Pool C -- 2007

[AUKaz00]

No, it wasn't Mike ... someone who's seen them play didn't think it would be a great game, but others did. I didn't mentioned them though, was trying to get your goat (or however the phrase goes)

K-Mack, in case you were still wondering, it's "goad" or "a verbalization that encourages you to attempt something; 'the ceaseless prodding got on his nerves'" from the noun which basically means "a cattle prod."

[Pat Coleman]

Get your goat is also a phrase.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/10/messages/1015.html

[DutchHawk]

What do you guys think about Central getting a Pool C should they end up 9-1. With so many 2 loss teams in the West how can they be kept out?

[Pat Coleman]

You can't just look at the West -- Central would be in competition with all runners-up nationally.

[usee]

For pool C, it is not a gimme that Wheaton is a pool C even if they lose to IWU. If there is a 3 way tie atop the CCIW it will be decided by point differential among the 3 tied teams. this can only happen with Wheaton, NCC, and IWU. For that to happen NCC has to beat IWU this weekend and IWU has to beat wheaton next weekend (assuming Wheaton wins vs carthage this saturday). Wheaton could still easily win the AQ in a 3 way tie. We will know what score will affect each outcome after this saturdays IWU/NCC clash.

[smedindy]

It seems that the teams in Pool C with potentially one loss are:

Muhlenberg (if they lose to Ursinus and beat Moravian)
Mt. St. Joseph
Wheaton (if they lose to IWU and IWU wins out)
Central (if they lose to Wartburg)
St. John's (if they lose to Bethel)
Curry
Plymouth State
Waynesburg
Occidental
Redlands (Redlands beating Cal Lutheran would open up a big ol' can of SCIAC worms, and may move Oxy to A depending on what the SCIAC three way tiebreaker is!)

Also either Salisbury or Wesley or Case could have one loss and be a "C" contender if they go another way with "B" and Case loses to Wash U.

Honestly, I'd feel good about Central's playoff chances as a "C" with one loss. That's not a very deep one loss field.

[Mr. Ypsi]

For pool C, it is not a gimme that Wheaton is a pool C even if they lose to IWU. If there is a 3 way tie atop the CCIW it will be decided by point differential among the 3 tied teams. this can only happen with Wheaton, NCC, and IWU. For that to happen NCC has to beat IWU this weekend and IWU has to beat wheaton next weekend (assuming Wheaton wins vs carthage this saturday). Wheaton could still easily win the AQ in a 3 way tie. We will know what score will affect each outcome after this saturdays IWU/NCC clash.

Point taken, but I'll have to quibble with the 'easily win' part.  If NCC beats IWU by 5+, Wheaton is out.  If NCC beats IWU by less than 5, but IWU beats Wheaton by 5+ more than that margin, Wheaton is out.  And, of course, if IWU beats NCC, ANY margin over Wheaton knocks them out of the AQ.  While certainly possible, that's a pretty narrow window to be called 'easily'!

Now if NCC beats IWU by 4 and IWU beats Wheaton by 4, I don't even know what comes next - coin flip?

[redswarm81]

It seems that the teams in Pool C with potentially one loss are:

Muhlenberg (if they lose to Ursinus and beat Moravian)
Mt. St. Joseph
Wheaton (if they lose to IWU and IWU wins out)
Central (if they lose to Wartburg)
St. John's (if they lose to Bethel)
Curry
Plymouth State
Waynesburg
Occidental
Redlands (Redlands beating Cal Lutheran would open up a big ol' can of SCIAC worms, and may move Oxy to A depending on what the SCIAC three way tiebreaker is!)

Also either Salisbury or Wesley or Case could have one loss and be a "C" contender if they go another way with "B" and Case loses to Wash U.

RPI could be a one-loss Pool C candidate if they and Union both win this week, and RPI loses to Union on Nov. 10.

[Pat Coleman]

Apparently the SCIAC three-way tiebreaker is the Rose Bowl Rule, which would favor Cal Lu.

[usee]

For pool C, it is not a gimme that Wheaton is a pool C even if they lose to IWU. If there is a 3 way tie atop the CCIW it will be decided by point differential among the 3 tied teams. this can only happen with Wheaton, NCC, and IWU. For that to happen NCC has to beat IWU this weekend and IWU has to beat wheaton next weekend (assuming Wheaton wins vs carthage this saturday). Wheaton could still easily win the AQ in a 3 way tie. We will know what score will affect each outcome after this saturdays IWU/NCC clash.

Point taken, but I'll have to quibble with the 'easily win' part.  If NCC beats IWU by 5+, Wheaton is out.  If NCC beats IWU by less than 5, but IWU beats Wheaton by 5+ more than that margin, Wheaton is out.  And, of course, if IWU beats NCC, ANY margin over Wheaton knocks them out of the AQ.  While certainly possible, that's a pretty narrow window to be called 'easily'!

Now if NCC beats IWU by 4 and IWU beats Wheaton by 4, I don't even know what comes next - coin flip?

The mark is 8pts I believe chuck. right now wheaton is +4 and ncc is -4. for ncc to be sure to have a shot they need to get to +4 which requires beating IWU by 8pts. Then a 1pt IWU win over wheaton gives NCC the AQ. 

IF NCC beats IWU by 8 then IWU will have to beat wheaton by 13 to win the AQ. Now if you think it will be easy for NCC to beat IWU by 8 and then IWU to beat wheaton by 13 then you have redefined "easily" for me. 

[usee]

I posted this over on the CCIW board but will repost here in case its late night on Nov 10 and everyone is trying to figure out if Wheaton is pool A or pool C. (Of course us Thunder fans don't believe it will come to this but my mother always taught me to be prepared)

"Another little known playoff tidbit for those fans who care: we all know the 3rd tie breaker in a 3 way tie is point differential. Did you know the 4th tiebreaker is defensive yards given up vs the tied teams? It has never come down to that but that's some complicated stuff to have to figure out during a game.

The 5th tiebreaker you ask? random draw by the commish. "

[redswarm81]

Apparently the SCIAC three-way tiebreaker is the Rose Bowl Rule, which would favor Cal Lu.

The "Rose Bowl Rule" is "whoever's had the longest drought wins," right?

I wonder how that works when at least two of the three have never attended the playoffs, or never won the conference.

[HScoach]

I'd be absolutely shocked if a 9-1 Wheaton didn't make the show as a Pool C.  Also keep in mind the OAC doesn't have a 1 loss team so that's one less Pool C competitor the CCIW has to worry about. 

[usee]

I'd be absolutely shocked if a 9-1 Wheaton didn't make the show as a Pool C.  Also keep in mind the OAC doesn't have a 1 loss team so that's one less Pool C competitor the CCIW has to worry about. 

I would be surprised too. My point is that we may be figuring out if they are taking a bid or not (A vs C) on Nov 10.

[Pat Coleman]

Apparently the SCIAC three-way tiebreaker is the Rose Bowl Rule, which would favor Cal Lu.

The "Rose Bowl Rule" is "whoever's had the longest drought wins," right?

I wonder how that works when at least two of the three have never attended the playoffs, or never won the conference.

Then you would eliminate the team that has ever won the conference, take the two remaining teams that never have and go back up to the first tiebreaker, head-to-head result.