Pool C -- 2007

[admirals_vt]

As Tony K. would say "thats it that's the list"

[smedindy]

I don't think you can do it that way. No way three SCIAC teams go, since two of them play each other and I think Linfield would get a bid before either Redlands or Oxy. Of course, this means Linfield will be a "B" migrating to a "C"

If Bethel becomes a "C" team they have two losses.

[admirals_vt]

But no more than a team or two tweak from that. Everything else is pure wish upon a star.

Of course without that what the heck we going to talk about.

[Ralph Turner]

There is too much football left for us to make anything of this.

Unless a team has mathematically captured the AQ, I don't think that a team in the Regional Rankings can afford to lose a game, becuase you are likely to fall all of the way out of the playoffs.

[old ends]

that's the list up until this saturdays games are played. Then to the victors go the spoils, that is until the next week.

[redswarm81]

Apparently the SCIAC three-way tiebreaker is the Rose Bowl Rule, which would favor Cal Lu.

The "Rose Bowl Rule" is "whoever's had the longest drought wins," right?

I wonder how that works when at least two of the three have never attended the playoffs, or never won the conference.

Then you would eliminate the team that has ever won the conference, take the two remaining teams that never have and go back up to the first tiebreaker, head-to-head result.

I guess that's "yes" to my working definition of the "Rose Bowl Rule."

[short]

East Region
No. Name In-Region Overall
1. RPI 7-0 7-1                               LL
2. New Jersey 7-1 7-1                NJAC
3. Curry 9-0 9-0                         NEFC
4. St. John Fisher 8-1 8-1           E8
5. Albright 7-1 7-1                      MAC
Alfred 7-1 7-1                          Pool C    E8 At Ithaca, at SJF       
Hobart 6-2 6-2                        Pool C    LL  At Union, at Rochester 2 L's already
Union 5-2 5-2                          Pool C    LL  At Hobart, at RPI
Cortland State 5-2 6-2           Pool C   NJAC Rowan, at Ithaca 2 L's already
Widener 5-2 6-2                   Pool C   MAC  Albright, at Wilkes 2 L's already

(How many fans has Ithaca picked up from other Pool C teams this afternoon?  Wink )

North Region
No. Name In-Region Overall
1. Mount Union 8-0 8-0                       OAC
2. Wheaton (Ill.) 8-0 8-0                      CCIW
3. Wabash 8-0 8-0                                NCAC
4. Case Western Reserve 6-0 8-0        UAA Pool B #2  Wash U, Ohio Wesleyan
5. Franklin 7-1 7-1                                 HCAC
6. Mount St. Joseph 7-1 7-1                   Pool C  HCAC  At Bluffton, Thomas More
Capital 6-2 6-2                                   Pool C  OAC  At Muskingum, BWC 2 L's already
Wittenberg 6-2 6-2                            Pool  C  NCAC  At Allegheny, Hiram 2 L's already
Illinois Wesleyan 6-2 6-2                   Pool C  CCIW  At NCC, Wheaton 2 L's already
NC 6-2 2 L's already

NR  Concordia WI                                   IBC
NR  Hope                                                MIAA

South Region
No. Name In-Region Overall
1. Washington and Jefferson 5-0 8-0        Pres AC
2. Wesley 6-1 8-1                                      Pool B #1  at Morrisville State
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor 7-1 7-1                    ASC
4. Muhlenberg 8-0 8-0                               CC
5. Salisbury 4-1 8-1                                    Pool B #3  Frostburg St at Annapolis
6. Waynesburg 6-1 7-1                              Pool C  Pres AC  Geneva, at Westminster PA
7. Trinity (Texas) 6-1 7-1                            SCAC
8. Randolph-Macon 7-1 7-1                        ODAC
Ursinus 6-1 7-1                                       Pool C  CC Muhlenberg, at Dickinson
Hampden-Sydney 5-2 6-2                     Pool C  ODAC   Huntingdon, at RMC

NR  NCWC                                                   USAC

West Region
No. Name In-Region Overall
1. UW-Whitewater 7-0 7-1                  WIAC
2. St. John's 8-0 9-0                             MIAC                                 
3. Central 8-0 9-0                                IIAC
4. St. Norbert 8-0 9-0                           MWC
Bethel 7-1 7-1                                  Pool C MIAC  Augsburg at Metrodome, SJU
Wartburg 8-1 8-1                             Pool C IIAC  at Cornell, Central
5. Linfield 4-1 5-2                                  Pool B/C  NWC at Whitworth, L&C
6. Occidental 6-1 6-1                            Pool C SCIAC (CLU has tie-breaker) Chapman, at Whittier
7. Redlands 6-1 7-1                              Pool C SCIAC Whittier, at CLU
8. Whitworth 6-1 6-2                          Pool B/C  Linfield, at Puget Sound

NR  Cal Lutheran                                            SCIAC  at PP, Redlands

If all the higher ranked teams win someone will get in with 2 Loses.  And If there are some upsets a few 2 loses teams might get in. 

[smedindy]

I do think that if Curry loses the NEFC title they won't get a "C" even with one loss.

[K-Mack]

Apparently the SCIAC three-way tiebreaker is the Rose Bowl Rule, which would favor Cal Lu.

The "Rose Bowl Rule" is "whoever's had the longest drought wins," right?

I wonder how that works when at least two of the three have never attended the playoffs, or never won the conference.

Don't know if this has been answered already, but they knock out the one team who has been, then take the h2h winner from the final two.

What would be interesting is if all three teams had never been. Don't know what conference that would apply to, certainly Oxy and Redlands have each been in the expanded system.

[K-Mack]

Apparently the SCIAC three-way tiebreaker is the Rose Bowl Rule, which would favor Cal Lu.

The "Rose Bowl Rule" is "whoever's had the longest drought wins," right?

I wonder how that works when at least two of the three have never attended the playoffs, or never won the conference.

Then you would eliminate the team that has ever won the conference, take the two remaining teams that never have and go back up to the first tiebreaker, head-to-head result.

I see we've handled this.

Don't allow me to get your goad, people. 

[K-Mack]

I don't think you can do it that way. No way three SCIAC teams go, since two of them play each other and I think Linfield would get a bid before either Redlands or Oxy. Of course, this means Linfield will be a "B" migrating to a "C"

While I really like the NWC champ's chance to make it as a B/C, I don't think you can simply assume Linfield will get in over Redlands. They will have a common opponent in Whitworth, and if Linfield struggles but wins, I'm not sure how that factors in, but common opponents is a criteria/-on. (I have no idea which is the singular/plural form of criteria )

[smedindy]

I don't think you can do it that way. No way three SCIAC teams go, since two of them play each other and I think Linfield would get a bid before either Redlands or Oxy. Of course, this means Linfield will be a "B" migrating to a "C"

While I really like the NWC champ's chance to make it as a B/C, I don't think you can simply assume Linfield will get in over Redlands. They will have a common opponent in Whitworth, and if Linfield struggles but wins, I'm not sure how that factors in, but common opponents is a criteria/-on. (I have no idea which is the singular/plural form of criteria )

However, three teams from the SCIAC is a bit much, don't ya think? But in rethinking, perhaps Linfield / Occidental / Redlands will then be competing with the likes of Capital, Wittenberg, Hobart / Union, Bethel (if they lost to St. John's), Wartburg (if they lose to Central).

Ack, it's enough to make your head asplode.

[MonroviaCat]

Prety soon we'll have to have a playoff to determine who makes the Playoffs! 

[Just Bill]

Prety soon we'll have to have a playoff to determine who makes the Playoffs! 

In basketball, they call those "conference tournaments"

[K-Mack]

I don't think you can do it that way. No way three SCIAC teams go, since two of them play each other and I think Linfield would get a bid before either Redlands or Oxy. Of course, this means Linfield will be a "B" migrating to a "C"

While I really like the NWC champ's chance to make it as a B/C, I don't think you can simply assume Linfield will get in over Redlands. They will have a common opponent in Whitworth, and if Linfield struggles but wins, I'm not sure how that factors in, but common opponents is a criteria/-on. (I have no idea which is the singular/plural form of criteria )

However, three teams from the SCIAC is a bit much, don't ya think? But in rethinking, perhaps Linfield / Occidental / Redlands will then be competing with the likes of Capital, Wittenberg, Hobart / Union, Bethel (if they lost to St. John's), Wartburg (if they lose to Central).

Three SCIAC teams is a lot on principle, but also:
Cal Lu (two losses already) is only going via the AQ.
For them to get the AQ, they'd have to give Redlands their second loss.
Oxy has one loss and the worst SOS of all time. 'Cept for RPI maybe

(that last one was a joke)