MBB: Centennial Conference

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

So what part of the following are you not understanding:

"Art. 1. The officials shall have the power to make decisions for infractions of
rules committed either within or outside the boundary lines from 30 minutes
(men) and 15 minutes (women) before the scheduled starting time of the game
through the referee's approval of the final score.

Art. 2. For men, at least one official shall arrive on the floor 30 minutes before
the start of the game."

That is when refs are told to be there... that is when they are allowed to start handing out infractions... and thus the warm-up time BEFORE that doesn't matter!

[Hugenerd]

Cram, read my post from yesterday. The 30 minute rule is in the NCAA rule book (Dave also quotes it above).

[Swat Fan #1]

Too soon, or can we start talking about next year? Would love to hear about recruits, expectations, and who will be the best teams.

[Dips75]

Too soon, or can we start talking about next year? Would love to hear about recruits, expectations, and who will be the best teams.

Why not? All the CC teams are done now. Seems as good a time as any to talk about 2012-13 CC hoops.

[centfan]

congrats to f&m on a terrific season. MIT was better the other night. kates ran his team better than milligan did, which doesn't happen often. kates went by giorgio at will all game and either finished or dished. going down to a better team is nothing to be ashamed of. congrats to F&M for a great run!

[ronk]

   Don't know if he's a recruit, but a player from the watch list of good DC metro players has verballed for F&M -
       Gordon Rogo McLean(Va) High School  6'2"G 13.5 ppg       

[D.B. Cooper]

Congrats to Giorgio on being D3 Hoops co-regional POY with Lemons. Also thanks to GM on 4 great years of thrills and entertainment seldom seem at the D3 level, what a gutty final performance with an injured wheel.

A final point that bothers me when people keep saying Kates (by the way Kates was surperb beyond any words I can offer) abused Milligan (blew by him etc.) is that Milligan played the best game I've can recall by someonewith a badly injured foot. Plus the also maimed Porter should have been guarding Kates frequently, but he couldn't play at even 50% of his normal skill level after his sprain. It is quite possible that even with the Dip starting guards healthy the big yet white hot shooting MIT team would have prevailed anyhow, but I think it would have been a fierce, closer game. In the end the F&M achilles heel of poor foul shooting plus the great talent size & poise of the MIT starting 5 may have been too much to hope to overcome.

Milligan is a great athlete & clutch warrior the likes of which may not be seen at F&M for a long time to come. When the year started a would have taken a 20 win team in a heartbeat, but as they improved and the trio of Hayk, Early & Salandra improved  my expectations grew (I couldn't have dreamed of a 28 win season at the start).

Thanks again Georgio, thanks for the memories

[D.B. Cooper]

Ronk. Thanks for info.

Rogo sounds like a blue chip recruit. If he comes to F&M it might help ease the pain of Georgio's graduation a little. But in D3 you never know till they show up in uniform.

[centfan]

db cooper...giorgio has gotten his well deserved due...every major award and tons of respect. you and i can't assess his injury or anyone else's. alot of guys are banged up at this point of the season. give kates credit. he ran that game. that is all i am saying. please,no excuses. all good players play hurt.

[oftdip]

Rogo is the real deal according to a buddy who knows NOVA HS hoops well... He said it would presumptive to declare him as the next Georgio but he is right from the same mold...
As much as it pains me, Kates was the reason MIT advanced, even beyond GM's injury, FT and missed 'bunnies' ...

[onetinsoldier]

I wanted to add that in no way should my praise of Kates be meant as a slight to Milligan.  In fact, when played tight milligan and porter both handled Kates fairly well.  But whenever there was ball rotation or Kates even had a slight opening, his quickness came into play. 

[ronk]

  Brandon Angradi(Delaware Valley(Pa.) HS - C says he's down to Ursinus, Dickinson, and Muhlenberg.

[ronk]

Rogo is the real deal according to a buddy who knows NOVA HS hoops well... He said it would presumptive to declare him as the next Georgio but he is right from the same mold...As much as it pains me, Kates was the reason MIT advanced, even beyond GM's injury, FT and missed 'bunnies' ...

  If so, then I missed him; I follow NOVA, DC, and suburban MD and didn't have him on my list of prospects. 

[crambam]

The only problem is the part of the rulebook you site is a completely different part of the rulebook than the infraction.  Plus, MIT WAS dunking within 30 minutes too.

The argument that "if the refs didn't call it, it wasn't an infraction" is ridiculous.

That's like saying LVC's 1994 title is actually relevant because some dumb ref doesn't realize that when the buzzer goes off, the game is over.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Last time I am addressing this... how is a ref supposed to call an infraction if they are NOT on the floor?! They can't call something they don't actually see! You can't have people other then refs coming up and saying, "hey, they were dunking about two minutes ago." That isn't fair, impartial, etc. And if they were dunking with less than 30 minutes remaining, I suspect the refs hadn't made it to the floor at that point. I know about when they arrived... I was on the floor at the time and even chatted with one of them.

Learn the rules... learn how warm-ups are conducted... go to other games where this happens ALL the time. Unless refs are on the floor - and they are not allowed to be there earlier than 30 minutes prior to a game - an infraction can not be called... period.

And just because it is in a different part of the rule book doesn't mean it all doesn't apply! You don't read one section and ignore others... they all go together.

You are sounding more and more like sour grapes over something that is completely innocuous in the grand scheme of things.