BB: General NY Region Talk

[John McGraw]

John, Beloit, Scranton, Thiel, etc.... they have all moved to New York State!!  I really don't know how they count as region games, maybe you can enlighten me on that.  

I would have went this way;

1. Cortland
2  St. John Fisher
3. Skidmore
4. Rochester
5. Plattsburgh

Then on down the line.  Oneonta would be in the mix with wins over Cortland and St. John Fisher.  You can really throw those 4 teams in a hat right now after Cortland.  I don't like Plattsburghs non-conference schedule wins (they can't help it, I know) and they have been getting smacked around a bit mid-week (see Clarkson and Castleton St.).  Skidmore ahead of Rochester on weekend series win only, I still think Rochester is a little bit better then Skidmore though.  St. John Fisher is 14-3 in last 17, btw, their greatest margin of defeat is only 2 runs!!!  8 of 11 loses by one run.  Nice sleeper pick a bit to come out of NY if they get in.

The only non-region team on Fisher's schedule is Beloit for obvious reasons. The other teams not from New York are located in the New York-Pennsylvania administrative region basically meaning that any game between teams located in those two states counts as an in-region game regardless if its' over the mile limit or not. So, Thiel, Scranton, Alvernia, Muhlenberg, etc. etc. are all in-region contests.

[FranElia]

Just to follow up and confirm what John said, for schools in New York, a game is considered in-region if the opponent meets ANY of the following criteria:

1) The school is in the same evaluation region (these are mainly New York schools, but Stevens is in the N.Y. evaluation region since it's in the Empire 8)

2) The school is in the same NCAA administrative region (New York State and Pennsylvania comprise an administrative region, so, as John said, any school in PA is an in-region game for any school in NY)

3) The school is within 200 miles of the other school, according to the NCAA mileage calculator at https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/TES/exec/miles (go to Mileage Calcluator link, then choose Institution to Institution). This, for examples, makes a school like Ramapo an in-region opponent for Cortland (195 miles) but not for someone like St. John Fisher, whereas William Paterson is an in-region opponent for RPI (141 miles) but not for Cortland (205 miles).

Also, one small correction to an earlier post - technically, neither Cortland nor Oswego were automatic bid teams in the 1996 NCAA's - there was no automatic bid for the league back then. Still, the point is well taken - Cortland has earned an NCAA bid each of the last two times it didn't win the SUNYAC tournament.

Fran Elia
Cortland SID

[airball55]

Gotta love the NCAA.  Thanks for the info. guys.  Good stuff

[Truthfinder]

Gotta love the NCAA.

Do we?

[pstate17]

Gotta love the NCAA.

Do we?

Well we don't have to love the AP either but they seem to talk nonstop...

[Tarheel0550]

Anyone else notice that the teams from out west that start so much earlier than our teams do are staying seeded higher in top 25 poll than alot of cold weather teams?Linfield only plays about 3 good teams a year and they have stayed locked into the number 9 spot in polls.Looks like once you get into top ten all you have to do is break even to keep position,Cortland has played a heck of alot tougher schedule than Linfield has and has dang near dropped out of top 25.I would love to see some of the N_West teams play in SUNYAC or N-England region.bet they wouldnt be ranked so high then.I'm just spewing ,but it does get frustrating.

[BigPoppa]

Maybe because the teams in the Northeast are so used to getting the attention that when they don't it appears wrong? Cortland dropped quickly as they lost three games early that they had no business losing. I have said it over and over... easier to drop than to climb. Cortland will settle in and get rolling and climb back into the big picture.

[Tarheel0550]

B-Poppa,Not that they are not getting the attention,but who does Linfield play in their conference?Pac-Lu ? ooh scarry,Havnt even heard of some of the teams they play, plus they have lost 4 games and dont move in polls?Atleast most of the teams out here dont dodge tough competition.They do beat eachother up in conference play and maybe that hurts them.Maybe they should schedule 25 pattsies ayear then play a few good  teams just to make them look legit.I kinda think thats why the west coast teams play so early, get a top ranking early so they can stay in the polls.No offense to the legit teams like Tyler Texas and Trinity,you guys are for real every year.

[BigPoppa]

The Northeast also has many more teams in the area than the Northwest. two of Linfield's losses are to top-notch NAIA programs (including Lewis and Clark State who has won 11 of the last 15 national titles).

Linfield is not dodging the competition. They play a very solid non-conference schedule including a three four game set with Chapman later in the season.

[BBFan62]

Why care one tiny bit about polls? They still charge you for coffee when you go out, regardless of where you rank in any poll. Usually it is not the player or the coach who complains about where the team is ranked or whether or not they're even ranked. Think a poll ranking stopped IWU last year? Sure, it's nice to see your name up there; but what really matters starts at the conference tournaments.

[Tarheel0550]

Sorry,NAIA, there is a reason that schools choose the NAIA and its because they dont have near the stringent rules that the NCAA has.Won back to back national championships in football for an NAIA  team and most of our players came from NCAA schools and they transferred because of the rules and regs that the NCAA imposes on players and schools.Not the same competition as most NCAA schools.As far as the N-East having many more schools than the N-West thats the same arguement I get from the Pac-Lu parents {its not our fault there isnt anyone for us to play}gimme a break.If there isnt enough quality competition than maybe they should think about going up a division or switching to NAIA,since Im always told about the QUALITY NAIA teams in the area.I also dont know how those games should even count towards your record,if a school isnt affiliated with the NCAA the games shouldnt count.BBFan62 the polls count alot when recruiting wether or not they are preseason or post season they count when you are trying to get a player in your program

[BigPoppa]

Tarheel-

If you are insinuating that Lewis and Clark State is not a quality program you are completely clueless. Look outside of your own region once in a while to see what else is out there.

LC State:
* 14 MLB players
* 117 drafted players

Clearly, MLB scouts would disagree with you.

[dahlby]

BigPoppa:

Linfield and Chapman play 4 game set 4/15-4/17. FYI

[Tarheel0550]

not saying that they are not a quality program but why are the teams out there sitting on the fence?go one way or the other NCAA or NAIA. Bet JUCOS have have had more payers drafted ,that doesnt mean they are better teams,there is a reason you play NAIA.and it isnt because you are a student athlete.And about being "clueless" check out how Elon University is doing now that they are NCAA and not NAIA.A one time power house in the NAIA is now a joke at times in the NCAA.

[BigPoppa]

We are not talking about Elon, we are talking about Lewis and Clark State. Stop changing the subject because you didn't like the results.

LC State is in a region of the country with few, if any, NCAA programs.