East Region Fan Poll

[phil]

Seven wins in a row for New Jersey while beating three nationally ranked teams along the way will get you noticed in the polls. They've only played one team with a losing record.  Muhlenberg hasn't played a team that was nationally ranked at the time all season — and the win against TCNJ back in August hasn't become very impressive until recently. I'd also hazard a guess that a few voters might think New Jersey has improved a bit during the last two months.

[SJFF82]

Seven wins in a row for New Jersey while beating three nationally ranked teams along the way will get you noticed in the polls. They've only played one team with a losing record.  Muhlenberg hasn't played a team that was nationally ranked at the time all season ? and the win against TCNJ back in August hasn't become very impressive until recently. I'd also hazard a guess that a few voters might think New Jersey has improved a bit during the last two months.

Like I said....an opinion that is well substantiated

[redswarm81]

I still stand by that RPI should not be ahead of SJF in any poll. I think the d3 poll makes that clear with RPI still only ranked at 20 and SJF at 7. 

   That result defies logic.

There is no logic in ranking football teams....just opinions that are hopefully well substantiated

Really?  NO logic?  Is that true?  Are D3Keith's poll musings in his ATN column devoid of logic?  He's mentioned for a month now that he voted Muhlenberg ahead of TCNJ ahead of Montclair State ahead of Wesley, when they were ranked in the opposite order on the D3football.com poll.

As I say, this is where I'm flawed--I can follow logic, because for the most part, it produces only one answer.  By not following logic, I can find an infinite number of answers.  But I never know which "not logic" to select from those infinite "not logic" choices.

[redswarm81]

RedSwarm,

I haven't seen RPI play this year, but are they better than Fisher?  I'm not so sure.  Hopefully we will find out in 3 or 4 weeks in the NCAA tournament. 

I haven't seen RPI play this year either, I've only listened a few times.  I do know that RPI hasn't lost a game to an opponent that they were expected to beat, whereas SJFisher cannot make that claim.

I have noticed from my streaming audio experiences is that RPI can be very slow starting, and has a tendency to play to the level of its competition.  However, it has managed to beat its competition every time.

Also, I'm not so sure the U of R game will be easy for RPI.  They are a well coached team . . .  For Fisher's sake I hope RPI wins, but U of R should give them a good game.

I agree.

[Knightstalker]

I need to change my poll.  I am going to use RS81 logic.  RPI is 1, Curry is 2, afteralll they are undefeated.   Then the rest in record order.
I have SJF ranked ahead of RPI due to the fact that SJF in my view has played a tougher schedule.  They lost to one of three teams that were off everyones radar before the season started.  No one expected anything from Hartwick, TCNJ and possibly Alfred. 

[redswarm81]

I have SJF ranked ahead of RPI due to the fact that SJF in my view has played a tougher schedule.  They lost to one of three teams that were off everyones radar before the season started.  No one expected anything from Hartwick, TCNJ and possibly Alfred. 

Okay, you've explained your thinking behind your vote.  That's good, that's pretty much all I was asking.

I am incapable of translating explanations when they're limited to "that's the way I feel."

Your view is that SJFisher has played a tougher schedule, and that tougher schedule outweighs the fact that they lost one game in that tougher schedule.  Glad to hear you're thinking about things, and not just acting on your feelings.

If I were to use your criteria, I'd try to design some sort of system for

• 1. gauging toughness of schedule, and
• 2. using that system to evaluate the margin of toughness between SJFisher's schedule and RPI's schedule.

I'd then have to devise some sort of scale, and use it to

• 3. measure the value of one loss in a tougher schedule v. undefeated in a less tough schedule, and
• 4. compare that value against the toughness margin that I calculated in step 2.

I don't remember which board it was, but someone mentioned the voting guidelines for the AP D-1 poll.  The message was to keep the poll performance-based, and not to rely on speculation or reputation.  Glad to see you put some thought into your vote.

(Now if I could just get posters to think about things before they start making snarky comments or hurling negative karma.)

[Knightstalker]

You are getting a little to caught up in semantics and are reading way too much into what people are posting.  That's the way I feel and in my view are pretty much the same thing.

['gro]

I have noticed from my streaming audio experiences is that RPI can be very slow starting, and has a tendency to play to the level of its competition.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on RPI football since 1997.   Many times have I seen them start slow and have a great 2nd half.

[realistic]

I agree with KS on both his criteria for SJF #1 and RPI #2 (what I had as well) and also the reasoning.  While I think we should all be able to explain our reasoning, because we have zero criteria (other than region) for our picks, somtimes gut feelings will come out in the poll...especially at the bottom.

That being said, props to PG04 again for making this happen.  It has been very interesting to see this shake out every week and I think we have gotten a very good pulse on the East Region (esp now with the 10th poll in and 92 pts for SJF and RPI)

As one who has missed a week or two, I apologize but this has been a great addition to PP in 2007.

[dlippiel]

The more I look at the east and how it has played out thus far I am really surprised. Redswarm made a good point somewhere earlier regarding SJF losing to Hartwick who lost to WNEC. When I think about this it is simply crazy how this happens. How does it happen? I know that the parity between D3 teams is maybe closer than we tend to think but how does or did Hartwick lose to WNEC adn beat SJF? I still think SJF is the top team in the region but...redswarm you made sense to me, if WNEC on anyday on earth beat SJF that means that RPI could definetly beat SJF. With a 7-0 record (again with only one quality win so far) RPI should be at #2. Yet I feel to show anyone including myself that they are a top team they must win the next two games. A loss at Rochester or Union would end the discussion of RPI being the best in the east or in my mind deserving of a pool C bid (unless it works out that they win the LL outright). Yet if they win both games in the next two weeks they must be given the consideration as number #1 in the east, they will have earned it. I hope they lose but if they win my hat will go off to them!

[union89]

The more I look at the east and how it has played out thus far I am really surprised. Redswarm made a good point somewhere earlier regarding SJF losing to Hartwick who lost to WNEC. When I think about this it is simply crazy how this happens. How does it happen? I know that the parity between D3 teams is maybe closer than we tend to think but how does or did Hartwick lose to WNEC adn beat SJF? I still think SJF is the top team in the region but...redswarm you made sense to me, if WNEC on anyday on earth beat SJF that means that RPI could definetly beat SJF. With a 7-0 record (again with only one quality win so far) RPI should be at #2. Yet I feel to show anyone including myself that they are a top team they must win the next two games. A loss at Rochester or Union would end the discussion of RPI being the best in the east or in my mind deserving of a pool C bid (unless it works out that they win the LL outright). Yet if they win both games in the next two weeks they must be given the consideration as number #1 in the east, they will have earned it. I hope they lose but if they win my hat will go off to them!

Dude, did you smoke about a pound of herb before you posted this rambling.....circling.....not sure where you were going message??

[dlippiel]

No, here is a hint, if you start at the beginning and finish at the end of what I wrote you will see where I am going. Come on I expect more from a fellow Union fan. Gourrier or Catellier who do you start on Sat?

[redswarm81]

No, here is a hint, if you start at the beginning and finish at the end of what I wrote you will see where I am going. Come on I expect more from a fellow Union fan.

It was the "Redswarm made a good point" and "redswarm you made sense to me" that U89's consciousness can't grasp, so he assumed you were in an altered state.

[union89]

No, here is a hint, if you start at the beginning and finish at the end of what I wrote you will see where I am going. Come on I expect more from a fellow Union fan. Gourrier or Catellier who do you start on Sat?

Good question, I think there are concerns with both, but I like Gourrier more......yourself?

[labart96]

No, here is a hint, if you start at the beginning and finish at the end of what I wrote you will see where I am going. Come on I expect more from a fellow Union fan. Gourrier or Catellier who do you start on Sat?

Good question, I think there are concerns with both, but I like Gourrier more......yourself?

I think Gourrier will have success if he can run.  Bart had a tough time containing 2 running QBs earlier in the year (Dickinson and CMU's).  Seems like the Hobart D has improved their rush defense, but AU's Hendrix's did rush for about 135 last week (albeit 46 of those yards came on 1 play about a minute into the game).

I think if Gourrier is forced to beat Hobart with his arm, Union is in trouble.  Bart has a strong defensive secondary (basically all experienced seniors with a knack for getting INTs) and Gourrier struggled passing (only 100 or so yards and 2 INTs) against a SLU passing defense that ranks 6th in the LL.