BB: Pitcher of the Year Candidates

[NCWC]

A stat that I think is better than ERA or BA against is PE (Pitching Efficiency). It is measured by total baserunners allowed per inning work (excluding errors) so it is the sum of hits, walks and HBP allowed per inning.

Blake Brooher of UTT is an example of a picher with a PE below one.

He has allowed 37 hits, 20 walks, 3 HBP in 62.7 innings of work for a PE of .9574 or less than 1 baserunner per inning worked.

He is 8-0 so far this year with a 1.15 ERA and .165 BA against.

Pitchers with PE below 1.5 would be very good anything below 1 is simply outstanding over the course of a season.


A couple other pitchers in the ASC that are having very good years:

Ozarks Curt Dixon who has a 6-1 record with a 2.59 ERA has pitched 48.2 innings allowed 40 hits, 18 walks and 7 HBP for a PE of 1.34

Brett Holland of UTT who has a record of 8-0 with and ERA of 2.48 in 61.2 innigs has allowed 51 hits 11 walks and 8 HBP for a PE of 1.14

Bruce Cameron of Ozarks who has a record of 5-0 whith an ERA of 1.82 has allowed 36 hits 7 walks and 3 HBP in 39.2 innings for a PE of 1.16

Is there a difference between PE and WHIP?

[baseballroxmysox]

A stat that I think is better than ERA or BA against is PE (Pitching Efficiency). It is measured by total baserunners allowed per inning work (excluding errors) so it is the sum of hits, walks and HBP allowed per inning.

Blake Brooher of UTT is an example of a picher with a PE below one.

He has allowed 37 hits, 20 walks, 3 HBP in 62.7 innings of work for a PE of .9574 or less than 1 baserunner per inning worked.

He is 8-0 so far this year with a 1.15 ERA and .165 BA against.

Pitchers with PE below 1.5 would be very good anything below 1 is simply outstanding over the course of a season.


A couple other pitchers in the ASC that are having very good years:

Ozarks Curt Dixon who has a 6-1 record with a 2.59 ERA has pitched 48.2 innings allowed 40 hits, 18 walks and 7 HBP for a PE of 1.34

Brett Holland of UTT who has a record of 8-0 with and ERA of 2.48 in 61.2 innigs has allowed 51 hits 11 walks and 8 HBP for a PE of 1.14

Bruce Cameron of Ozarks who has a record of 5-0 whith an ERA of 1.82 has allowed 36 hits 7 walks and 3 HBP in 39.2 innings for a PE of 1.16

I think that the BA might be a little misleading, as you still should have to considered the ERA.  I reviewed most of the teams here in the West (what teams I think are in the West) and I used the following criteria - the lowest BA with a minimum of 10 innings pitched.  But I found out most of them did not have the best ERA.  Having little to no runs scored against you wins ball games and should be one of the deciding factor when voting for All-Americans.  Both Booher and Aronson have low Era's.

Here is the info from the West teams (sorry if I missed any):

      Player     ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP 

Menlo
Mike Ryder.   2.57   7-1     8   8   5   1/0    0  70.0  67  27  20   7  68   8   1   5  264  .254    1   1
   
C.State East Bay
  JOHN VOLK     0.75   1-0    10   0   0   0/0    0  12.0   8   2   1   8  10   2   0   0   41  .195    0  2

Pomon-Pitzer
Fogarty, Lucas  4.50   1-0     8   0   0   0/1    1  10.0   8   6   5   3   6   1   0   2   37  .216    0  0

Chapman
Wayde Kitchens 0.36   3-0    5   5   0   0/1    0  24.2  10   4   1  11  23   1   0   0   80  .125    1   2
   
Claremont-Mudd
David Noble   4.80  3-3    9   9   0   0/0    0  54.1  53  39  29  15  29  6   1   5    207  .256    5   22

Univ of Redlands
Mike McCarthy  3.88  6-3   1   9   1   0/0   0  67.1  62  37  29  21  55  17   0   4   261  .238    6   6

Cal Lutheran Univ
  Steven Omlor  3.67  2-1  15   1   0   0/0    2  27.0  29  14   11   9    9   3   1   3  111  .261    6   7
 
Univ of La Vern
Jimmy Wilfong  2.81  2-1   11   2   0   0/0    1  25.2  20  15   8   11  18   6   0   1   95  .211   4    5

Whittier College
  Scot Kakuk..  2.10   1-3   18   0   0   0/1   1  25.2  20  10   6  11   16   5   1   0   91  .220    0   6

George Fox Univ
  Davis, Brian. 2.08   3-0     9   0   0   0/0    3  13.0   9   7   3   7  12   2   1   1   49  .184    2   5

Pacific Univ
Fransen, Tyler  4.87   2-1    10   0   0   0/0      20.1  17  15  11   9  17   4   0   0   68  .250    1   5
     

[OshDude]

      Player     ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP 

Menlo
Mike Ryder.   2.57   7-1     8   8   5   1/0    0  70.0  67  27  20   7  68   8   1   5  264  .254    1   1
   
C.State East Bay
  JOHN VOLK     0.75   1-0    10   0   0   0/0    0  12.0   8   2   1   8  10   2   0   0   41  .195    0  2

Pomon-Pitzer
Fogarty, Lucas  4.50   1-0     8   0   0   0/1    1  10.0   8   6   5   3   6   1   0   2   37  .216    0  0

Chapman
Wayde Kitchens 0.36   3-0    5   5   0   0/1    0  24.2  10   4   1  11  23   1   0   0   80  .125    1   2
   
Claremont-Mudd
David Noble 4.80  3-3    9   9   0   0/0    0  54.1  53  39  29  15  29  6   1   5    207  .256    5   22

Univ of Redlands
Mike McCarthy  3.88  6-3   1   9   1   0/0   0  67.1  62  37  29  21  55  17   0   4   261  .238    6   6

Cal Lutheran Univ
  Steven Omlor  3.67  2-1  15   1   0   0/0    2  27.0  29  14   11   9    9   3   1   3  111  .261    6   7
 
Univ of La Vern
Jimmy Wilfong  2.81  2-1   11   2   0   0/0    1  25.2  20  15   8   11  18   6   0   1   95  .211   4    5

Whittier College
  Scot Kakuk..  2.10   1-3   18   0   0   0/1   1  25.2  20  10   6  11   16   5   1   0   91  .220    0   6

George Fox Univ
  Davis, Brian. 2.08   3-0     9   0   0   0/0    3  13.0   9   7   3   7  12   2   1   1   49  .184    2   5

Pacific Univ
Fransen, Tyler  4.87   2-1    10   0   0   0/0      20.1  17  15  11   9  17   4   0   0   68  .250    1   5


22 hit batters in 54.1 IP? 5 in 13 IP? Assuming those numbers are correct, I like those guys, sight unseen.

[baseballroxmysox]

      Player     ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP 

Menlo
Mike Ryder.   2.57   7-1     8   8   5   1/0    0  70.0  67  27  20   7  68   8   1   5  264  .254    1   1
   
C.State East Bay
  JOHN VOLK     0.75   1-0    10   0   0   0/0    0  12.0   8   2   1   8  10   2   0   0   41  .195    0  2

Pomon-Pitzer
Fogarty, Lucas  4.50   1-0     8   0   0   0/1    1  10.0   8   6   5   3   6   1   0   2   37  .216    0  0

Chapman
Wayde Kitchens 0.36   3-0    5   5   0   0/1    0  24.2  10   4   1  11  23   1   0   0   80  .125    1   2
   
Claremont-Mudd
David Noble 4.80  3-3    9   9   0   0/0    0  54.1  53  39  29  15  29  6   1   5    207  .256    5   2   2

Univ of Redlands
Mike McCarthy  3.88  6-3   1   9   1   0/0   0  67.1  62  37  29  21  55  17   0   4   261  .238    6   6

Cal Lutheran Univ
  Steven Omlor  3.67  2-1  15   1   0   0/0    2  27.0  29  14   11   9    9   3   1   3  111  .261    6   7
 
Univ of La Vern
Jimmy Wilfong  2.81  2-1   11   2   0   0/0    1  25.2  20  15   8   11  18   6   0   1   95  .211   4    5

Whittier College
  Scot Kakuk..  2.10   1-3   18   0   0   0/1   1  25.2  20  10   6  11   16   5   1   0   91  .220    0   6

George Fox Univ
  Davis, Brian. 2.08   3-0     9   0   0   0/0    3  13.0   9   7   3   7  12   2   1   1   49  .184    2   5

Pacific Univ
Fransen, Tyler  4.87   2-1    10   0   0   0/0      20.1  17  15  11   9  17   4   0   0   68  .250    1   5


22 hit batters in 54.1 IP? 5 in 13 IP? Assuming those numbers are correct, I like those guys, sight unseen.

Claremont-Mudd
David Noble 4.80  3-3    9   9   0   0/0    0  54.1  53  39  29  15  29  6   1   5    207  .256    5   2   2

I thought I  did a typo - so I  went back to the team stats and yes he did have 22 HBP

[TexasBB]

Is there a difference between PE and WHIP?

I believe the difference is HBP. PE considers all baserunners that reach base other than by error. Thus a stat that measures a pitcheres efficiency at keeping runners off base.  Generally there should be a correllation between BA, ERA and PE.  The less baserunners the less likely there will be earned runs.  The reason I like PE is that it is an indicator of consistancy. The lower the PE the more consistant the pitchers performance over the course of a season. For example if we have a pitcher that has a high number of Ks but also a high number of walks they may not be very efficient although the casual observer may believe they are dominating simple because of the high Ks.  The reality is the dominant pitcher is the one who doesn't allow baserunners. The statistic therefore does not consider a strikeout to be superior to a groundout.

BA is just one component of PE thus a pitcher who walks alot of batters may have a low BA but a higher PE.

[A.G.]

Joe Devlin of Lynchburg improved to 6-0 on the season, to go with his 2 saves.  His ERA to date is a smooth 1.11, with a 1.08 PE.  If anything, he deserves ODAC and maybe regional consideration and has done great moving from closer to #1 starter.

[SCHMEGMA]

Here's a name for you, Ryan Bennick
ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB
2.01   8-0     9     9    2       2/0      0  53.2  54  12  12   5  46   9   1     2  211
0.69   5-0     5     5    2       2/0      0  39.0  38    3    3   2  32   6   1     1  149
His season record is 8-0, His conference record is 5-0 in 5 starts 2-9 inning shutouts, along with a 0.69 ERA. This is a name that should be on everyone's list.
The SCHMEG

[anotherharvest]

My problem with putting so much emphasis on stats is that they can be so misleading.  Many of these inflated numbers can be attributed to a pitcher going against another team when the opponents coach is saving their best players for their conference rivals and playing their rookie teams for a break during a long and energy sapping season. 

I would rate a player more by how he performs under pressure and what his numbers are when he is facing the 3-4-5 batters in a lineup when the game's on the line.  Hence, I give a closer more credance and value than he usually gets from the fan who is crazy after stats. 

Hey! How about a new topic guys!  Closer or relief pitcher of the year!  Or should I say MIP, Most Intense Pitcher.     

[SCHMEGMA]

A closer is a definite asset to a team that is true, but he's coming into a game, the opponent hasn't seen him yet, he's usually got a lead with runners on base, he hasn't thrown 90-100 pitches & he's only being asked to go 2-3 innings at most. Your starter, if a good one, has faced the 3, 4 & 5 batters at least 3 times, thrown 7, 8 or 9 innings, thrown 90-100 pitches and given up less than 2 runs to give his team a chance to win.
The logic of a reliever having more credence is not holding water, even though they are both pitchers they are 2 totally different positions, if your starter doesn't give your team a chance to win, your reliever/closer gets the day off.

[anotherharvest]

I enjoyed your answer and you made some very good points about a starter, but if

a coach is smart enough to protect the well being of that player's arm we won't

see him for another five or six days.  On the flip side, in a playoff or championship

series we could see an ace closer like the Yankee's Rivera facing the same batters

night after night in the most crucial, psychologically draining innings of these

games.  Forgive me for making you think that I was trying to belittle the

importance of an ace starting pitcher, that's not what I meant to do at all, I was

just trying to edify and magnify the importance of a good solid closer and how they

should recieve as many accolades, and their just rewards for the job they do for

their teams at every level.     

[DIIIBASEBALLFAN]

CHAPMAN
Player                        ERA   W-L   APP  IP   
Wayde Kitchens....  ..  0.27   4-0     6   33.2 
Kurt Yacko...............  0.71   4-0    17  38.0 

[TexasBB]

Last year I tried to make the argument that "relief pitcher" should be added as a separate category for "All American".  They are very valuable to teams and many relief pitchers are just as important as a starter is with regard to a team's success. The issue was too late for last year but might be worth raising again.  Some posters were against the idea but I think Jim has an open mind about it.

[anotherharvest]

You've got my vote TexasBB!

[TexasBB]

AnotherHarvest

Go to the All American Thread. Jim Dixon is adding "relief pitcher" as an All American postion this year!!

[anotherharvest]

With that information you have made my day and season TexasBB.

Kudos to the administration.