MBB: Centennial Conference

Reserved Seat · January 17, 2012, 01:09:06 PM

Wednesday, January 18, 2011:
Johns Hopkins(haven't seen JHU play yet, could be close
Gettysburg
Haverford
Muhlenberg
Franklin And Marshall

Saturday, January 21, 2011:
Franklin And Marshall
Washington
Haverford
Ursinus
Johns Hopkins

Monday, January 23, 2011:
McDaniel
DeSales

Wednesday, January 25, 2011:
Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson
McDaniel
Ursinus
Muhlenberg

Saturday, January 28, 2011:
Johns Hopkins
Washington
Gettysburg
Franklin And Marshall
Dickinson

centfan · January 17, 2012, 02:18:58 PM

uc hooligan,
in terms of the liddic vs ward question, i think liddic is clearly more complete. he leads the conference in scoring but ward is right behind him so that is a wash. ward has a better shooting percentage but in truth all i have ever seen him shoot is layups (and tons of fouls shots). rebounding is where liddic really dominates ward. he averages over 12 (leads conference)and ward is over 5
(liddic leads in both offensive and defensive rebounds). ward's weakness is that he doesn't rebound the ball. liddic is 6'5 and leads the conference and ward is 6'10 and is not one of the top 10 rebounders. in terms of POY, i think it is much more between liddic and milligan at this point but things can change dependent on who starts (keeps) winning and who is responsible for that..

diplomaniac1 · January 17, 2012, 02:22:13 PM

Folks -

Here are my selections for tomorrow (Wednesday, January 18) evening's "Pick-Ems" games:

Johns Hopkins over Washington
Gettysburg over McDaniel
Haverford over Swarthmore
Muhlenberg over Ursinus
Frankklin And Marshall over Dickinson

I think several contests will be very close. It looks like I have taken all of the home teams!

Regards to all.

Eric

mulefreak02 · January 17, 2012, 04:53:37 PM

Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 17, 2012, 12:03:04 PM
Looking at stats, looks like a close race between Ward and Liddic for POY honors. Tomorrow's game could go a long way to deciding it. MuleFreak, you going?

hooligan, of course i'll be there. watching the mules beat ursinus is one of my activities, another being watching the mules beat f&m (which will happen on feb. 4 in allentown). liddic will win the POY race going away over jon ward. milligan won't even be in the discussion when f&m fades late in the season.

UCHooligan98 · January 17, 2012, 05:07:58 PM

Quote from: mulefreak02 on January 17, 2012, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: UCHooligan98 on January 17, 2012, 12:03:04 PM
Looking at stats, looks like a close race between Ward and Liddic for POY honors. Tomorrow's game could go a long way to deciding it. MuleFreak, you going?

hooligan, of course i'll be there. watching the mules beat ursinus is one of my activities, another being watching the mules beat f&m (which will happen on feb. 4 in allentown). liddic will win the POY race going away over jon ward. milligan won't even be in the discussion when f&m fades late in the season.

haha, we'll see about that! this could be a fun clash between these two up and comers. I agree on milligan, he's a fine player but he has so much help on that team it would be a shame for him to get the award over guys who are forced to carry their team.

because of my work schedule, this might be the one game i can get to. If, and its a big if, a deposition i have goes well tomorrow morning i should be able to sneak out of my office (northern NJ) and make the trek on 78! Hopefully the boys perform well for the traveling fans!

bullets · January 17, 2012, 10:12:04 PM

Just going by last years POY winner, Ward will have to really turn the team around and make it to the CC finals at least. The reason I say that is because last year Andrew Powers was in the top tier in almost all categories. Also, he led his team to the playoffs while losing three teammates after first semester, of which they accounted for about 30 points a game. In my opinion, he had one of the most impressive seasons in leading that team to the playoffs that I have seen in a long time. BUT, the bullets didn't make it to the finals and Milligan won it. I am certainly not saying he didn't have the stats to deserve it, he had a great season. He also had two other guys that had well over 1000 points! My point is this, the POY doesn't always go to who "carries" their team. If Ward can get them to the playoffs and into the finals, he would have a shot. This somewhat goes for Liddic too. If F&M wins the championship it would be hard not to give it to Milligan. He is so good and smooth. He handles pressure well and just seems very confident. They did lose a lot off of last years team, sure they still have good players, but without him they are not sitting with only one loss. Just my opinion, I am sure some will disagree.

UCHooligan98 · January 18, 2012, 10:42:40 AM

i have updated my results and i am 22-17 based on my formula (only picking conference games).

I have decided to tweak my preseason formula. No longer can i discount the great work of Hopkins and Wash, and I over estimated McDaniel. thus, my formula now looks as follows:

Ursinus beats all
F&M beats all but ursinus
Everyone beats Swarthmore
Everyone beats McDaniel except Swarthmore
All other games won by home team

thanks and best wishes to all

Gusthegoose · January 18, 2012, 01:37:24 PM

Washington College over Johns Hopkins
Gettysburg over McDaniel
Haverford over Swarthmore
Ursinus over Muhlenberg
Franklin and Marshall over Dickinson

Reserved Seat · January 18, 2012, 10:39:54 PM

Tight game at F&M. Dickinson didn't show the tenacity of Washington, but they tried to expose F&M's Achilles' heels.
The Red Devils packed the paint challenging F&M to shoot 3's to win. Unfortunately, F&M only shot 2 of 9, while the Devils shot 7 of 15 from behind the arc. F&M shot only 15 of 23 from the foul line, but fortunately Beckford hit 4 straight in the final minute. Wixted lead the Devils with 20 points and appears to be a force for the next few years. Honig drained another 18 for the Devils. With the Devils packing the paint, Salandra and Gyokchyan had difficult getting open shots.
Hayk forced numerous and had little success. Salandra had some early success with lobs from Milligan. Milligan lead all scorers with 21 points. Dickinson hit a long distance three at the end of each quarter. Nevertheless, F&M held off Dickinson 65-62.

centfan · January 19, 2012, 01:17:49 AM

could anyone who was at ursinus/muhlenberg fill me in on liddic vs ward? thanks

Gabriel · January 19, 2012, 08:22:05 AM

Quote from: centfan on January 19, 2012, 01:17:49 AM
could anyone who was at ursinus/muhlenberg fill me in on liddic vs ward? thanks

Centfan,

The Bears approach is Ursinus vs Muhlenberg---team play not individual battles. The Bears won an ugly game on the road. Muhlenberg has always been a tough place to play and win so hats off to the Bears. They were down by 11 at the half but battled back to win 63-61. Congrats to Matt Donahue for his 15 points off the bench.

Ursinus has had a problem at the line all season and continued the futility in this game shooting only 8 for 15 from the line. They make it hard on themselves. Kamara had another solid 11 rebound game together with two blocks. He played great defense and his offense is getting better each game.

Regarding POY, there are still 9 games to play but, at this point, I say it has to be Milligan.

UCHooligan98 · January 19, 2012, 09:18:46 AM

What a great game last night in Allentown. I was fortunuate enough to make the trip for my first Division III basketball game in about 7 years, and was rewarded with at great comeback. Like i suspected through reading up on the team, the Bears really seem to be coming into their own as the season progresses (what you expect from a young team, especially with the bench effort).

Perhaps secondary to the Bears win, i met up with MuleFreak and thanks to the win he had to buy the first round at the old Rookies (sadly its called Roosevelts now). with F&M struggling, this conference is wide open for these two young teams.

oftdip · January 19, 2012, 02:22:25 PM

UC:
Got to hand it to you... your Bears stormed back to take the Mules last night... great win and tough loss for the 'Berg... I do applaud the camaraderie between rival fans - you and the MuleFreak... Maybe if, and I do mean if, the Centennial championships come back to Mayser next month AND if the Bears can get there, we can get you over the IHB which is on the ground floor of one of our dorms and wager some Amish brews!!!

mulefreak02 · January 19, 2012, 09:38:37 PM

decent win for ursinus last night, but i'm still not too concerned...this conference is up for grabs. in a few weeks, you can bet the mules will have something to say about who goes dancing. i still think liddic is POY, with my man malique a very strong candidate to sweep the award for the next three years.

nice to meet you hooligan, it must have been hard for you to visit the "slums" of allentown! at least we were able to find common ground in our hatred of f&m and the big dog himself, coach glenn. oftdip, i'd love to take you up on that Amish beer but i don't think the playoffs will be in lancaster this year - the dips are going to fade fast!

UCHooligan98 · January 20, 2012, 09:57:26 AM

Quote from: mulefreak02 on January 19, 2012, 09:38:37 PM
decent win for ursinus last night, but i'm still not too concerned...this conference is up for grabs. in a few weeks, you can bet the mules will have something to say about who goes dancing. i still think liddic is POY, with my man malique a very strong candidate to sweep the award for the next three years.

nice to meet you hooligan, it must have been hard for you to visit the "slums" of allentown! at least we were able to find common ground in our hatred of f&m and the big dog himself, coach glenn. oftdip, i'd love to take you up on that Amish beer but i don't think the playoffs will be in lancaster this year - the dips are going to fade fast!

nice to meet you as well Mule. Yeah from what i've been hearing that guy hasnt changed a bit since i was going to games years ago! you'd think the ranting and raving act would get old after a while.