BB: General NY Region Talk

[BoomerIL]

BaseB13.....

To be honest with you, I don't know now if it was a medical redshirt???  All I heard was that he had some sort of injury.  Now whether he just didn't play that year, without any "redshirt" indication, I really don't know.  I will try and find out.

Veenema will most likely be the #1 with Park probably #2.  Both are seniors, so we will lose a couple of good arms at the end of the season.

[spectator123]

Who will be the #1 arm this year?  Should be another interesting LL Season... I didn't know Division III still did medical red shirts?  Anyone know what the rules are for medical redshirts these days?

I don't know if this has changed or not...
7. Is redshirting legal in Division III?
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Feb 12, 2007 at 03:46 AM  You are not permitted to redshirt in Division III. Redshirting is the practice of having a player attend and participate in practices but not play in any games, preserving a year of eligibility. Medical redshirting is still permitted at the Division III level. The general guideline is that you must have played one-third of the scheduled games or less in order to be eligible. If you suffer a season-ending injury in that time-frame and can document it, your conference (or athletic director, if an independent) can file paperwork with the NCAA on your behalf to restore a season of eligibility. So-called "routine" redshirting is still permitted at other levels and to our understanding those redshirts are recognized by Division III. (You will want to confirm with your school's compliance officer if you are transferring in.) That is, if you redshirted outside of Division III and then transferred to a D-III school, you would not be forced to give up that year of eligibility. (To redshirt in this manner you may not appear in any games whatsoever.) Conferences are free to not recognize these redshirts, and in fact, the MIAC has not as long as we've been covering D-III. And of course, anyone who had a routine redshirt year at a Division III school before Aug. 1, 2004, has that redshirt grandfathered in.

[AlleyCat]

Well it looks like 2009 in NY could be a good one. Cortland, Ithaca and RPI all look like they're gonna make their usual runs at the NCAA's and Rochester, Oneonta, Farmingdale, St John Fisher are also looking good. Hopefully this year the NCAA will give NY it's due and make the NY regional a mostly NY region. The state has some good teams and some great ballplayers who deserve the right to battle it out on a common field with no advantages. I think it would fun to watch and we could get some great games. There is no reason the region should not get 6 of the 8 slots for this upcoming year unless everyone falls apart.

[BoomerIL]

AlleyCat.....

I totally agree with your thoughts.  Considering that these teams have to get prepared indoors, and then not be able to maybe play all of their games due to weather, speaks volumes about the players and coaches.  Talk about dedicated.  This is also true for any of the teams in the central and northeast portion of the country.

[AlleyCat]

The new ABCA poll is out and its great to see NY teams getting some love. 4 teams ranked in the top 25 is great for the region. Like I've stated before, I think NY region is strong this year and hopefully the NCAA committee will see this and give the NY region at least 6 teams in the 8 team region.

[John McGraw]

The new ABCA poll is out and its great to see NY teams getting some love. 4 teams ranked in the top 25 is great for the region. Like I've stated before, I think NY region is strong this year and hopefully the NCAA committee will see this and give the NY region at least 6 teams in the 8 team region.

I completely disagree. There's more parity in the region this year but that's because as a whole IMO the region is down. When your regional heavyweights are losing games to teams that aren't supposed to make noise nationally, it doesn't help anyone.

Chances are, we'll see Ithaca, RPI, Cortland, Rochester and Farmingdale State in the regionals. The only possible way for an extra team would be if Keuka or Cazenovia wins the NEAC. Rochester's had a solid season so far and looks to be on track for an at-large unless they completely collapse in the second half of the season. Of the teams I didn't mention, I see Oneonta at this point as the only other team with an outside chance at that list.

Upsets in league tournaments would also expand the number of New York teams in the tournament as long as Cortland, UR, RPI remain strong until May. However, just because of the shear numbers of some other regions (NE, Mid-Atlantic), it won't be an All-New York region. There's just too much talent in New England to have one of their teams not shipped here, same with the upper tier of the Mid-Atlantic and possibly the Mideast. Penn State-Behrend or Keystone may also likely be shipped over to Farmingdale; which also will make it a short trip for Mid-Atlantic teams shipped away from the Lakewood, NJ regional.

[AlleyCat]

I wasn't suggesting an all NY regional. I think what they did last year was wrong with only 4 of the 8 in the regional. I think 6 of 8 would be reasonable. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Just because Cortland is losing some games now doesn't mean the region is down. Cortland is Cortland and they are alittle young at spots and will get better in the end.

[Big Louie]

Here's how i see the New York Regional Rankings as 4/13:

1.) Ithaca 18-5 overall, 13-2 NY Region (Empire 8 Pool B)
2.) RPI 21-5 overall, 18-4 NY Region (Liberty League Pool A)
3.) Plattsburgh 17-7 overall, 10-4 NY Region (SUNYAC Pool A)
4.) Rochester 19-6 overall, 19-6 NY Region (Pool C)
5.) Cortland 17-9 overall, 12-5 NY Region
6.) Fredonia 15-5 overall, 8-4 NY Region
7.) Oneonta 19-6 overall, 9-6 NY Region
8.) St John Fisher 14-7 overall, 12-5 NY Region
9.) Brockport 11-15 overall, 9-6 NY Region
10.) Mt St Mary's 19-4 overall, 14-4 NY Region (Skyline Pool A)

NEAC: Pennstate Berks leads the conference (NEAC Pool A)

On the outside: Farmingdale, Clarkson, Old Westbury

Key regional games for the week of 4/13:
Ithaca (Cortland, St John Fisher 4 gms)
Rochester (at Clarkson 4 gms)
Plattsburgh (at Brockport dh, at Fredonia dh)
Cortland (at St John Fisher, at Ithaca, Oneonta dh)
Fredonia (Plattsburgh dh)
Oneonta (St John Fisher, at Cortland dh)
St John Fisher (Cortland, at Oneonta, at Ithaca 4gms)
Brockport (Plattsburgh dh)

Should be an exciting week anyone have any thoughts?

[AlleyCat]

My take on the regional rankings for NY

1. RPI 21-6
2. Ithaca 18-5
3. Rochester 20-8
4. Cortland 18-9
5. Oneonta 20-6
6. Plattsburgh 17-7
7. Mt St Mary 19-4
8. Fredonia 17-5
9. St John Fisher 14-8

I do not think you can rank a team under .500

[Ruby Red Dawg]

isn't the region ranking based on your record within the region? I might be wrong but i was jw

[John McGraw]

isn't the region ranking based on your record within the region? I might be wrong but i was jw

Pretty much. And we're about a week out from the first rankings of the year.

Here are some unofficial regional records, listed by winning %

Ithaca          12-2 (.857)
RPI              19-5 (.792) or 20-5, Salve is too close to guess
Plattsburgh   12-4 (.750)
Mt. St. Mary  15-5 (.750)
cortland        13-5 (.722)
Rochester     17-8 (.680) or 13-6 (.684) - depends on if UAA games in Florida count
Farmingdale  16-8 (.667)
Fisher           12-6 (.667)
Fredonia         9-5 (.643)
Oneonta         9-6 (.600)

[Cardinal Sin]

How, if at all is the moving of the Regional down to LI gooing to affect the amount of NY teams that may get in. I would have to think that hleps teams from the New England area as well as open up spots for teams from the New Jersey Conference of Athletics.

[John McGraw]

I don't think it'll have too much effect. It will certainly help lessen the travel for the New England and Mid-Atlantic teams shipped in.

You're still looking at 4-5 New York teams based on the overall strength of the region. There's automatic bids from the SUNYAC, Liberty League and Skyline. Plus Ithaca more than likely as a Pool B from the Empire 8 and maybe Cazenovia from the NEAC (if they win it). And the Liberty may get two depending on how Rochester-RPI plays out.

Penn State Behrend could also be thrown in the mix but I'd think they're a safer bet for the Lakewood, N.J. regional. Also Keystone may be an option though they play in the Mid-Atlantic region so who knows.

[Big Louie]

I would have to agree the NY region still will have at least 4-5 teams from NY in it.  Its probably safe to say NY will get at least one one POOL C bid but thats probably it.

[John McGraw]

UPDATED
Here are some unofficial regional records, listed by winning %

Ithaca          16-3 (.842)
RPI              22-7 (.759) or 23-7, Salve is too close to guess *LL Leader
Cortland        17-6 (.739) *SUNYAC Leader
Old Westbury 17-7 (.708)
St. Joe's (LI) 15-7 (682)
Mt. St. Mary  17-8 (.680)
Rochester     21-10 (.677) or 17-8 (.680) - depends on if UAA games in Florida count
Plattsburgh   13-7 (.650)
Fredonia       11-6 (.647)
Farmingdale  18-10 (.643) *Skyline Leader
Fisher           13-10 (.565)
Oneonta       11-10 (.524)