MBB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[irapthor]

Here's my shot at explaining the scenarios:

If Ramapo and Montclair are tied, and since they split, it will come down to tiebreakers...I believe the next tie breaker is record against the first place team...Both teams were swept by Paterson...Then it would come down to the record against the second place team, which is still to be decided...either NJCU, TCNJ or Stockton

Ramapo against:
NJCU: 1-1
TCNJ: 0-2
Stockton: 1-0, 1 game left
Newark: 0-2

Montclair against:
NJCU: 1-1
TCNJ: 2-0
Stockton: 1-1
Newark: 0-2

I could be wrong, and if I am please correct me, but if I understand this properly:
For Ramapo to make it, if MSU also wins, they must defeat Stockton, and hope NJCU defeats TCNJ. This would make NJCU the second seed. There would be a tie between Stockton and TCNJ for third. Those teams split. Stockton went 2-0 vs. WPU, while TCNJ was 1-1, so Stockton would be the third seed and TCNJ the fourth. Newark is the fifth seed.

So, with the teams reseeded, and Ramapo and MSU still tied, both teams were 1-1 vs. #2 NJCU. Ramapo would be 2-0 vs. #3 Stockton and MSU would be 1-1, so Ramapo would be in.

This is just an educated guess based on my understanding of it...I may be way off and there could be a play-in game factoring in somewhere, but to the best of my knowledge, this is correct.

[Lefty]

Ira.....You posted that at 2:50 am, get some sleep!  You know Mr Schiner will be looking for you by 9:00 am....and no excuses!

And by the way, the NJCU Men's Volleyball team looked good last night in defeating Mount St. Vincent.  I was part of that huge crowd of maybe 30??

[Rhodes Scholar]

I watched Montclair State defeat The College of New Jersey, 77-68, last night at Panzer. Although I had the opportunity to watch two of the better players in the country--Gian Paul Gonzalez and Scott Findlay--I was not particularly impressed with either team. I was expecting more from TCNJ, which entered the contest with a seven-game win streak and were tied for first place. In particular I thought the Lions would be stronger on the boards than they were. I was a bit surprised that they were outrebounded by MSU.

This was a must-win game for MSU, and they came through with the victory. Gonzalez had only two points at the half, but he erupted for 19 in the second half.  Jonathan Arthur and Jamal Ford also played well for the Red Hawks. Findlay had a game-high 22 points for TCNJ.

It should be noted TCNJ forward Matt Diamond left the game midway through the second half with what appeared to be a broken nose. It looked like Diamond caught an accidental elbow from Findlay.

[Knightstalker]

If somehow RU-C beats WPU  and NJCU beats TCNJ then the Knights get the top seed.  I am actually hoping for the two seed though, because if WPU did lose to RU-C then they should just be thrown out of the conf.

I think they should use my favorite tiebreaker if MSU and Ramapo tie.  Teddy v Chucky in a steel cage death match.

[BM10]

I think they should use my favorite tiebreaker if MSU and Ramapo tie.  Teddy v Chucky in a steel cage death match.

In that case, Fiore wins by submission with a headlock that Hulk Hogan would be proud of.

[Truck]

I think they should use my favorite tiebreaker if MSU and Ramapo tie.  Teddy v Chucky in a steel cage death match.

My money's on Chuck.

[Knightstalker]

I think they should use my favorite tiebreaker if MSU and Ramapo tie.  Teddy v Chucky in a steel cage death match.

My money's on Chuck.

You know what they say Truck, youth and strength will never overcome old-age and treachery.  They are both Hudson County boys so they are tough, my money would be on Teddy in this.

[Truck]

Here's my shot at explaining the scenarios:

If Ramapo and Montclair are tied, and since they split, it will come down to tiebreakers...I believe the next tie breaker is record against the first place team...Both teams were swept by Paterson...Then it would come down to the record against the second place team, which is still to be decided...either NJCU, TCNJ or Stockton

Ramapo against:
NJCU: 1-1
TCNJ: 0-2
Stockton: 1-0, 1 game left
Newark: 0-2

Montclair against:
NJCU: 1-1
TCNJ: 2-0
Stockton: 1-1
Newark: 0-2

I could be wrong, and if I am please correct me, but if I understand this properly:
For Ramapo to make it, if MSU also wins, they must defeat Stockton, and hope NJCU defeats TCNJ. This would make NJCU the second seed. There would be a tie between Stockton and TCNJ for third. Those teams split. Stockton went 2-0 vs. WPU, while TCNJ was 1-1, so Stockton would be the third seed and TCNJ the fourth. Newark is the fifth seed.

So, with the teams reseeded, and Ramapo and MSU still tied, both teams were 1-1 vs. #2 NJCU. Ramapo would be 2-0 vs. #3 Stockton and MSU would be 1-1, so Ramapo would be in.

This is just an educated guess based on my understanding of it...I may be way off and there could be a play-in game factoring in somewhere, but to the best of my knowledge, this is correct.

Ira, I appreciate you taking the time to explain that. I hope you're right.

Is the following correct:

TCNJ has to lose vs. NJCU becuase if not, TCNJ will be the higher seed and Ramapo is 0-2 against them. Therefore, Ramapo would not qualify. Stockton will also have to lose, obviously, since Ramapo needs a win.

There is a scenario possible in which Stockton would beat Ramapo and MSU would lose. In that case, both teams would have the same record and both would have split versus Stockton. 

I guess then it would depend on the NJCU-TCNJ game and how the rankings would line up.

I think I'm getting a headache...

[irapthor]

Truck,

I did some further research, and it turns out, there would be a play-in game between MSU and Ramapo, regardless of the outcome of any other game, if they are still tied after Saturday night.

Here's the tiebreak rule. I apologize for the initial misinterpretation.

Sixth Place
1.   Head-to-head competition
2.   Two-way tie:  Play-in Game (site determined by coin toss).  In even number years, the play-in game will be Tuesday night, and in odd-number years on Monday night.  If Monday must be used for regular season make-up game, then the play-in game will be Tuesday.  In the event inclement weather pre-empts the play-in game, the game must be played the following night.
3.   Three-way tie*:  Mini-Playoff: Three-way coin toss determines pairings, odd team out given a bye; remaining teams' playoff site determined by coin toss; winner of mini-playoff plays bye team at site of mini playoff winner.

I think a three way tie would come into effect if Kean beats Montclair and Ramapo loses. Kean would be 0-2 vs. Ramapo and 2-0 vs. Montclair.

[Truck]

Truck,

I did some further research, and it turns out, there would be a play-in game between MSU and Ramapo, regardless of the outcome of any other game, if they are still tied after Saturday night.

Here's the tiebreak rule. I apologize for the initial misinterpretation.

Sixth Place
1.   Head-to-head competition
2.   Two-way tie:  Play-in Game (site determined by coin toss).  In even number years, the play-in game will be Tuesday night, and in odd-number years on Monday night.  If Monday must be used for regular season make-up game, then the play-in game will be Tuesday.  In the event inclement weather pre-empts the play-in game, the game must be played the following night.
3.   Three-way tie*:  Mini-Playoff: Three-way coin toss determines pairings, odd team out given a bye; remaining teams' playoff site determined by coin toss; winner of mini-playoff plays bye team at site of mini playoff winner.

I think a three way tie would come into effect if Kean beats Montclair and Ramapo loses. Kean would be 0-2 vs. Ramapo and 2-0 vs. Montclair.

Thank you for the clarification, Ira. It makes things much clearer.

Ramapo needs a win and a MSU loss to get in without playing the extra game, and exposing themselves to possible injuries and an extra game that could have been avoided. I guess that's what happens when you don't take care of business on your home court.

I think we'll be having that play-in game. I see Ramapo and MSU winning and ending up tied with a 10-8 record.

I'm still for what Knighstalker proposed, though.

[Knightstalker]

The lesson learned here is?

Never post at 2:50 AM after returning from the road trip to Camden.

One more regular season win needed.  Lets go RU-Camden beat WPU!  I keep making statements like that someone is going to make me pee in  a little bottle.

[Grutte Dirk]

Is there a forum that discusses NJAC sports not found on D3sports.com?

[Knightstalker]

You might try NJO.com, they have discussion forums, you could probably start one there.  What sport do you want to discuss?

[phil]

He asked the same question of 16 other conferences.

[Knightstalker]

I saw that later.  Hopefully I will make it to the TCNJ NJCU game tomorrow with the family.  I want to see both games if possible.  The NJCU women are finally watchable and competitive.