MBB: New Jersey Athletic Conference

[TheOsprey]

Hey Greek,  the NJAC even allows inter-season transfers--  a Rowan player transferred to NJCU (I think) between semester breaks last year.

Imagine if some team was able to assemble a squad during the season by attaining top players from other NJAC schools, or others, at the break to form a super squad!! 🤔  There has to be some kind of restriction for that possibility during a single season. Idk??🙄

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Is the rule prevalent in D1?

Lots of D1 conference have that rule.  Many other D1 schools simply won't approve a transfer in conference.  I believe that's how Sydney Moss ended up at Thomas More.

It really is a D1-all rule. Because scholarships are involved, any transfer in D1 (or moving up divisions; not sure about DII) must sit a year.

It was part of the reasons for Moss's decision, but not really the entire story. She wasn't necessarily going to transfer to Kentucky in the first place whether she had to sit a year or not.

[Greek Tragedy]

Hey Greek,  the NJAC even allows inter-season transfers--  a Rowan player transferred to NJCU (I think) between semester breaks last year.

Imagine if some team was able to assemble a squad during the season by attaining top players from other NJAC schools, or others, at the break to form a super squad!! 🤔  There has to be some kind of restriction for that possibility during a single season. Idk??🙄

That's pretty crazy. "Wow, they're doing really good. I think I'm gonna go play for them!"

[ronk]

Hey Greek,  the NJAC even allows inter-season transfers--  a Rowan player transferred to NJCU (I think) between semester breaks last year.

Imagine if some team was able to assemble a squad during the season by attaining top players from other NJAC schools, or others, at the break to form a super squad!! 🤔  There has to be some kind of restriction for that possibility during a single season. Idk??🙄

That's pretty crazy. "Wow, they're doing really good. I think I'm gonna go play for them!"

Sounds like fantasy basketball from a playing standpoint. 

[TheOsprey]

NJAC action starts tomorrow - NJCU vs Kean, TCNJ @ Stockton, Ramapo/RUT-N, MSU VS WPU, Rowan/RUT-C. 

With early results in, I like NJCU or Ramapo to win; Rowan, TCNJ, & MSU as contenders.  Stockton--  IDK??

[Greek Tragedy]

Hey Greek,  the NJAC even allows inter-season transfers--  a Rowan player transferred to NJCU (I think) between semester breaks last year.

Imagine if some team was able to assemble a squad during the season by attaining top players from other NJAC schools, or others, at the break to form a super squad!! 🤔  There has to be some kind of restriction for that possibility during a single season. Idk??🙄

That's pretty crazy. "Wow, they're doing really good. I think I'm gonna go play for them!"

Sounds like fantasy basketball from a playing standpoint. 

I can't help it that all the good players want to come and play for my team!

[NJBALLERZ]

The amount of in league transfers for the NJAC is an absolute joke. Players bounce around from school to school like it's nothing. What kind of message are we sending as "EDUCATORS".  The NJAC needs to figure out some sort of protocol and make it challenging for kids to transfer IN LEAGUE and play right away.

[NJBALLERZ]

Second night of NJAC basketball. Game of the night has to be MSU / Ramapo. Looks like Montclair found a stud in former Newark East Side (2014) Hoffman (Junior).

He leads them in scoring. Him and Mitchell - White have to be the toughest duo back court in the league.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The amount of in league transfers for the NJAC is an absolute joke. Players bounce around from school to school like it's nothing. What kind of message are we sending as "EDUCATORS".  The NJAC needs to figure out some sort of protocol and make it challenging for kids to transfer IN LEAGUE and play right away.

How much is it really happening, though? I know of a few, but it isn't like entire teams are transferring or anything.

Second of all, administrators and educators get very ansy when you start talking about limiting the choices of students. If they want to change schools for their reasons, many will not want to restrict them in DIII. There aren't any athletic scholarships on the line which cause restrictions and limits in higher divisions. In DIII, restricting students and thus restricting what a school is bringing in financially from tuition and such is not something admins like messing around with.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The amount of in league transfers for the NJAC is an absolute joke. Players bounce around from school to school like it's nothing. What kind of message are we sending as "EDUCATORS".  The NJAC needs to figure out some sort of protocol and make it challenging for kids to transfer IN LEAGUE and play right away.

Educationally, it's really helpful for schools within the public system to be well connected.  It's easy to transfer credits and move from one to another because sometimes people need to change schools - for a lot of different reasons.  Making those changes easier helps maximize opportunity for people - and those who utilize public colleges tend to be those with the fewest opportunities.

Yeah, you could do a transfer rule like the WIAC has to discourage transferring for basketball reasons, but, again, I'm not sure why that's really an issue.  Do you want an unhappy player on your team?  Do you want a kid deciding against a transfer that would benefit them academically just because it'll limit their athletic opportunity?

Just because sticking to a commitment is a value you or I were raised with, doesn't mean it's necessarily one that will be important going forward.  Freedom, choice, and change are the hallmarks of the contemporary era across culture.  Do I think there are valuable lessons in perseverance?  Absolutely.  Is Division III basketball the place to make a stand about it?  I'm not so sure.

If coaches are going out and illegally recruiting players from conference rivals, that's one thing, but there are already rules about that which can be enforced.  A kid looking for a better situation might have less than stellar motives, but in the grand scheme of things, I don't think addressing those few instances is worth the problems it would cause for legitimate transfers.

[NJBALLERZ]

I hear you. However, if you guys think these kids are transferring due to anything other than playing time you are both incredibly oblivious. My argument is that we are sending the wrong message to young men. Just because you aren't playing, doesn't mean you can just go to another school. Work harder, get extra shots up, put in more work. Learn the values of handling adversity AND overcoming it. Reward hard work and persistence.

Transferring from Rowan to NJCU is not an academic move. You are transferring to a worse academic institution. How can you see the move is beneficial to that student-athlete's education?

How much is it really happening? A ton... See below just to name a few..

Barnes (stockton to ramapo)
Williams (Kean to Stockton)
Lofton-Harris (Montclair to Newark)
Haddock (Rowan to NJCU - mid year)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Why is it a problem?  That's my question.  Just because you or I don't like it doesn't make it wrong.  We're certainly in a society that's moving towards mobility more and more.  We were raised with a "stick it out" mentality, but that's not what the world will look like in ten or fifteen years.

Also, why isn't it academic?  Some of these guys are not the strongest academically - do you think it's helping their classwork if they're frustrated with basketball?  I'd imagine it's easier to get a guy to go to class, study, and put in the work if he's happy in life.

I don't like it.  I'm in the "stick it out and work harder" camp, but I can totally see the value in making transferring as easy as possible.  I don't think it's a problem, even if I'd advise against it.

[jmcozenlaw]

I hear you. However, if you guys think these kids are transferring due to anything other than playing time you are both incredibly oblivious. My argument is that we are sending the wrong message to young men. Just because you aren't playing, doesn't mean you can just go to another school. Work harder, get extra shots up, put in more work. Learn the values of handling adversity AND overcoming it. Reward hard work and persistence.

Transferring from Rowan to NJCU is not an academic move. You are transferring to a worse academic institution. How can you see the move is beneficial to that student-athlete's education?

How much is it really happening? A ton... See below just to name a few..

Barnes (stockton to ramapo)
Williams (Kean to Stockton)
Lofton-Harris (Montclair to Newark)
Haddock (Rowan to NJCU - mid year)

The "worse academic institution" argument rings so hollow in my opinion. I've got several wealthy clients who did not go to "elite" academic institutions. In fact, three of them didn't even finish college (one is worth north of $210 million). Tiny little DelVal, in bucolic Doylestown, just posted the statistics from the 2016-2017 academic year regarding the first time pass rate for the CPA Exam. Of the 104 colleges and universities who offer an Accounting major/minor, DelVal was #5 in the PA with a 92.8% pass rate. They were above schools like Villanova, Temple, Pitt, Penn State, Moravian, Bucknell, Lehigh and others.

As my accountant (from the old Bloomsburg State University) always tells me, "a debit is a debit...................a credit is a credit. Whether you are learning it from a TA in a building with Ivy on it or in a state school, from a tenured professor, who actually worked in the business.................it's all the same".

Stop the "worse academic institution" nonsense. I went to Swarthmore and it has never impressed any of my clients. The return that I deliver on their investments each year is all that they care about. If I went to Whatsamatter U, I'd still be managing their risk capital. Because I'm good, not because I'm a Swatty. Now let me get back to my day job.................after starting the day with a killer triple leveraged short natural gas play (DGAZ) from Thursday. Cha ching!!

[Pat Coleman]

Any of those clients want to support a network of news websites? 

[phil]

The "worse academic institution" argument rings so hollow in my opinion. I've got several wealthy clients who did not go to "elite" academic institutions. In fact, three of them didn't even finish college (one is worth north of $210 million). Tiny little DelVal, in bucolic Doylestown, just posted the statistics from the 2016-2017 academic year regarding the first time pass rate for the CPA Exam. Of the 104 colleges and universities who offer an Accounting major/minor, DelVal was #5 in the PA with a 92.8% pass rate. They were above schools like Villanova, Temple, Pitt, Penn State, Moravian, Bucknell, Lehigh and others.

As my accountant (from the old Bloomsburg State University) always tells me, "a debit is a debit...................a credit is a credit. Whether you are learning it from a TA in a building with Ivy on it or in a state school, from a tenured professor, who actually worked in the business.................it's all the same".

Stop the "worse academic institution" nonsense. I went to Swarthmore and it has never impressed any of my clients. The return that I deliver on their investments each year is all that they care about. If I went to Whatsamatter U, I'd still be managing their risk capital. Because I'm good, not because I'm a Swatty. Now let me get back to my day job.................after starting the day with a killer triple leveraged short natural gas play (DGAZ) from Thursday. Cha ching!!

Not everybody who fails to get a college degree winds up with a $210 million net worth. A credit is indeed a credit – and with some hard work a degree will give you a chance for success in your field of choice upon graduation. Usually it helps to graduate. Swarthmore 4-year grad rate = 89%. NJCU 4-year grad rate = 7%. If I were a parent, I'd definitely be questioning the wisdom of moving from Rowan to NJCU in order to play a sport you'll be leaving behind upon graduation. Now get that guy with the $210M in touch with Mr. Coleman!