East Region Fan Poll

[dlippiel]

Tough call. I  and give Catellier a lot of credit because he brought Union back from 0-2 and lead them to win at Rochester. When I saw him play against WPI (until he got hurt) I thought he had tremendous poise in the pocket and made smart decisions with the football. The offense also seemed to gel with him, you could feel the momentum build when he moved the chains. Yet I think Gourrier has a ton of potential and can throw the ball well at times. I think last week was not a good indicator because he was playing in slop. It is a tough call. I think I would start with Catellier and then use Gourrier here and there to mix it up. Jared is such a good athelete Union must find a way to use him. I think Audino tends to get tunnel vision and has a hard time moving away from his planned O plays. For Jared you must work the run with success to build on the pass.

[union89]

No, here is a hint, if you start at the beginning and finish at the end of what I wrote you will see where I am going. Come on I expect more from a fellow Union fan. Gourrier or Catellier who do you start on Sat?

Good question, I think there are concerns with both, but I like Gourrier more......yourself?

I think Gourrier will have success if he can run.  Bart had a tough time containing 2 running QBs earlier in the year (Dickinson and CMU's).  Seems like the Hobart D has improved their rush defense, but AU's Hendrix's did rush for about 135 last week (albeit 46 of those yards came on 1 play about a minute into the game).

I think if Gourrier is forced to beat Hobart with his arm, Union is in trouble.  Bart has a strong defensive secondary (basically all experienced seniors with a knack for getting INTs) and Gourrier struggled passing (only 100 or so yards and 2 INTs) against a SLU passing defense that ranks 6th in the LL.

You hit it right on the head there TGP....If Union starts Gourrier, they are committing to the run to win.

[the_silly_goat]

u sucks

[SJFF82]

u sucks

u drunks?!

[labart96]

Congrats to TCNJ on winning the NJAC and the AQ.  Got my #1 vote.

[Jonny Utah]

Congrats to TCNJ on winning the NJAC and the AQ.  Got my #1 vote.

Yea Im gonna sneak SJF back up there.  Still not too impressed with what has gone on within the NJAC this year.  But I am going to say that this is the absoute tougheset week for ranking teams.

Where do I put Ithaca?  You could make an argument for them at #3, but you could also put 6 teams ahead of them as well (RPI, Hobart, Hartwick, Montclair, Widener, Albright)  In fact, it looks like a tier grouping for the east right now.  It really looks like the top 13 teams are equal and could all beat one another (Curry is still up in the air)

tier 1
SJF
TCNJ

tier 2
RPI
Hobart
Montclair
Cortland
Ithaca
Hartwick
Widener
Albright

tier 3
Union
Rochester
Alfred
Rowan

tier 4
Curry

[superman57]

how can wick be above alfred...when wick got smacked around by the saxons

[Jonny Utah]

how can wick be above alfred...when wick got smacked around by the saxons

Yea its not exact, you could put Hartwick in that 3rd tier too, or switch em.  And it doesnt appear that they got smacked around that bad........

[phil]

Still not too impressed with what has gone on within the NJAC this year.

Why? Because Rowan isn't at the top leaving everybody wondering who's number two in the East?

TCNJ is a great story this year after being picked to finish next to last in the NJAC. Rowan, despite their worst record in anyone's memory, still did a number on Widener. Then there was Montclair's victory at Wesley...

I'm not assuming TCNJ is a match for MUC or Whitewater — but I wouldn't discount the NJAC when compared to the other eastern conferences.

[Jonny Utah]

Still not too impressed with what has gone on within the NJAC this year.

Why? Because Rowan isn't at the top leaving everybody wondering who's number two in the East?

TCNJ is a great story this year after being picked to finish next to last in the NJAC. Rowan, despite their worst record in anyone's memory, still did a number on Widener. Then there was Montclair's victory at Wesley...

I'm not assuming TCNJ is a match for MUC or Whitewater — but I wouldn't discount the NJAC when compared to the other eastern conferences.

Well yea, there isnt a team like Rowan that is beating everyone by 40+ points every week.  Im just saying that the NJAC isnt the #1 conference in the east by a huge margin like they used to be.  It could be, but comparative scores dont show it to be.  All Im saying is that Im not totally sold on them yet.  Especially the 2-4 teams.

I mean, TCNJ hasnt been blowing teams out, and Im not sold on the MAC or Widener, nor am I sold on Wesley.  I mean those are good teams, but not any better than an RPI, SJF or Hobart.

Just thinking about Cortland losing to Brockport, Buff St staying close with TCNJ, Montclair squeeking by SC.......

[superman57]

lets not forget that Morrisville then went on to beat brockport

[DanPadavona]

You guys are selectively comparing scores.  Here are some other interesting selective scores:

Rowan 41 Widener 0
Western New England 48 Hartwick 21
Hartwick 17 Norwich 13
Brockport 21 Springfield 20
William Paterson 17 Wilkes 16

So I'm not sold on the Empire 8, particularly the potential champion to be, Hartwick.  And I'm not sold on the MAC winner being any better than the NEFC winner this season.  Don't forget Widener also lost convincingly to Wesley, who lost to Montclair (the 3rd place team in the NJAC).

[Jonny Utah]

You guys are selectively comparing scores.  Here are some other interesting selective scores:

Rowan 41 Widener 0
Western New England 48 Hartwick 21
Hartwick 17 Norwich 13
Brockport 21 Springfield 20
William Paterson 17 Wilkes 16

So I'm not sold on the Empire 8, particularly the potential champion to be, Hartwick.  And I'm not sold on the MAC winner being any better than the NEFC winner this season.  Don't forget Widener also lost convincingly to Wesley, who lost to Montclair (the 3rd place team in the NJAC).

Yea but I dont think anyone is saying that Hartwick is the best team in the league.  In fact, if you took a poll, Im sure most people would say Hartwick is the 4th best team in the league ahead of 5th best Springfield.  So I dont know why you have the Bport/SC score on there or the WP/Wilkes score.  I mean, you have Montclair (a pool C player) barely squeaking by the 5th best E8 team?  Again, all Im saying is that the NJAC is not heads above any other conference like they have been in past years.....

[phil]

Buffalo St. stayed close to TCNJ because TCNJ turned the ball over 4 times in the first half and still got away with a 7-0 lead — before dropping 20 on Buff St. in the 3rd Q. The Lions went into the game at +8 in the turnover department. It takes a decent team to lay a stinker like that on the road and still win by two TD's. TCNJ isn't going to blow people away with their offense. It's strictly ball control, field position and leave it up to the defense. This team won't play well from behind.

I actually wasn't inferring that the NJAC was the superior conference. I just took away from your post that you thought the NJAC might be a notch or two below the other eastern conferences this season — which I don't believe is the case.

[Jonny Utah]

Buffalo St. stayed close to TCNJ because TCNJ turned the ball over 4 times in the first half and still got away with a 7-0 lead — before dropping 20 on Buff St. in the 3rd Q. The Lions went into the game at +8 in the turnover department. It takes a decent team to lay a stinker like that on the road and still win by two TD's. TCNJ isn't going to blow people away with their offense. It's strictly ball control, field position and leave it up to the defense. This team won't play well from behind.

I actually wasn't inferring that the NJAC was the superior conference. I just took away from your post that you thought the NJAC might be a notch or two below the other eastern conferences this season — which I don't believe is the case.

No, I think all the conferences are pretty even.  I just thought the NJAC might not be as good as they appear.....we will find out soon enough.