MBB: Centennial Conference

[fritzdis]

Interesting stat
Out of 392 schools ranked, F&M is ranked 392th for 3-point shots attempted per game. Gettysburg-211
Muhlenberg-213
McDaniel-375

Looks like the Centennial is not a 3-point conference.
Grinnell leads the nation with over 21 attempts per game.

Actually, I believe those rankings are 3-pointers made, not attempted.  When I was looking earlier in the season, I couldn't find any place that ranks attempted 3-pointers.

[r.w. mcnickels]

Frankly, the game was so ugly and physical that I have no idea whether F&M is at all back on track offensively (despite the 87 points).

Good observation -- F&M isn't back on track at all.  It was the ugliest game I've seen in quite a while.  In my opinion, anyone who picks F&M tomorrow is absolutely dreaming.  Gettysburg is playing like the team they were picked to be in the preseason, and the Dips have picked the absolute worst time of year to play their worst basketball. 

Gettysburg fans will take over Mayser Center tomorrow, as they did today, and the Dips will suffer a double-digit loss.  I hope I'm wrong, but Gettysburg should really be the favorite tomorrow.  The game shouldn't be close, based on how the two teams are playing right now.

[d3hoopsfan]

Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 05:57:36 pm

Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

Gabriel

You rest your case?  McKay and Jones played awful today-agreed 100%, but we are talking about the entire season Gabriel.  Let's see:  1)McDaniel finished 2nd in the league, well above Ursinus and with many big games by McKay and Jones  2)McDaniel 2-0 vs. Ursinus 3)Cousart had poor performances in both of those games vs. McDaniel with his 12 TO(erratic and way too much dribbling) 4)  Ursinus finished 7th in the league.
Don't get me wrong, I think Cousart is a good player, but no need to bash other players when you haven't seen them play all season.  Get over it and your obsession with Remy Cousart.  
I rest my case...

[Reserved Seat]

Interesting stat
Out of 392 schools ranked, F&M is ranked 392th for 3-point shots attempted per game. Gettysburg-211
Muhlenberg-213
McDaniel-375

Looks like the Centennial is not a 3-point conference.
Grinnell leads the nation with over 21 attempts per game.

Yes, I should have said made.  F&M is 67 for 187 (36%)
Grinnell 489 for 1308

I guess the number of attempts could be determined if I had a list of the 392 teams.
Looking at the chart for the top 75 percentagewise no team is any where near as low as F&M.
The closest to 187 on the top 75 percentage was McMurry with 141 for 341.


Actually, I believe those rankings are 3-pointers made, not attempted.  When I was looking earlier in the season, I couldn't find any place that ranks attempted 3-pointers.

[r.w. mcnickels]

Reserved Seat-

Interesting stats.  I think 3-point shooting could be the difference tomorrow.  Here's a legitimate question: will Gettyburg shoot a higher percentage from beyond the arc than F&M does at the free throw line?  I think the Bullets will -- F&M has been atrocious at the line all season, especially today.

I don't know of any Gettysburg posters.  Are there any out there?  If so, what's the deal with this team?  The Bullets started out with a very high national ranking, then dove into the abyss.  Now Gettysburg is back, and the No. 3 seed in the CC is a total misrepresentation of the level they're playing at now.  This is an experienced team, with everyone back from a Sweet 16 squad, including four senior starters and a sophomore POY.  Now that the "real" Bullets are back, I think we could be talking about a deep NCAA run.

F&M's day will come, but I'm afraid not this year.

[D.B. Cooper]

Pick adjustment

G-burg over F&M  (swapping iceberg for iceburg that Dip Titanic may sink on)

Am not as sure about 15-20 point whupping RW alludes to. Perhaps a late game heroic shot or a game-stopping zebra-call with time running out. Most likely Bullets by 5-7. I also anticipated a horribly called game when we saw the referees. This was as bad as I've seen all year. Between Barnes knocking players around & Liddic perfecting half-nelsons & hammer-locks but not getting fouls called. Yet multitudes of ticky-tack fouls called that shouldn't have been. I've got to agree ugly scrum, but Brooks sure played well when he wasn't in foul trouble.

[Reserved Seat]

Link to projected field

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

Doesn't say what happens if Gettysburg's wins.  Gettysburg isn't on the projected list or anywhere in the comments.

[Reserved Seat]

After a little research, this is the best results I could find for 3-point shooting

Dickinson  127-410
F&M           67-187
Gettysburg 151-456
Haverford    95-328
John Hopkins 107-329
McDaniel       93-312
Muhlenberg  147-482
Swarthmore  117-419
Ursinus        187-445(sixth best percentage in the nation)
Washington  131-406

F&M has by far the fewest attempts.

[BRCE4]

I saw the games yesterday and think Gettysburg is peaking at the right time. I like F&M's athleticism but I think their youth will hurt them against a very experienced Bullets team. I don't think it will be a blowout, championships are always hard to win. It was a great conference season with 9 teams capable of winning on any given night and Swat springing some surprises at the end. Regardless of who you root for, this is a terrific conference to follow.

[crambam]

If F&M loses, will they get an at large bid to the Tourney?

How can they be #1 seed if they win, and not in at all if they lose?

[Gabriel]

Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 05:57:36 pm

Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

Gabriel

You rest your case?  McKay and Jones played awful today-agreed 100%, but we are talking about the entire season Gabriel.  Let's see:  1)McDaniel finished 2nd in the league, well above Ursinus and with many big games by McKay and Jones  2)McDaniel 2-0 vs. Ursinus 3)Cousart had poor performances in both of those games vs. McDaniel with his 12 TO(erratic and way too much dribbling) 4)  Ursinus finished 7th in the league.
Don't get me wrong, I think Cousart is a good player, but no need to bash other players when you haven't seen them play all season.  Get over it and your obsession with Remy Cousart.  
I rest my case...

d3hoopsfan,

First of all, I don't think I bashed Jones or McKay.  Jones, in particular, is a wonderful defensive player----in my view the key to their defensive success.  Secondly, all conference selections are individual awards, not team awards.  How else do you judge if not by stats.  Every player has a bad game every now and then, Remy did have a bad one against McDaniel.  He also had at least two triple doubles and broke the conference assist record this year.  He does dribble a lot but the coach wants to have him push the ball and Coach Small seems to know what he is doing.

[Gabriel]

Miguel Jones & Josh McKay from McDaniel, two second team all conference selections, did not score a point between them against Gettysburg today.  Both were selected above Remy Cousart.  I rest my case.

While I agree that Cousart's numbers probably warranted a better position, it's understandable to me that Jones and McKay were selected.  Simply comparing numbers doesn't make sense when the players come from teams with such different styles.  One team led the conference in scoring defense but was in the lower half in scoring offense, while the other was dead last in scoring defense (by more than 2 ppg) but was 2nd in scoring offense.  When a situation like that makes direct comparison of numbers difficult, team success will end up playing more of a part, and McDaniel's season was far better than Ursinus'.

There was almost no way the the team with the 2nd best record in the conference was not going to get at least 1 player on the 1st or 2nd team.  Whether they deserved 2 spots is certainly a valid question.  Since I didn't see them play nearly enough (only once) to know how important McKay and Jones were to their defense, I can't say with much certainty that they did not deserve the selections.

fritzdis,

I understand what you are saying.  Selections like this are very subjective and one can argue either way.  McDaniel did have a much better season than Ursinus.  The loss of Matt Hilton was more than the Bears could over come given their lack of post presence and bench depth.  One correction to what you said, Ursinus finished first in scoring offense, not second.  But, they did finish last in scoring defense.  On to next year.

[fritzdis]

If F&M loses, will they get an at large bid to the Tourney?

How can they be #1 seed if they win, and not in at all if they lose?

The people in the Pool C thread seem to be expecting F&M to make it.  Losing 3 of your last 4 is obviously not a good way to go into the Tournament, but they looked a lot better to me today.  They just happened to be going up against a Gettysburg team that has become what they were expected to be.  Gettysburg's bad stretch of games will hurt their seeding, but I still expect them to do some real damage in the Tournament.

[crambam]

They ran into one hot shooting guy, from Gettysburg, and some terrible shot selection on their part throughout the game.  Frustrating to watch. 

[Reserved Seat]

If F&M loses, will they get an at large bid to the Tourney?

How can they be #1 seed if they win, and not in at all if they lose?

It all has to do with who's going to be in Pool C.  With many regular season conference champions losing, it makes being a Pool C selection a crap shoot.

Very tight game 66-65 with about a minute to play.

Gettysburg played a great game and deserved to win.  Capkin was on fire and played like the preseason All-American pick he was suppose to be.  Dorsey played a good game and Powers played a consistent game as he's done most of the season.

Selig had a great game for F&M.  Brooks hustle all over the court, but Milligan had a rare off night.  He seemed to be a non-factor in the game. 

The officiating seemed reasonable fair except for the walking calls.  These called seemed to be unevenly called.  Dorsey seemed to get away with several NBA drives.

Hopefully, the Pool C selectors looked favorable upon F&M's record.