MBB: Centennial Conference

[docmarc]

I will say hi to glenns wife and I will ask her to cut down the nets at Gettysburg when f and m beats the bullets in your gym next year.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

i like that, still some trouble defininig the formula though.  you mean an addition of those first four items minus the next four?

[CCHoopster]

To be honest, I don't know what the exact formula would be, I could have stated my last post differently. I should have said:

IMO, the following stats should be used when trying to look at a teams efficiency for games played to date.

FG%
OPP FG%
FT%
OPP FT%
Total Rebounds, not including dead ball rebounds
OPP Offensive Reb
TO Margin and/or Ast to TO margin.

I personally would leave out PPG because if looking for efficiency, a percantage would give you a tighter look than a whole number. I just don't know how you could create a formula with that. (Not a math guy!)

[bball2020]

Thank you for proving my point docmarc! Glenn does not recruit, and that is a fact. His assistants are the one's who go out and recruit! Did you even read my post on Chris Roger's?? Please don't tell me you don't know who he is like lusty! Coach Rogers recruited this entire team, so be thankful to him! They are running the system that was installed when Chris got there! When he left for Marymount, with no help from Glenn, the only thing that changed was the current freshmen class, which is subpar compared to Rogers recruits! And yes, i can say this about them because I saw them play when they were being recruited by f&m's assistants, not Glenn. So i would say Chris is an excellent recruiter, Glenn, not so much.
I wouldn't be surprised if she would want to cut them down since everything is about the two of them.
Also, you better becareful about making such predictions before you know what the teams will be like next year! You may be surprised at the recruiting classes that gburg and others bring in! I know it is hard for you to be humble though, typical!

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

bball, saying glenn is a bad coach because he might not recruit anymore is like saying joe paterno is a bad coach because he might not recruit anymore.

Yet, both squads are still getting top level recruits. . . .interesting

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

To be honest, I don't know what the exact formula would be, I could have stated my last post differently. I should have said:

IMO, the following stats should be used when trying to look at a teams efficiency for games played to date.

FG%
OPP FG%
FT%
OPP FT%
Total Rebounds, not including dead ball rebounds
OPP Offensive Reb
TO Margin and/or Ast to TO margin.

I personally would leave out PPG because if looking for efficiency, a percantage would give you a tighter look than a whole number. I just don't know how you could create a formula with that. (Not a math guy!)

thanks.  the way ive been doing it is more of just a quick and dirty method (it works better with nba since hollinger does all that stuff for me and gets inot the details ur looking at), biggest problem with d3 sometimes is finding the data

[sunny]

If you want to talk offensive and defensive efficiency by team, you are talking:

Offensive Rating (points scored per 100 possessions) = (Points Scored x 100)/Possessions

and

Defensive Rating (points scored per 100 possessions) = (Points Allowed x 100)/Possessions

As we often don't have easy access to total possessions, the accepted possessions estimate formula for college basketball is:

Possessions = .96 * (FGA − ORb + TO + (.475 * FTA))

Plug into excel and have fun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APBRmetrics

Offensive and defensive ratings are great stats because they are based on a fixed number of possessions, rather than "per game." Pace plays a big role in per-game stats. Offensive and defensive ratings helps destroy the myth that teams who always play games in the 50s are always good defensive teams and teams that play games in the 80s are always poor defensive teams.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

thanks a lot sunny, i forget where i got it from, i was using

Fg made + opponents defensive rebounds + to + 1/2 FTmade, i will definitely redo using new formula and see how compares

[bball2020]

I am starting to wonder if lusty and domarc share the same brain. Both bringing up Joe Paterno, lofty comparison! Interesting that both coaches have a lot of people that don't care for them! Also the same concern i have, neither recruit. Have u seen PSU's classes lately? Not very good! Nobody said he was a bad coach, just not respected. When you can't fulfill the job description it is time to go. Pretty sure recruiting is important part of coaching!

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

this really isnt a psu board, but like F&M's psu recruiting classes have been strong as of late.  Strong enough to win at least. 

[docmarc]

Bball how can you judge the recent recruiting class for f and m.  They are the deepest team in the centennial conference so the first years are not going to get as much time.  You may want to take some classes at f and m to learn proper analysis. The comparison with psu and Joe pa is fair. Grob and Joe pa are legendary coaches who are still doing the job.

[bball2020]

Why did u mention PSU then?
And no, there classes have not been very good.
Just like f&m's freshmen class.

[bball2020]

Docmarc, do you read the post before you respond??
I clearly explained how i know their freshmen abilities!
No classes needed, do u need a reading class??
I wouldn't bring up taking classes at f&m! U would think gburg and f&m are similar and their standards are similar, but it certainly is not. I will not bring up names as to who plays for you team that gburg couldn't touch because academically didn't cut it.
So please stick to basketball talk.

[CCHoopster]

Sunny: Great post. Thanks!

I guess I wondered a bit from the main point and was looking at it from more of a scouting report standpoint. I was thinking more along the lines of where teams strengths and weaknesses compare and as a result, how one team may plan to attack another or what areas they may look to take advantage of with the fact of never seeing one team play.

This would tell me F&M needs to defend the 3pt line and contest shooters (NCWC 36.1% 3pt FG%), NWCW may defend the perimeter well (NCWC OPP 3pt FG% 26.8%) so F&M should will look to create an inside attack before, then work outside, F&M can trade a foul for an easy basket defensively in spots and with certain players (NCWC Ft% 62.2%), F&M should be able to create turnovers and convert in transition (NWCW -1.2 TO Margin while F&M is +4.6), can attack and dominate the glass (NCWC gave up 379 Off reb and were only +.3 in total rebound margin to F&M's +6.7 total rebound margin).

                            F&M        NCWC

FG%-                    46.5%     46.3
OPP FG%-             41.4%     42.3
3PT FG%-             30.8%      36.1
OPP 3PT FG%-      31.3%     26.8%
FT%-                     70.8%     62.2%
OPP FT ATT-          513          562
ASST TO TO-          +.6          +.8
TO MARGIN-          +4.6         -1.2
REB MARGIN-        +6.7         +.3
OPP OFF REB-        245         379

[Pat Coleman]

I will not bring up names as to who plays for you team that gburg couldn't touch because academically didn't cut it.

You definitely should not. Nobody has any proof of anything that can be shown here.