East Region Fan Poll

[Caz Bombers]

My biggest thing is I can't see voting RPI 1.... they struggled with UTICA!!!!!!!

Agree, supah.  Also, I bet it's difficult for the fan poll voters to get their minds around the concept that Rowan isn't "Rowan" anymore - I know it is for me.  Are Del Val and maybe Kean too low?  DVC beating newjack superpower Wesley stunned me.  Does the poll have a subconscious upstate bias?

[pg04]

My biggest thing is I can't see voting RPI 1.... they struggled with UTICA!!!!!!!

Agree, supah.  Also, I bet it's difficult for the fan poll voters to get their minds around the concept that Rowan isn't "Rowan" anymore - I know it is for me.  Are Del Val and maybe Kean too low?  DVC beating newjack superpower Wesley stunned me.  Does the poll have a subconscious upstate bias?

I think the biggest snub is Delaware Valley...
2 Voters don't even have Del Val in the poll.  That definitely confuses me.  I have them 4th. They could even be highter.

[JQV]

newjack superpower Wesley

Outstanding.  +k plus one free dub sub courtesy of 899.

[DanPadavona]

It's easy to figure out JU.

RPI voter = hater

Cortland voter = C-State alum that is confused by the concept of a top ten list and attempted to rank it IC, Cortland, et al.  PG needs to account for these things...

Thanks for the vote of confidence Jose.  I ranked IC #1.

[Jonny Utah]

It's easy to figure out JU.

RPI voter = hater

Cortland voter = C-State alum that is confused by the concept of a top ten list and attempted to rank it IC, Cortland, et al.  PG needs to account for these things...

Thanks for the vote of confidence Jose.  I ranked IC #1.

Yea I could see voting Hobart, SJF, Del Val or IC #1.  I simply don't see an argument for any of those other teams.

[PBR...]

My biggest thing is I can't see voting RPI 1.... they struggled with UTICA!!!!!!!

Agree, supah.  Also, I bet it's difficult for the fan poll voters to get their minds around the concept that Rowan isn't "Rowan" anymore - I know it is for me.  Are Del Val and maybe Kean too low?  DVC beating newjack superpower Wesley stunned me.  Does the poll have a subconscious upstate bias?

I think the biggest snub is Delaware Valley...
2 Voters don't even have Del Val in the poll.  That definitely confuses me.  I have them 4th. They could even be highter.

exactly pg...not sure how u play a div I-AA team to within 1 td and beat the #3 team and not even receive any kind of votes in your region? they play the #6 ranked team this weekend, if they are able to pull off that win anyone not atleast giving them some consideration should have their voting right revoked and head examined....

[Knightstalker]

I didn't give Del Val a vote yet.  They were not in my preseason top 10, most teams have still only played 2 games and I really don't have enough to go on yet.  Del Val beat a 1-AA team but it was Iona and they are 1-AA in name only.  MSU used to beat them yearly, they are on a par with the middle of the pack East region D-III teams, to me not a big test.  The Wesley game was a big test, this week is a big test and will show where Del Val belongs. 

[PBR...]

I didn't give Del Val a vote yet.  They were not in my preseason top 10, most teams have still only played 2 games and I really don't have enough to go on yet.  Del Val beat a 1-AA team but it was Iona and they are 1-AA in name only.  MSU used to beat them yearly, they are on a par with the middle of the pack East region D-III teams, to me not a big test.  The Wesley game was a big test, this week is a big test and will show where Del Val belongs. 

fyi dvc didnt beat iona... also IF dvc beats salisbury where would you rank them (roughly since it would partly be based on how other teams do?)

[pg04]

I didn't give Del Val a vote yet.  They were not in my preseason top 10, most teams have still only played 2 games and I really don't have enough to go on yet.  Del Val beat a 1-AA team but it was Iona and they are 1-AA in name only.  MSU used to beat them yearly, they are on a par with the middle of the pack East region D-III teams, to me not a big test.  The Wesley game was a big test, this week is a big test and will show where Del Val belongs. 

fyi dvc didnt beat iona... also IF dvc beats salisbury where would you rank them (roughly since it would partly be based on how other teams do?)

I think the winner of Ithaca/Fisher will clearly be the #1 team next week, but then if Del Val wins against Salisbury they should be put at #2 -- and it could be said they should be #1 because Salisbury and Wesley would both be higher ranked than Ithaca/Fisher. 

[PBR...]

I didn't give Del Val a vote yet.  They were not in my preseason top 10, most teams have still only played 2 games and I really don't have enough to go on yet.  Del Val beat a 1-AA team but it was Iona and they are 1-AA in name only.  MSU used to beat them yearly, they are on a par with the middle of the pack East region D-III teams, to me not a big test.  The Wesley game was a big test, this week is a big test and will show where Del Val belongs. 

fyi dvc didnt beat iona... also IF dvc beats salisbury where would you rank them (roughly since it would partly be based on how other teams do?)

I think the winner of Ithaca/Fisher will clearly be the #1 team next week, but then if Del Val wins against Salisbury they should be put at #2 -- and it could be said they should be #1 because Salisbury and Wesley would both be higher ranked than Ithaca/Fisher. 

that is pbr's point in that dvc imho if they win this week somewhere in the top 3 but pbr's not sure how a voter 1 week cant give them a vote or consideration then turn around and put them in the top 3 the next week...not easy being a voter by any stretch

[Garnet]

based on U89 admitting he has IC @ 2 and that he dropped SJF from 3 to 4, one can see that he is the one ranking RPI @ 1.

My question to U89 is, WTF??

[superman57]

based on U89 admitting he has IC @ 2 and that he dropped SJF from 3 to 4, one can see that he is the one ranking RPI @ 1.

My question to U89 is, WTF??

u89 is still suffering from alcohol poisoning from this weekend... so he will be excused today...

[redswarm81]

So fisher wins a close game... in its rivalry game and gets dropped a slot... Cortland does the same thing and goes up a spot...

This is good food for thought.

I'm a big fan of rivalry games, and I've long believed that the outcome of rivalry games ought to be heavily discounted in poll placement.  In a true rivalry game, all bets are off, and relative strength of the teams aren't accurately demonstrated by the final score.

That said, how many Courage Bowl games have been played?  Is it in fact a big rivalry game?  I mean, do both teams get super-stoked about it?  Geographically, it makes sense that it might be a solid rivalry, since St. John FishChester have the same address, right?  It's a non-con game, does that figure in?  Hmmm, . . . the Cortaca Jug game is non-conference, but you don't get many better rivalry games than that (right, K-Mack?).

Same questions about the Cortland - Rowan game, but that's a conference game.  The rivalry hook couldn't be geography, since there's quite a distance and a state boundary (or two, depending on the route) between the schools.  I mean, is the WestConn - Rowan game as big as Cortland - Rowan?  If not, why not?

[theoriginalupstate]

That said, how many Courage Bowl games have been played?  Is it in fact a big rivalry game?  I mean, do both teams get super-stoked about it?  Geographically, it makes sense that it might be a solid rivalry, since St. John FishChester have the same address, right?  It's a non-con game, does that figure in?  Hmmm, . . . the Cortaca Jug game is non-conference, but you don't get many better rivalry games than that (right, K-Mack?).

My first post from my new desk at my new job, im so happy!

Anywho, 4 courage bowls have been played and the SJF-UR series is tied at 7-7 (SJF winning 7 in a row).  It isnt so much of a lengthy series between the two schools but it doesnt mean that these two schools dont share the same hatred for each other as IC-C-State.  Its a good 5,000 seat draw, not bad for such a short series.  The geographic location, the basketball thing between the two schools and the fact that UR thinks they are Ivy League all help the cause.  Both have rowdy student sections at home games that like to heckle, that adds even more to it as a player.  Ask All-american Noah Ferhenbach about his freshman year.  At the end of the first half he had a deep bomb bounce right off his facemask and the student section for UR went nuts.  They rode him the rest of the game with chancts and the bronx cheer when he caught a pass.  He wanted to get back at them big time and did so his senior year with 11rec, 200yds and 3 tds.

There has really only been one blowout recently and that was in 2005 when Noah and Robinson both had over 200yds (recieving and rushing, respectively). 

But it goes beyond the game now as the proceeds go to Camp Good Days, which is awesome. 

[JQV]

Ask All-american Noah Ferhenbach about his freshman year.  At the end of the first half he had a deep bomb bounce right off his facemask and the student section for UR went nuts.  They rode him the rest of the game with chancts and the bronx cheer when he caught a pass.  He wanted to get back at them big time and did so his senior year with 11rec, 200yds and 3 tds.

He was so mad he took a job coaching their WRs after graduating.  That will show them...