MBB: Centennial Conference

[crambam]

So I guess that means it's ok before the final 30 minutes.  MIT was swinging from the rim like monkeys.  Hell, they had a mini slam dunk contest.

[Hugenerd]

So I guess that means it's ok before the final 30 minutes.  MIT was swinging from the rim like monkeys.  Hell, they had a mini slam dunk contest.

Typically the MIT guys come out about an hour before tip to shoot around, and as Dave said, until the refs come out, anything goes.

[crambam]

Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

[Hugenerd]

Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

How do you define warmups?  If someone comes in during morning shootaround and dunks, is that considered before the game?  They don't even start the pregame warmup clock, in a lot of gyms, until 20-30 minutes before tip, so before that time would be before warmups. The refs come out 30 minutes before tip, that is when the warmup starts, thats why Dave mentioned the 30 minutes.  If there are no refs there, warmups have not started yet and there is no one there to call a foul, refs don't make calls based on hearsay. Before the refs come out, its just like an open gym.

[Hugenerd]

Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

By the way, they do mention 30 minutes.  Just look at Rule 2 Section 4, Article 1-2:

"Art. 1. The officials shall have the power to make decisions for infractions of
rules committed either within or outside the boundary lines from 30 minutes
(men) and 15 minutes (women) before the scheduled starting time of the game
through the referee's approval of the final score.

Art. 2. For men, at least one official shall arrive on the floor 30 minutes before
the start of the game."

So nice try trying to complain about something after the fact, but MIT didn't break any rules.

[ronk]

  The 1st round game between Becker and Wm Paterson started with Becker shooting 2 technical foul shots for a pregame dunk.

[Pat Coleman]

Ok, not for nothing, but I found the rule.  Nothing is said about the final 30 minutes before the game.

If you dunk during warmups, it's a technical foul. 

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR11.pdf

Rule 10, Section 6, Article 1 (e).

The penalty is 2 free throws to anyone on the offended team.

F&M should have had like 10 free throws before the game. 

Not that it would have mattered, based on how badly they shoot foul shots, but someone other than me should have noticed this.

Who is going to call the T? The officials have to be on the floor in order to call a T.

Every team knows this. They know the penalty for dunking in warmups with the refs on the floor.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

And by the way, if the refs are late getting to the floor... it still doesn't matter. They are the only ones that can enforce the rule.

And just for fun, I was told by a ref this year that just the attempt at... or the intention of dunking - made or not made; touching the rim or not touching - could be deemed a dunk.

But again... they have to see it to call it.

The NCAA years ago didn't allow players on the court until exactly 25 minutes before tip (warm-up ending five minutes short of tip to have time for national anthem and starting line-ups). They have changed that to 55 minutes, but refs are still not required to be there until 30 minutes and that is only fair.

[onetinsoldier]

And by the way, if the refs are late getting to the floor... it still doesn't matter. They are the only ones that can enforce the rule.

And just for fun, I was told by a ref this year that just the attempt at... or the intention of dunking - made or not made; touching the rim or not touching - could be deemed a dunk.

But again... they have to see it to call it.

The NCAA years ago didn't allow players on the court until exactly 25 minutes before tip (warm-up ending five minutes short of tip to have time for national anthem and starting line-ups). They have changed that to 55 minutes, but refs are still not required to be there until 30 minutes and that is only fair.

i'm shocked, shocked to find that the NCAA would have such specific rules against something as harmless as dunking!   

[diplomatjunkie]

From what I heard, Georgio sprained his foot during the Amherst game the night before, making walking difficult prior to the MIT game.  That had to slow him on the court.  He was frequently double and triple teamed had to be exhausted.  Add to that Porter's injury. Porter usually looks like a cobra on defense.  He crouches low, and looks his opponent right in the eye, and follows his every move.  He wasn't crouching so low last night.

That said, I didn't see the fire in the team last night.  Often, I have seen them open the game a little on the slow side, after halftime, they come out of the locker room with a new attidtude.  Not last night.  The Dips played a fairly physical game against Amherst, maybe they were all tired.

Well, I am looking forward to next year.  Losing Georgio is huge, but then there was the year they lost Chris Finch, Will Lasky, Mark  "Magic" Maggioncalda, Dave "Wild Thing" Wilding, and Tom Nicholson.  Ed Plakens was the only returning experience, and Dave Jannetta took over as the starting point gaurd.  The record was 24 and 4.  Robinson knows how to reload. 

 

 

[crambam]

If a team is in uniform, and are warming up on the court, that would be warmups. 

I agree the refs are the only ones who can enforce a rule, but the officials not being on the floor is their incompetence.  Their lack of being on the floor doesn't change a rules violation.  There's a reason no teams do this.

MIT's players got away with several there.  Not that it would have mattered, but I hope at some point they do that again, and a ref has some guts.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

crambam - read the rule book... unless they change the rules... your argument is moot.

Refs are told when to arrive on the court... saying they are incompetent for not being their sooner is not a fair or smart argument. They are doing their jobs according to the rule book.

F&M players could have been dunking, too, if they wanted. Nothing was stopping them. And in the long run, what exactly did what happened during the warm up time from 55-30 minutes before the game actually impact - nothing.

The refs don't have to have some "guts" and they are not going reward the T's based on speculation and information they did not see ahead of time. Did you see any of the F&M coaching staff complaining? No... they know the rules, too.

[crambam]

I did read the rule book, and nothing is said for this rule about the time.

Whether you think an argument is fair or smart doesn't change that MIT was swinging from F&M's rim like monkeys during their warmup.  That's nice excuse you have there, but this happened. 

F&M players COULD have been dunking too?  That's the two wrongs make a right defense. 

There is no speculation.  It's fact.  It was right in front of me.  Literally, about 7-10 feet away.  Just because a ref wasn't ready to do his job doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm not saying it impacted the game, obviously.  But it happened.

If F&M didn't complain, that doesn't mean it didn't happen either.

[njf1003]

I forgot someone last time....

Congrats to Georgio for NABC POY and D3hoops Co-POY with a very deserving Cory Lemons from Cabrini as well.
Also shout out to our new player Hank Gyokchyan who earned 3rd team. (I'm guess they mean Hayk).

Also congrats to Kevin Breslin from Washington for 3rd team and Malique Killig, Muhl for regional rookie of the year, and Spencer Liddic 1st team, Muhl as well.

[Pat Coleman]

I did read the rule book, and nothing is said for this rule about the time.

CRAM: It does not matter. Who is going to enforce rules if the officials are not present?

I get the impression this is new to you but trust me, it is not new to players or coaches. I can remember 20 years ago people knowing they had to stop dunking when officials hit the floor before the game.