Pool C -- 2007

[MonroviaCat]

Correction:  Cal Lu needs to win one of their remaining games and Oxy and Redlands have to win the rest of their conference games to force the 3 way tie that would give CalLu the AQ.  In other words, CaLu does not need to beat Redlands to get the AQ.

[d-train]

The fate of the SCIAC teams could be very interesting. I can't really imagine three bids going to the SCIAC, however...

Redlands and Oxy could both end up with just one loss and in line for a Pool C bid (with Cal Lu getting the AQ). Oxy's schedule was very weak...but they beat Redlands in the head-to-head and have been ahead of them in the regional rankings so far (but would that change if Whitworth beats Linfield?). (Especially) If Bethel and/or Wartburg lose...there might be few enough one-loss Pool C teams that one or both SCIAC 'extras' get selected. Might we see a four-team SCIAC-NWC sub-bracket?

[usee]

wheaton eliminates themselves from pool c (under most scenarios) with their loss today. Its the AQ or bust for the CCIW.

[altor]

I believe these are the possible 1-loss teams in Pool C.  I count 10 at the moment.
Central, St John's, and Curry clinch an AQ with a win next week.
St John Fisher and Redlands can move to Pool A with a win and some help.

E8 - St John Fisher (8-1) vs Alfred
HCAC - Mt St Joseph (8-1) vs Thomas More
IIAC - Central (9-0) at Wartburg
MIAC - St John's (9-0) at Bethel
NEFC - Curry (10-0) vs. Coast Guard
NEFC - Plymouth St (7-1) at Salve Regina (tomorrow)
PAC - Waynesburg (7-1) at Geneva (haven't seen a score yet) and vs Westminster
SCIAC - Occidental (7-1) at Whittier
SCIAC - Redlands (7-1) at Cal Lutheran

Pool B - possibly 1 of:
Case Western Reserve (9-0) vs Ohio Wesleyan
Salisbury (8-1) vs Frostburg St
Wesley (8-1) at Morrisville St
Whitworth (7-2) at Puget Sound   (loss to Azusa Pacific is not in region)

[smedindy]

wheaton eliminates themselves from pool c (under most scenarios) with their loss today. Its the AQ or bust for the CCIW.

I don't know - if Case loses and there is some normalcy in some quarters (MIAC, IIAC) then Wheaton's definitely in the mix.

[Bob.Gregg]

PAC - Waynesburg (7-1) at Geneva (haven't seen a score yet) and vs Westminster

Waynesburg lost in overtime, but it's not a game that counts according to the Handbook.

Geneva is a first-year transition team.

[KitchenSink]

If Bethel and Wartburg lose next week - and since the NCAA will have an even number of West Coast teams (will it be 2?  or 4?) because of their travel considerations - I think we could see one or maybe even two teams with 2 losses in the West region.  Unless they move somebody like Concordia.

[Pat Coleman]

There's no reason there has to be 2 or 4 west coast teams.

[Mr. Ypsi]

wheaton eliminates themselves from pool c (under most scenarios) with their loss today. Its the AQ or bust for the CCIW.

I don't know - if Case loses and there is some normalcy in some quarters (MIAC, IIAC) then Wheaton's definitely in the mix.

If Wheaton finishes 9-1 they will be the AQ, so we are talking a 2-loss Wheaton for pool C consideration.  usee may have slightly overstated the case ('eliminates', though he did qualify it with 'under most scenarios'), but they certainly hurt themselves badly.  Either NCC or Carthage will finish with only two losses (NCC takes the AQ if Wheaton also loses; Carthage cannot win the AQ) and should be noted as 'dark horse' C candidates.

[usee]

wheaton eliminates themselves from pool c (under most scenarios) with their loss today. Its the AQ or bust for the CCIW.

I don't know - if Case loses and there is some normalcy in some quarters (MIAC, IIAC) then Wheaton's definitely in the mix.

If Wheaton finishes 9-1 they will be the AQ, so we are talking a 2-loss Wheaton for pool C consideration.  usee may have slightly overstated the case ('eliminates', though he did qualify it with 'under most scenarios'), but they certainly hurt themselves badly.  Either NCC or Carthage will finish with only two losses (NCC takes the AQ if Wheaton also loses; Carthage cannot win the AQ) and should be noted as 'dark horse' C candidates.

It looks to me like there MAY be 1 or at most 2 2loss teams that get a pool C. There still just as easily could be none. If wheaton loses next week I don' t see a scenario in the cards that gets them in as a 2 loss team. Capital, and carthage are better 2 loss candidates from the north that i can see. and there will be some 2 loss teams in the west that merit strong consideration. I still think there won't be any 2 loss teams in and if there is the only one may be capital.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Prety soon we'll have to have a playoff to determine who makes the Playoffs! 

Missed this earlier.  Be forewarned: fans of teams not selected for the "playoffs to determine who makes the playoffs" will quickly demand playoffs to determine who makes the playoffs to determine who makes the playoffs!

And if my team is not selected for those playoffs ...!

['gro]

The Liberty League has some Pool C contenders...

4 teams are still alive for the Pool A bid heading into the final week
RPI 7-1 (5-1) beat Hobart, lost to Rochester
Hobart 7-2 (5-1) beat Union, lost to RPI
Rochester 6-2 (5-1) beat RPI, lost to Union
Union 5-3 (5-1) beat Rochester, lost to Hobart

RPI and Hobart have pool C potential if they win next week but don't get the AQ, which is still possible.

Next weeks games

RPI @ Union
Hobart @ Rochester

Winners	AQ	Pool C?
RPI/Hobart	RPI	Hobart 8-2
RPI/Rochester	Rochester	RPI 8-1
Union/Hobart	Hobart	None
Union/Rochester	Union	None

thx to superman57 and Frank Rossi for the scenarios

[HScoach]

Also going against Wheaton making it as an 8-2 Pool C is that they're 2 losses would be their final 2 games.  I know when you lose doesn't effect the SOS (or whatever it's called now) numbers, but unofficially it can't help the selection committee want to pick you over another 2 loss team that finished strong.  I further doubt that Wheaton makes it as a Pool C because 8-2 Capital will get the bid before 8-2 Wheaton. 

[Ralph Turner]

I have not heard whether performance in the last 25% of the season is used a criterion in football (altho' that wording is in language of almost all Handbooks this year.)

I think that the OAC gets a Pool C bid (out of the7 that are given), just because they are a solid conference without MUC.

I agree hscoach.  Capital is looking like it sits comfortably in the Pool C, depending on favorable breaks in the E8 and SCIAC and no upsets in the MIAC or IIAC.  It will also help for Thomas More to knock off MSJ in the Bridge Bowl game this weekend.

[repete]

Yeah, RT, a lot of eyes will be on some very good West games this week and upsets there would make things very interesting. Schedules in MIAC, SCIAC and IIAC certainly amplify the drama this season ...