MBB: Centennial Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Fact: F&M played 3 regular season conference champs.  please bring your scheduling argument to a board that needs it.  not this one

Doc and pat, please get your facts straight before posting

These are not relevant to the discussion. There are 42 teams in Division III that can call themselves regular-season conference champs. (More, actually, because of ties.) But not all are good enough to be regionally ranked.

This is sounding like a 1990's bracket discussion. That's not the way things are done anymore.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

dave, read our back and forth again, i never said they had 3 wins over other conf champs, i said they played 3 games against reg season champs ooc.  when determining schedule strength, it doesnt matter if you win the game or not.  people on this board (pat, and doc) made the claim that F&M didnt "play" anyone, and that claim is patently absurd!  

if you want to debate the quality wins measure, fine, but thats an entirely different debate.  also texas dallas, anna maria, ithaca, st joes maine, desales are all examples of reg season champs that didnt win conf tourney and i havent even finished half of the d3hoops standings list!  

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Lusty - you are right... I misread your post about "regular" season champs. But that being said... I pointed out your out-of-conference record. F&M went 5-2 against an overall record of 87-95 and lost to the only two teams that had above .500 records.

That is what is meant by improve the schedule.

[saratoga]

Lusty: All the best to F&M. All things considered, if the Royals couldn't host I know I'd much rather be at Mayser.
Cabrini hosting should have a sound bite from Allen Iverson when talking about "practice" from a few years back.
"Cabrini"?
"Cabrini"?...

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

lusty larry's lines are out!  This is based solely on whole season pace and efficiency.  no injury factors, end of season streak factors or travel has been taken into account (home teams given 2.5)

right now i have F&M -10 v NCW and VAW -13 vs DVC.  in Round 2 F&M would be -1.5 at VAW.

F&M's season will depend on how well it plays defensively.  what happened this weekend shows that F&M can get physical and out-muscle opponents.  their defensive prowess has improved greatly during the season, and that is not getting taken into account here.  should be fun

[Wolfpac]

Lusty: All the best to F&M. All things considered, if the Royals couldn't host I know I'd much rather be at Mayser.
Cabrini hosting should have a sound bite from Allen Iverson when talking about "practice" from a few years back.
"Cabrini"?
"Cabrini"?...

LOVE IT! just gotta love it.......LOL.......

[Reserved Seat]

At this point, it's just win 6 games(5 for some) and you're national champs.
F&M has the firepower to win 6, so it's just a matter of taking care of business.
Two years ago they would have been in the finals if they hadn't thrown the ball away on several final trips in the closing minutes.  No mistakes and you have a chance.

[docmarc]

With this draw, it will be tough for F&M to even make the Suite 16.  I predict a F&M win on Friday and a loss on Saturday night at VA Wesleyan against VA Wesleyan.  The doctor will be present for the occassion.  If you are going to VAW, drop me a line.

Lusty-  linking me and Coleman together is either a honor or a curse- I am not sure :-)  I think Mchugh was on target with the schedule issue and I will add that the Centennial Conference is weak compared to previous years- have you looked at its teams' out of conference victories???  BAD! 

Also, I will add this is a makeup from 2009.  We heard that the recession resulted in less travel for D3 teams and so F&M hosted 4 games when they only deserved to host 1st and 2nd round action.  Now, they travel further than to Salem- rough spot. 

I will be adding insight all day. 

[docmarc]

By the way, I would put the VAW F&M line at more so of a pick em.  The logic of making F&M a favorite is ludicrous! 

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

doc, you really dont know much about gambling if you think there is a big difference between 1.5 and pick em.  I'm jet setting to vegas this month on the backs of my NFL playoff run.  Honestly i would set the line at VA wesleyan -6, because that would be the public perception if i was an oddsmaker.  but my power rankings show i would take F&M anywhere up to -3. 

As for the scheduling issue, F&M schedule three teams of the highest quality.  No team in the nation, at least at first look, can say they played what F&M did out of conference (3 regular season champs).  Overall the numbers were weak because A, they played two horrendous teams, and B, they played the games at home or on neutral site and there is currently a multiplier that weakens home games. 

[docmarc]

Lusty- what sportsbook do you work at that makes you a line expert?  You are right there is not much difference between 1.5 and 0 I took a math course or two in the past.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

after about 30 deep breaths i'm ok to post.  the virginia wesleyan gym only fits 1100.  That would make for a great atmosphere if it was actually close enough for anyone to travel to!  theyll sell 2200 tickets in two days!  F&M wouldve had more than that on Friday! 

Theres no way a gym with 1100 capacity should be hosting in the NCAAs.  No wonder they dont lose at home, that place must be like a playground. 

[augie]

Lustylarry they also hosted the final four for women UofS played in that final four nice gym!

[ronk]

Larry,
  I was at that final four; your biggest problem is getting past the hour-long backup at the Hampton Roads Bridge-tunnel on a Friday afternoon(or any other time, for that matter). Don't know how well Va. Wesleyan supports their team but Randolph-Macon was in that final 4 and took up a lot of seats.

[LustyLarryintheToilet]

thanks ronk, yeah i took one drive there about 2 years ago heading down the outer banks and that stretch is terrible. Either 95 or the back way through de (which is how i'd go) its just a long and hellish drive.  i guess my shock is theyd choose an 1100 person gym over a 3000 person gym.