East Region Fan Poll

[labart96]

No problem man.  Get your poll in...errr...

uhhh.... you said.....heh heh heh heh

[redswarm81]

Redswarm -

The East is viewed as the weakest of all the regions, so we will only send a few teams out of B/C to the tournament.  Immediately, I would eliminate the Rowan-Montclair loser.  WPI isn't getting in (or at least, only 1 team between WPI and Hobart gets in), and I would be surprised if Husson was given a birth based on their lack of meaningful games.

I see a Wesley (or someone bigger) being imported into the East Region to fill out the bracket.

I agree.  East will get their 5 Pool A (LL, E8, NEFC, NJAC and MAC) bids and probably 1 Pool C (my best guess would be Montclair if they win out since their only loss would be to Cortland - still a big IF since Rowan is no push over) bid. 

Husson getting a B is a crap shoot.  No idea whether or not they will impress the committee?  If not, then the East possibly gets 1 one C (2nd place E8 team) and then the bracket is likely filled up by an incoming Muhlenberg or other conference champ (Wesley).

Speaking of the Mules, Dickinson almost knocked them off last Saturday (31-25).  If Muhlenberg does end up in the east, the score of yesterday's game should give the rest of the east bracket some hope.

The latest thinking on the Pool C board has the Montclair/Rowan winner AND Hartwick getting Pool C bids.  That, and the other thinking that Thomas More is moved to the North from the South, means Muhlenberg is more likely to stay in the South.  That leaves only one available spot in the East bracket.  Wesley could be moved in fairly easily, but they'd not be a high seed.

I would think that a first round game between RPI and Hartwick could be highly entertaining.

[theoriginalupstate]

Redswarm -

The East is viewed as the weakest of all the regions, so we will only send a few teams out of B/C to the tournament.  Immediately, I would eliminate the Rowan-Montclair loser.  WPI isn't getting in (or at least, only 1 team between WPI and Hobart gets in), and I would be surprised if Husson was given a birth based on their lack of meaningful games.

I see a Wesley (or someone bigger) being imported into the East Region to fill out the bracket.

I agree.  East will get their 5 Pool A (LL, E8, NEFC, NJAC and MAC) bids and probably 1 Pool C (my best guess would be Montclair if they win out since their only loss would be to Cortland - still a big IF since Rowan is no push over) bid. 

Husson getting a B is a crap shoot.  No idea whether or not they will impress the committee?  If not, then the East possibly gets 1 one C (2nd place E8 team) and then the bracket is likely filled up by an incoming Muhlenberg or other conference champ (Wesley).

Speaking of the Mules, Dickinson almost knocked them off last Saturday (31-25).  If Muhlenberg does end up in the east, the score of yesterday's game should give the rest of the east bracket some hope.

The latest thinking on the Pool C board has the Montclair/Rowan winner AND Hartwick getting Pool C bids.  That, and the other thinking that Thomas More is moved to the North from the South, means Muhlenberg is more likely to stay in the South.  That leaves only one available spot in the East bracket.  Wesley could be moved in fairly easily, but they'd not be a high seed.

I would think that a first round game between RPI and Hartwick could be highly entertaining.

As long as RPI smacks them around I'd find it entertaining as well...

[redswarm81]

East Region Fan Poll - Week 8 (10/27/08)

#	School (1st votes)	Record	Pts	Prev.	This Week
1	Cortland State ( 9 )	7-0	99	1	at New Jersey
2	RPI ( 1 )	6-0	89	2	vs. Union
3	Ithaca	6-1	78	3	vs, Springfield
4	Hartwick	5-1	59	4	vs. Norwich
5	Rowan	6-1	49	8	vs. Kean
6	Montclair State	6-1	48	6	at Western Connecticut
7	St. John Fisher	5-3	42	7	at Utica
8	Hobart	5-1	32	9	vs. #9 WPI
9	WPI	6-1	19	T10	at #8 Hobart
10	Lycoming	5-2	12	NR	at FDU-Florham

as a point of comparison - note the NCAA East Region rankings:

EAST REGION
1. Cortland State 7-0 7-0
2. RPI 5-0 6-0
3. Ithaca 5-1 6-1
4. Montclair State 6-1 6-1
5. Rowan 6-1 6-1
6. Hartwick 5-1 5-1
7. Worcester Polytech 6-1 6-1
8. Hobart 5-1 5-1
9. Plymouth State 5-1 7-1
10. Husson 6-0 6-2

Once again, the d3football.com Top 25 Poll voters disagree with the East Region Fan Poll voters, over the relative standing  of RPI and Ithaca.  This time, they also disagree with the NCAA Selection Committee.

After Week 8, 6 points separated RPI and Ithaca in the d3football.com poll.  Week 9, 40 points separate the two teams.

[labart96]

but ithaca is 18 and rpi is 20...that's not a big difference in my opinion.  nice to see some east region schools getting into the top 20.

[redswarm81]

but ithaca is 18 and rpi is 20...that's not a big difference in my opinion.  nice to see some east region schools getting into the top 20.

Well, of course Cortland St. has been at no. 7 for a couple of weeks now, but it's interesting how in the East Region Fan Poll, there's a wider gap between RPI and Ithaca than the gap between Cortland and RPI.

The d3football.com poll voters not only have the order reversed, but they have that reverse order gap widening.

[labart96]

but ithaca is 18 and rpi is 20...that's not a big difference in my opinion.  nice to see some east region schools getting into the top 20.

Well, of course Cortland St. has been at no. 7 for a couple of weeks now, but it's interesting how in the East Region Fan Poll, there's a wider gap between RPI and Ithaca than the gap between Cortland and RPI.

The d3football.com poll voters not only have the order reversed, but they have that reverse order gap widening.

In that line of thought - RT asked Keith McMillan a similar question about polls and why teams fall here and there - on ITH tonight.

Check it out:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LLRecap

[lewdogg11]

The voters must have some huge rods for Salisbury too.  7-2, lost to Delaware Valley and Wesley, and SJF took them 4OTs, but they are still holding a 17 ranking with no real notable wins other than Christopher Newport who has beaten no one.

['gro]

Case Western still floating in the middle of the poll.  Gro thinks there are plenty of teams ranked below them that could beat them (Ithaca, RPI, hell probably Hobart).  If Case gets a pool B bid, import them to the east!

[redswarm81]

The voters must have some huge rods for Salisbury too.  7-2, lost to Delaware Valley and Wesley, and SJF took them 4OTs, but they are still holding a 17 ranking with no real notable wins other than Christopher Newport who has beaten no one.

I hear lots of SoS/OWP/OOWP explanations for poll votes.  By those standards the no. 9 ranking of Washington & Jefferson, and the no. 14 for Trinity (TX) were insane--both W&J and Trinity had lower OWP/OOWP numbers than Husson (6-0 in D-III), who didn't get a single vote.

[Knightstalker]

The voters must have some huge rods for Salisbury too.  7-2, lost to Delaware Valley and Wesley, and SJF took them 4OTs, but they are still holding a 17 ranking with no real notable wins other than Christopher Newport who has beaten no one.

I hear lots of SoS/OWP/OOWP explanations for poll votes.  By those standards the no. 9 ranking of Washington & Jefferson, and the no. 14 for Trinity (TX) were insane--both W&J and Trinity had lower OWP/OOWP numbers than Husson (6-0 in D-III), who didn't get a single vote.

The SoS/OWP/OOWP is used by the NCAA, I can't speak for Pats voters but I think if some do use them they also used common sense and realize that Husson would get destroyed by most of the .500 teams in the East region.

[pg04]

Still one more ranking to get in but compiling the data through 9 posters, I can't say I've seen a bigger drop ever for a team that actually won their game... Amazing!

[superman57]

Still one more ranking to get in but compiling the data through 9 posters, I can't say I've seen a bigger drop ever for a team that actually won their game... Amazing!

in the SJF ranking I was against dropping fisher as far as we did for winning, but in the end I got something I wanted in the poll and upstate got his...

[theoriginalupstate]

Still one more ranking to get in but compiling the data through 9 posters, I can't say I've seen a bigger drop ever for a team that actually won their game... Amazing!

in the SJF ranking I was against dropping fisher as far as we did for winning, but in the end I got something I wanted in the poll and upstate got his...

Im sorry but they were horrible...

[fisheralum91]

upstate i think that horrible is a bit of a stretch