East Region Fan Poll

[JQV]

wow I have a hard time seeing fisher dropping completely out of the poll for winning a game... and lets remember they played bad... but it was against an old coach... and HELLO they won the fing game...

Why is that every time Fisher wins a game, all that matters is that they won, and we are supposed to ignore who they played and how they played, but every time they lose, we have to ignore the actual loss and give them a pass because it was against a good team and it was close?

You can't have it both ways. If you want credit for giving Mount Union their closest game of the year, and taking Salisbury to 4 OT's--which a lot of you do--then you have to be held accountable for having a difficult time putting away Utica, Rochester and Springfield, all of whom are horrible

Best post of the year.

+k.

[AUPepBand]

wow I have a hard time seeing fisher dropping completely out of the poll for winning a game... and lets remember they played bad... but it was against an old coach... and HELLO they won the fing game...

Why is that every time Fisher wins a game, all that matters is that they won, and we are supposed to ignore who they played and how they played, but every time they lose, we have to ignore the actual loss and give them a pass because it was against a good team and it was close?

You can't have it both ways. If you want credit for giving Mount Union their closest game of the year, and taking Salisbury to 4 OT's--which a lot of you do--then you have to be held accountable for having a difficult time putting away Utica, Rochester and Springfield, all of whom are horrible

Silly Bomber, because it's Fisher!!

+K

[superman57]

I have no problem dropping fisher to 10 or 9 after that win, but guess what the object is to fing win the game.. doesn't matter if it's pretty or not win the fing game

Ithaca fans would be calling the same sheninigans as would alfred fans if it happend to them

I mean how do you rank Alfred above Fisher... who has Alfred beaten... Alfred and fisher share a loss, and Alfreds other loss is to Uri whatever...

[AUPepBand]

I have no problem dropping fisher to 10 or 9 after that win, but guess what the object is to fing win the game.. doesn't matter if it's pretty or not win the fing game

Ithaca fans would be calling the same sheninigans as would alfred fans if it happend to them

I mean how do you rank Alfred above Fisher... who has Alfred beaten... Alfred and fisher share a loss, and Alfreds other loss is to Uri whatever...

Supes: it happens all the time to Alfred...this Alfred fan has learned that until the day comes when they place all the polls out on the field during the game as obstacles to lower- or un-ranked teams, they really mean nothing. Heck, AU is 6-1 in-region. A season-opening loss to a weak Ursinus team has had a damning effect on the Saxons all season. Oh well. AU will still suit up and play Ithaca and Fisher at Merrill Field. And we'll see what happens. Cheers!!

Stay tuned....and have the fight song ready!
On Saxon Warriors!

[Bombers798891]

I have no problem dropping fisher to 10 or 9 after that win, but guess what the object is to fing win the game.. doesn't matter if it's pretty or not win the fing game

Ithaca fans would be calling the same sheninigans as would alfred fans if it happend to them

I mean how do you rank Alfred above Fisher... who has Alfred beaten... Alfred and fisher share a loss, and Alfreds other loss is to Uri whatever...

But again, that's not the logic some SJF fans use when they lose. When they do, we always hear "Well, come on, it's the closest game MUC has played all season," or "We took Salisbury to 4 OT's" or "The Hartwick game was close" SJF fans expect to be given style points for their teams' losses against good teams, but get upset when they lose style points for squeaking out a victory against poor teams. All I'm saying is, be consistent with the rules you want applied

I can see that argument for Fisher to be over Alfred...Alfred hasn't really beaten anyone and their second loss was not to a great team. It is worth noting however, that the shared loss occured at home for SJF and on the road for Alfred. To me, however, SJF's win over IC puts them ahead of Alfred. I don't think either team is particurally strong, but if I had to pick one team to win, it would be SJF.

I'd like to quote Kirk Herstriedt's (sp?) message to fans on the D-1 poll situation:

"Relax. This thing is going to change. There's a lot of football left." At this point, Alfred's standing will be determined in two weeks anyway.

That being said, my post was more about general complaints (Not necessarily yours) about how people interpret losses and wins for this specific Fisher team

[AUPepBand]

Now Pep will be first to admit that Alfred-UR are not a rivalry like Fisher-UR, but the Saxons went into Fauver and did pretty much whatever they wanted to do, rolling to a 33-0 halftime lead. And, the overworked AU Pep Band was pulling tunes out of its kazoo for every Saxon first down, thrice through the fight song on every score, and, quite frankly, by halftime Lil ALf's eight-piece band was a bit tuckered out! The band received occasional glares from UR players on the sidelines behind which the band was seated.

Now U of R had about 30 pieces in its Pep Band and the Yellowjackets had little reason to play in the first half. Nevertheless, they were most hospitable and came over and chatted with the band prior to the game and at halftime. And, they put on a great performance, which AU band members thoroughly enjoyed. Pep is hoping that the UR band will make the trip to Merrill Field next season so the AU Pep Band can return the geniality.

[HHawks]

I have no problem dropping fisher to 10 or 9 after that win, but guess what the object is to fing win the game.. doesn't matter if it's pretty or not win the fing game

Ithaca fans would be calling the same sheninigans as would alfred fans if it happend to them

I mean how do you rank Alfred above Fisher... who has Alfred beaten... Alfred and fisher share a loss, and Alfreds other loss is to Uri whatever...

After seeing Hartwick play both Fisher and Alfred, i would definitely Rank Alfred above Fisher this season. They play much better defense and is way more disciplined.

[fisheralum91]

wow- thanks for that insight--

[Knightstalker]

I had SJF at 7 last week, they dropped off my poll this week.  In fact my 7, 8 and 9 teams all dropped off, SJF, Kean and WPI.  I also don't have Team Boltus ranked.  I thought the Fisher win was impressive, I no longer think it is impressive.  TB got MS'ed by Ithaca and have not impressed outside the win against Alfred which was a close game.  I have Lyco, Albright and B-Port debutting in my poll this week.  I feel that the 4th place MAC, LL and NJAC teams are better than SJF or TB this season.  My number 10 came down to B-Port and Alfred and I decided that B-Port was slightly more deserving at this point, of course after playing Cortland it could change.

[redswarm81]

I had SJF at 7 last week, they dropped off my poll this week.  In fact my 7, 8 and 9 teams all dropped off, SJF, Kean and WPI.  I also don't have Team Boltus ranked.  I thought the Fisher win was impressive, I no longer think it is impressive.  TB got MS'ed by Ithaca and have not impressed outside the win against Alfred which was a close game.  I have Lyco, Albright and B-Port debutting in my poll this week.  I feel that the 4th place MAC, LL and NJAC teams are better than SJF or TB this season.  My number 10 came down to B-Port and Alfred and I decided that B-Port was slightly more deserving at this point, of course after playing Cortland it could change.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote.

How do you explain SJF's domination of Ithaca?

[Knightstalker]

I had SJF at 7 last week, they dropped off my poll this week.  In fact my 7, 8 and 9 teams all dropped off, SJF, Kean and WPI.  I also don't have Team Boltus ranked.  I thought the Fisher win was impressive, I no longer think it is impressive.  TB got MS'ed by Ithaca and have not impressed outside the win against Alfred which was a close game.  I have Lyco, Albright and B-Port debutting in my poll this week.  I feel that the 4th place MAC, LL and NJAC teams are better than SJF or TB this season.  My number 10 came down to B-Port and Alfred and I decided that B-Port was slightly more deserving at this point, of course after playing Cortland it could change.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote.

How do you explain SJF's domination of Ithaca?

I think SJF is starting to look at Ithaca as a real rivalry and they get up for the Bombers.

[labart96]

TGP can't speak for KS but here's a take from this voter's POV (I also dropped SJF out this week and actually moved IC up to #2 in my poll):

SJF and IC played 5 weeks ago.

Since then, SJF has gone 3-2 and IC 4-0.  IC has dominated every game since falling apart mid-3rd qtr on against Fisher.

IC has averaged close to 43 PPG on offense while holding their opponents to about 10 pts a game on D.

While IC has stomped their opposition and is on course to win the E8, SJF has struggled to defeat mediocre teams like Springfield (by 3) and Utica (by 7).  IC has better OWP and is should get some credit for beating team's like 'Wick and Lyco (both potentally NCAA Pool A and C teams).

That was my thought process, for what it's worth.

[Bombers798891]

TGP can't speak for KS but here's a take from this voter's POV (I also dropped SJF out this week and actually moved IC up to #2 in my poll):

SJF and IC played 5 weeks ago.

Since then, SJF has gone 3-2 and IC 4-0.  IC has dominated every game since falling apart mid-3rd qtr on against Fisher.

IC has averaged close to 43 PPG on offense while holding their opponents to about 10 pts a game on D.

While IC has stomped their opposition and is on course to win the E8, SJF has struggled to defeat mediocre teams like Springfield (by 3) and Utica (by 7).  IC has better OWP and is should get some credit for beating team's like 'Wick and Lyco (both potentally NCAA Pool A and C teams).

That was my thought process, for what it's worth.

Well put. Teams go up and down during the course of the season. You can't compare IC week 4 to IC week now. Look at last season. They were 2-2 and then they just sat there ripping off 40-point games.

[redswarm81]

TGP can't speak for KS but here's a take from this voter's POV (I also dropped SJF out this week and actually moved IC up to #2 in my poll):

SJF and IC played 5 weeks ago.

Since then, SJF has gone 3-2 and IC 4-0.  IC has dominated every game since falling apart mid-3rd qtr on against Fisher.

IC has averaged close to 43 PPG on offense while holding their opponents to about 10 pts a game on D.

While IC has stomped their opposition and is on course to win the E8, SJF has struggled to defeat mediocre teams like Springfield (by 3) and Utica (by 7).  IC has better OWP and is should get some credit for beating team's like 'Wick and Lyco (both potentally NCAA Pool A and C teams).

That was my thought process, for what it's worth.

That makes sense (when discussing  E8 v.2008 the phrase "makes sense" must be interpreted very creatively).  It also explains how the gap between ERFP no.2 and no. 3 tightened this week.

[pg04]

I actually still have Fisher in the Poll  at #8.  I dropped them from 5 to 8.  It's becoming harder and harder to advocate them being in my top 10 anymore though...