1,2)
Hobart (3,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,4,7)
Alfred (4,5,5,5,5,5,5,7,7,4)
Albright (-,7,8,7,-,6,6,4,5,10)
Ithaca (6,-,9,8,7,9,7,8,6,8)
Hartwick (-,6,6,6,8,8,8,-,-,-)
Curry (9,-,7,10,6,7,9,9,-,9)
Cortland State (10,8,-,9,9,-,-,10,10,6)
Union (-,9,10,-,-,-,10,6,8,-)
Montclair State (-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-,-,5)
Rochester (7,-,-,-,-,10,-,-,-,-)
Middlebury (8,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)
Widener (-,10,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-)


Here it is after an interesting week in the East.

The 10th person got their vote in, so we have a complete poll, now/

Damn you, LD11!!!!!

[redswarm81]

I still stand by that RPI should not be ahead of SJF in any poll. I think the d3 poll makes that clear with RPI still only ranked at 20 and SJF at 7. Well see what happens in the next two weeks.

Okay, but understand that your opinion appears to be based mostly on what you think will happen, not just on what you know has happened.

Don't be bitter, this is fun.  If I want bitter, I can just call my ex-wife.  These are the happy happy joy joy boards.

Do you think that Hartwick is a better team than RPI?  I find it hard to believe that RPI can beat Hobart, but not W(TF?)NEC.

[redswarm81]

I still stand by that RPI should not be ahead of SJF in any poll. I think the d3 poll makes that clear with RPI still only ranked at 20 and SJF at 7. 

If I'm reading you correctly, you just implied that the local East Region Fan Poll voters are using poor judgment to rank SJFisher and RPI equally.

Of course, as Junior Assistant Webmaster K-Mack has been pointing out, the D3football.com voters have been applying negative logic for several weeks with respect to several teams.  As of the latest poll, New Jersey is ranked higher than undefeated Muhlenberg, who gave New Jersey its only loss.  That result defies logic.

[SJFF82]

I still stand by that RPI should not be ahead of SJF in any poll. I think the d3 poll makes that clear with RPI still only ranked at 20 and SJF at 7. 

   That result defies logic.

Actually, that result just suggests that the voters think that TCNJ is better than the Mules.  If the Colts hand the Patriots their only loss next week does that automatically or even logically mean that the Colts are better?  I certainly would understand the argument, just would not necessarily agree with it.  There is no logic in ranking football teams....just opinions that are hopefully well substantiated