MBB: Centennial Conference

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

to old, it was Muhlenberg, not ursinus that beat fandm. 

I'm not convinced F&M would not get in the NCAAs with a 22-5 overall record.  Right now, my best guess is pool c has the losers of the amcc, mwc, asc, ncac, e8, scac, uaa and wiac, along with 2 runners up in the nescac, odac and sky.  thats 14.  Then you get the conferences where the best team, a tournament caliber team, gets upset.  Those teams get thrown in the pool, along with the other Mid Atlantic teams i didnt mention above (GM, Keystone).  So Pool C could be as big as 24-26, as small as 14-16.  And even then i dont know where F&M falls in the minds of the committee. 

[latitudee6423]

What are the playoff scenarios going into Saturday's games?

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

this is my best stab at it:

winner of GBurg/McDaniel plays Dickinson in the 2/3.  If its mcdaniel (assuming a Dickinson loss to F&M), then Dickinson would wear white.  Not sure about the GB/Dickinson tiebreaker.

Mcdaniel has clinched a playoff bid by virtue of tiebreakers.  If GBurg loses, the Bullets clinch with either a haverford loss or an ursinus loss.  However, if GB loses and both ursinus and Haverford win, then gb is OUT and both ursinus and haverford are in as the 4/5 game.

If GB beats mcdaniel, then only haverford OR Ursinus can make it.  Ursinus owns the tiebreaker should both win.

Finally, if Haverford loses and muhlenberg beats ursinus, then muhlenberg is in as the 5.

[diplomaniac1]

Folks -

Here are my selections for tomorrow's "Pick-Em" games as follows:

Washington over Johns Hopkins (a real coin flip - just a hunch)
Gettysburg @ McDaniel (in Bream/Gettysburg still looking for playoff spot - needs it more than McDaniel)
Haverford over Swarthmore (a bit better)
F&M over Dickinson @Mayser)
Muhlenberg over Usinus (@ the Mule Barn)

Will be at Mayser tomorrow. Enjoy the games. Regards to all

Eric

[r.w. mcnickels]

this is my best stab at it:

winner of GBurg/McDaniel plays Dickinson in the 2/3.  If its mcdaniel (assuming a Dickinson loss to F&M), then Dickinson would wear white.  Not sure about the GB/Dickinson tiebreaker.

Mcdaniel has clinched a playoff bid by virtue of tiebreakers.  If GBurg loses, the Bullets clinch with either a haverford loss or an ursinus loss.  However, if GB loses and both ursinus and Haverford win, then gb is OUT and both ursinus and haverford are in as the 4/5 game.

If GB beats mcdaniel, then only haverford OR Ursinus can make it.  Ursinus owns the tiebreaker should both win.

Finally, if Haverford loses and muhlenberg beats ursinus, then muhlenberg is in as the 5.

Thanks for the breakdown Larry. I think Ursinus will win going away in Allentown today, win the 4-5 game, and then play F&M in the semis. Since halftime of their game at F&M, the Bears have played very well.

[docmarc]

F&M's loss vs. Dickinson pretty much guarentees that the Dips will not be hosting any NCAA tournament games IF they make it that far.  The Dips must win the CC tournament to get in, in my opinion.  Does anyone think that they can get an at large bid?

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

Doc,
it all depends on the depth of Pool C. iposted a few days ago that right now i see at least 14 competitive Pool C teams, and thats before conf tourney upsets.  I dont know where F&M falls in that mix of 14+.  but i would be surpised if they dont win the CC. its dickinson.  they havent been good in the15 years i've been watching CC BBall, and that'll continue. Good for them, they beat F&M in a tough to get up for end of season game. 

the only way F&m wll lose in CC tourney is with a chippy game like yesterday where the refs dont allow for the game of basketball to be played.  but should they lose, i think their resume will get them in. 

[r.w. mcnickels]

its dickinson.  they havent been good in the15 years i've been watching CC BBall, and that'll continue. Good for them, they beat F&M in a tough to get up for end of season game. 

the only way F&m wll lose in CC tourney is with a chippy game like yesterday where the refs dont allow for the game of basketball to be played.  but should they lose, i think their resume will get them in. 

This isn't the Dickinson of the past 15 years. Seretti is building a good program, and it would not surprise me at all if they win the conference next weekend, especially if F&M continues its recent trend of flat performances.

Saturday was a missed opportunity for F&M to climb in the regional rankings, as several teams above them (Cabrini, Wesley, DeSales) lost at least one game since last week. I don't think the Dips are going dancing without winning the CC. They have no signature wins, and have lost several games they shouldn't have.

[Reserved Seat]

F&M definitely played flat and were out-hustled by Dickinson.  F&M has enough talent to win next weekend.  The seniors will understand the importance of this game, and F&M has avenged all their losses when given an opportunity.  My belief is that F&M needs to win their conference automatic bid to get into the tournament.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

February is my down month, so at the very least this has given me stuff to do while i'm at work.  Looking throughout Pool C, should F&M lose getting in will depend on where F&M fits among a certain pack of teams, namely GM and Keystone regionally as well as Wooster/Wabash loser nationally.  There are a few divisions where the top teams have beaten each other up, not sure how the committee will look at that, but i think F&M could be in a good spot even with a loss (i just think their resume is better than GM's and Keystones).

Either way, this board will blow up Monday with the annual debate over hosting of games / Pool C bids.  I just hope the committee doesnt send F&M back to a long island type, impossible to travel place for Round 1,2. 

[Swat Fan #1]

Ok - I will try to make a stab at the All-Conference Team

1st Team:
-Georgio Milligan
-James McNally
-Spencer Liddic
-Andrew Powers
-Kevin Breslin
-Jon Ward

2nd Team:
-Will Gates
-Cam Baker
-Sam Permutt
-Matt Hilton
-Matt Dolan

POY - Either Liddic or Powers or maybe Milligan

Think I am at all close?

[Gabriel]

Swat Dad,

I think you are  very close.  McNally may be hurt by being hurt.  Powers is probably POY.

[d3hoopsfan]

There is no way Will Gates is 1st team.  2nd team is even a reach, I see more of an honorable mention selection.  Of course you are going to score points when you jack up half your teams shots per game.  Shooting percentage is low and what else does he contribute when he is not hitting shots?  McNally is definitely a better player than Gates and should be awarded 1st team.  A concussion injury should not take away from his overall body of work.

[Swat Fan #1]

D3 - haven't heard from you in almost exactly a year. Your post is almost word for word what it was last year. He ended up second team last year, had a bigger year this year while facing box and ones most nights. McNally I put on the first team and he belongs there even though he missed some games. He is a real talent!

[r.w. mcnickels]

Swat Dad, your picks look pretty good. I think the teams must have 5 players, with 3 post players and 2 guards, or 2 post players and 3 guards, depending on the voting. So, it will be very hard for 4 post players (Liddic, Powers, McNally, Ward) to make the first team.

It's hard to say how the coaches will treat McNally's injury when they vote. He is obviously a first-team player, but he still isn't back to his old self (and there are 3 other post players who had first-team type seasons). If the coaches leave McNally off the first team, here is what it might look like:

1st
F  Spencer Liddic, Muhlenberg
F  Andrew Powers, Gettysburg
F  Jon Ward, Ursinus
G  Georgio Milligan, F&M
G  Kevin Breslin, Washington

2nd
F James McNally, F&M
F Sam Permutt, Haverford
F Matt Dolan, Dickinson
G Will Gates, Swarthmore
G Cam Baker, Haverford

Close calls: Mike Baker, F&M; Matt Hilton, Ursinus

POY: Spencer Liddic
COY: Alan Seretti