Pool C -- 2007

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smedindy

Still doubt three SCIAC teams make it.
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downtown48

Quote from: smedindy on November 10, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
Still doubt three SCIAC teams make it.
I would say the chances are right around...0%

Bob.Gregg

At this moment, my Pool C picks:

Whitworth
St. John Fisher
St. John's
Mt. St. Joseph
Hobart

The SCIAC "Rose Bowl Rule" could throw two teams (Occidental & Redlands) into the "C" discussion, though strength of schedule may hold one or both out.  Redlands is #62 on the charts (.540 & .475). Occidental is #210 (ouch) (.395 & .507).

RIght now, my last two C's are Wheaton & Wartburg, with Capital & Millsaps right on their heels.
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Mr. Ypsi

I checked the SOS and see that it has been updated for teams whose results are already known - will it be updated throughout the night for late scores?

I thought Wheaton was probably a goner, but they have the highest SOS of any 8-2 pool-C candidate.

smedindy

But could the fact they lost twice in a row hurt the Thunder?
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: smedindy on November 10, 2007, 09:53:50 PM
But could the fact they lost twice in a row hurt the Thunder?
Performance at the last quarter of the season is not usually a criterion in football.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: smedindy on November 10, 2007, 09:53:50 PM
But could the fact they lost twice in a row hurt the Thunder?

Officially, WHEN losses occur is not a criterion.  Unofficially, who knows?

Bob.Gregg

Actually, guys, it CAN be considered....

"Should a committee find that evaluation of a team's win-loss percentage during the last 25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end of season performance), it may adopt such criteria with approval from the championships committee."
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 10, 2007, 09:59:44 PM
Actually, guys, it CAN be considered....

"Should a committee find that evaluation of a team's win-loss percentage during the last 25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end of season performance), it may adopt such criteria with approval from the championships committee."
I know, but I have not seen it used, or mentioned by Pat or an authoritative source, anytime recently.

johnnie_esq

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Bob-

Keep in mind one of Whitworth's losses was to NAIA Azusa Pacific.  Since the Committee doesn't seem to mind UWW's non-D3 loss, perhaps they will look over it here as well?

In any event, Whitworth should be considered 8-1 in region and 8-2 overall. 

If that is the case, there are 7 one D3 loss teams (Isn't Mississippi College a 2-loss in-region team?  Did I miss this discussion?  Both HSU and MHB are in their conference...), and 7 Pool C births.  That could make life very easy for the committee.
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Ron Boerger

Quote from: johnnie_esq on November 10, 2007, 10:32:59 PM
Bob-

Keep in mind one of Whitworth's losses was to NAIA Azusa Pacific.  Since the Committee doesn't seem to mind UWW's non-D3 loss, perhaps they will look over them here as well?

In any event, Whitworth should be considered 8-1 in region and 8-2 overall. 

If that is the case, there are 7 one D3 loss teams (Isn't Mississippi College a 2-loss in-region team?  Did I miss this discussion?  Both HSU and MHB are in their conference...), and 7 Pool C births.  That could make life very easy for the committee.

MC is a two loss team.

johnnie_esq

I am, of course, assuming Oxy wins tonight.  If they lose, Redlands takes an AQ and Oxy drops out of that category.
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Bob.Gregg

Quote from: johnnie_esq on November 10, 2007, 10:32:59 PM
In any event, Whitworth should be considered 8-1 in region and 8-2 overall. 


I have Whitworth at 8-1 in-region, and getting a Pool C bid off that record.
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ADL70

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 10, 2007, 09:38:49 PM
  Redlands is #62 on the charts (.540 & .475). Occidental is #210 (ouch) (.395 & .507).


Yet Oxy is higher than Redlands in Regional Rankings due to head-to-head.

Waynesburg's loss to Geneva isn't an in region loss either is it?  Geneva is still provisional.  So aren't they also a one regional loss team?
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johnnie_esq

Quote from: cwru70 on November 10, 2007, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 10, 2007, 09:38:49 PM
  Redlands is #62 on the charts (.540 & .475). Occidental is #210 (ouch) (.395 & .507).


Yet Oxy is higher than Redlands in Regional Rankings due to head-to-head.

Waynesburg's loss to Geneva isn't an in region loss either is it?  Geneva is still provisional.  So aren't they also a one regional loss team?

But they are a D-3 team, even if just provisional.  Azusa Pacific, though they tend to play quite a few D-3 teams, are NAIA.
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