MBB: Centennial Conference

[TeamMonix]

How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

[Corporal Hicks]

     Real mature, ALL of you.   Nothing like acting like a bunch of big, strong, and opinionated men hiding behind keyboards bashing people who don't even have a chance to stand up for themselves. 

   Monix.... We understand you are one of Coach Mclary's boys who continues to narrow down the options to many people on this blog and thats fine, but I can say with the utmost confidence that he was not fired due to one disgusted parent(Hoopdog1414) bashing him on a forum in which most don't even know exist.  When someone is fired there needs to be a case against them.  I am sure Athletic Director Goff & committee have been building a case for the last several years and determined that the time was right.  I personally was a fan of Mclary and his charismatic personality.  Someone who truly loved what he did.

   GoDiplomats... as the F&M faithful that you are, there is no way that you would know Malique Killing personally on any level.  Malique, one of the most talented players to ever even lace them up.  @Hank meant no disrespect to any of your favorite Dips, was just stating the facts.  Killing was a High Major Talent stuck in a d3 body.  Don't get me wrong, Federici is an outstanding shooter/scorer.  I think most would agree that he benefits tremendously from Robinson's system, which of course isn't his fault he is just doing what he is supposed to.  From a raw talent perspective I still would give the edge to Malique.  Federici will still have the more successful career and go down as one of the centennial greats for his great shot making. 

The rest of you Veteran Bloggers that continue to reference that 5 accounts are 1 personal thats just silly.  The language used when writing differs significantly throughout our dialogues.  You will also see the information I provided regarding The Red Devils is true come Fall when Brown, and Sherman both decide to opt out of their contracts and test free agency when they don't return to Carlisle.

Please, "Lets discuss sports in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect".

Corp. Out.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

Ha. Well. It has existed since before you started playing collegiate basketball... probably when you were in elementary school? The world doesn't revolve around you and your hatred.

[TeamMonix]

How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

Ha. Well. It has existed since before you started playing collegiate basketball... probably when you were in elementary school? The world doesn't revolve around you and your hatred.

Interesting stance.... Never played collegiate basketball but thanks!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Curious... do you get alerts when people message on the boards? Do you do anything else? Heck. Today is the first day I've been on the boards in like five days. It is the off season. Enjoy it.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

How could this forum existing without bashing Mcclary & Killing?

Ha. Well. It has existed since before you started playing collegiate basketball... probably when you were in elementary school? The world doesn't revolve around you and your hatred.

Interesting stance.... Never played collegiate basketball but thanks!

Also nice to figure out you don't have the same perspective those who have played collegiate sports have ... unless you coached collegiately.

[HopkinsNest7]

D-Mac-

How does coaching collegiatelly and playing give you the same perspective? Seems pretty par for the course as you haven't really nailed down who anyone is either.

Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

Lastly Killing is far and away the most talented player the Cent has seen and if you don't see that then you might need new spectacles. A 5'6 player who has the capability to play above post players and hit three point shots at an above average rate. Again I am talking pure talent. If he were 5'9 he would have played in the Atlantic 10, **** he almost ended up there anyway.

[Pat Coleman]

Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

I never said it was five accounts for one person and it doesn't appear Dave did either, but if that's what you guys want to admit to, go ahead.

[GoDiplomats]

     Real mature, ALL of you.   Nothing like acting like a bunch of big, strong, and opinionated men hiding behind keyboards bashing people who don't even have a chance to stand up for themselves. 

   Monix.... We understand you are one of Coach Mclary's boys who continues to narrow down the options to many people on this blog and thats fine, but I can say with the utmost confidence that he was not fired due to one disgusted parent(Hoopdog1414) bashing him on a forum in which most don't even know exist.  When someone is fired there needs to be a case against them.  I am sure Athletic Director Goff & committee have been building a case for the last several years and determined that the time was right.  I personally was a fan of Mclary and his charismatic personality.  Someone who truly loved what he did.

   GoDiplomats... as the F&M faithful that you are, there is no way that you would know Malique Killing personally on any level.  Malique, one of the most talented players to ever even lace them up.  @Hank meant no disrespect to any of your favorite Dips, was just stating the facts.  Killing was a High Major Talent stuck in a d3 body.  Don't get me wrong, Federici is an outstanding shooter/scorer.  I think most would agree that he benefits tremendously from Robinson's system, which of course isn't his fault he is just doing what he is supposed to.  From a raw talent perspective I still would give the edge to Malique.  Federici will still have the more successful career and go down as one of the centennial greats for his great shot making. 

The rest of you Veteran Bloggers that continue to reference that 5 accounts are 1 personal thats just silly.  The language used when writing differs significantly throughout our dialogues.  You will also see the information I provided regarding The Red Devils is true come Fall when Brown, and Sherman both decide to opt out of their contracts and test free agency when they don't return to Carlisle.

Please, "Lets discuss sports in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect".

Corp. Out.

@Corp in case you cannot read, I NEVER MADE ANY CLAIMS TO KNOW MALIK ON ANY LEVEL. I simply stated, using JUST DIPLOMATS AS EXAMPLES, of players that were better then Killings. From my observation, yes he was a very good player, but for an individual to make an outlandish statement to go as far as stating the greatest player in Cent history is just foolish, ill-willed, and idiotic. As I stated before and will state again, for as good as a player he was his ego and other game related antics taint and tarnish his reputation. I wouldn't dispute the fact that Fed benefits greatly from the offense GRob runs for him and the other wings but with all do respect he also has to work to get his fair share of buckets when needed. @Hank & @CentCraze88 clearly knows as little about basketball as a toddler does their ABC's. I am not disputing that Killing wasn't a good player, but for them to go to the extreme and say he was the best in Conference history is crazy. Using ONLY Diplomats, disregarding the other teams in the conference which undoubtedly have more notable players of their own, I simply made the argument for other players in the upper tier of this conference players. They are entitled to their own opinions on Fed, @Hank however, is clearly delusional if he thinks he could score 20 pts in the system....but hey one can HOPE! For future reference is you are going to try to debunk someone's argument you all should address it in it's entirety instead of nit picking at what works to increase your argument. You all seemly skipped to address Milligan and Gyokchyan, but addressed Fed....JUST SHAMEFUL.

@Centfan is slightly more rational and a better observer of basketball, which is clear through his critique of Milligan.

Georgio was a heck of a talent and should get the respect he deserves. Placing Malik over Milligan is disrespectful, my loyalty to F&M or not, Killing was no where near as good or as complete a player as Milligan was and is. An example of this is clear through whose career continued and whose didn't. Georgio is overseas playing in Costa Rica, had a few D-League stops and other stops abroad, while Malik hasn't seen the court past his time at Muhlenberg. Nothing against the guy at all, honeslty. I heard some really nice things about the kid, but he isn't the best player this confrence has ever seen.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

D-Mac-

How does coaching collegiatelly and playing give you the same perspective? Seems pretty par for the course as you haven't really nailed down who anyone is either.

I think playing and coaching in the college ranks gives one a much better perspectives of how this all goes together, especially the politics. Why coaches are hired and fired, how teams interact and such during their playing days, how coaches and players interact, even coaches and parents or even alums. For those who haven't been in those ranks I would think would make it harder to understand how that all comes together.

Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

I certainly haven't said anything about 5 people belonging to 1 account... but I do find it interesting that "HopkinsNest7" is answering comments directed at "Monix" ... I am not saying it is a connection, but it does seem the wrong account could have been used if the accounts belong to the same person. Just seems like an odd thing for HopkinsNest to do... to defend Monix... but to each their own.

Lastly Killing is far and away the most talented player the Cent has seen and if you don't see that then you might need new spectacles. A 5'6 player who has the capability to play above post players and hit three point shots at an above average rate. Again I am talking pure talent. If he were 5'9 he would have played in the Atlantic 10, **** he almost ended up there anyway.

I've been around the Centennial Conference a pretty damn long time... especially close the conference the last ten years if not more... and nothing against Killing, but there have been a lot of other players in this conference I think of before I look to Killing as one I thought was the best. He was certainly a good talent, when he knew how to play with that talent... or with his team. I found Killing to be more of a disappointment considering his talent level. I think when the coaches vote him second team in his final year it says a lot. And of course, I know the argument back could be that how McClary played him could have affected that... however, I think McClary gave him plenty of chances to help Muhlenberg to the next level, but Killing was shockingly unable to rise to the occasion. Heck, I was on site when Muhlenberg had the chance at a big upset in mid-January his senior year... they had the last shot. Killing did everything he could to screw up the opportunity and the Mules walked away with a loss. I never forgot watching that moment and just shaking my head... much like his teammates did at the time. His behavior leading up to that moment was also hard to forget. It is sad.. he had a lot of potential, but he never figured out what some of the greats do figure out... you are only as good as you allow your team to be. He never helped his team take the next step. He was overly selfish and wouldn't allow his teammates to be part of the game when he was out there. Not that I would compare Killing to Michael Jordan in terms of talent, but Killing could have learned something from Jordan - how to play with your team. When Jordan figured out how to trust his team (no matter how much he road them in practices), that's when the Bulls became one of the best teams to ever play the game. Remember, two of the biggest shots in Bulls history were not made by Jordan - he passed the ball to Paxton and Kerr. Killing, especially in the moment I witnessed first hand in their own gym, needed to learn that tactic.

Certainly, Killing will be in the conversation about some of the top talent that have played in the Centennial Conference, but three of the four names mentioned earlier just from F&M would trump Killing in my book (Federici is the lone exception, he hasn't improved from his freshman year).

[HopkinsNest7]

D-Mac-

How does coaching collegiatelly and playing give you the same perspective? Seems pretty par for the course as you haven't really nailed down who anyone is either.

I think playing and coaching in the college ranks gives one a much better perspectives of how this all goes together, especially the politics. Why coaches are hired and fired, how teams interact and such during their playing days, how coaches and players interact, even coaches and parents or even alums. For those who haven't been in those ranks I would think would make it harder to understand how that all comes together.

Also not sure how you amount 5 people to 1 account its just not reasonable.

I certainly haven't said anything about 5 people belonging to 1 account... but I do find it interesting that "HopkinsNest7" is answering comments directed at "Monix" ... I am not saying it is a connection, but it does seem the wrong account could have been used if the accounts belong to the same person. Just seems like an odd thing for HopkinsNest to do... to defend Monix... but to each their own.

Lastly Killing is far and away the most talented player the Cent has seen and if you don't see that then you might need new spectacles. A 5'6 player who has the capability to play above post players and hit three point shots at an above average rate. Again I am talking pure talent. If he were 5'9 he would have played in the Atlantic 10, **** he almost ended up there anyway.

I've been around the Centennial Conference a pretty damn long time... especially close the conference the last ten years if not more... and nothing against Killing, but there have been a lot of other players in this conference I think of before I look to Killing as one I thought was the best. He was certainly a good talent, when he knew how to play with that talent... or with his team. I found Killing to be more of a disappointment considering his talent level. I think when the coaches vote him second team in his final year it says a lot. And of course, I know the argument back could be that how McClary played him could have affected that... however, I think McClary gave him plenty of chances to help Muhlenberg to the next level, but Killing was shockingly unable to rise to the occasion. Heck, I was on site when Muhlenberg had the chance at a big upset in mid-January his senior year... they had the last shot. Killing did everything he could to screw up the opportunity and the Mules walked away with a loss. I never forgot watching that moment and just shaking my head... much like his teammates did at the time. His behavior leading up to that moment was also hard to forget. It is sad.. he had a lot of potential, but he never figured out what some of the greats do figure out... you are only as good as you allow your team to be. He never helped his team take the next step. He was overly selfish and wouldn't allow his teammates to be part of the game when he was out there. Not that I would compare Killing to Michael Jordan in terms of talent, but Killing could have learned something from Jordan - how to play with your team. When Jordan figured out how to trust his team (no matter how much he road them in practices), that's when the Bulls became one of the best teams to ever play the game. Remember, two of the biggest shots in Bulls history were not made by Jordan - he passed the ball to Paxton and Kerr. Killing, especially in the moment I witnessed first hand in their own gym, needed to learn that tactic.

Certainly, Killing will be in the conversation about some of the top talent that have played in the Centennial Conference, but three of the four names mentioned earlier just from F&M would trump Killing in my book (Federici is the lone exception, he hasn't improved from his freshman year).

You claim to know so much about this conference and then fail to realize Killing was selected to nothing his senior season. Rindock was the only Mules selection in the last 3 years.

[HopkinsNest7]

With minimal knowledge of the Cent as I am new within the last 7 years, I can assure you in that span no one has touched Malique Killing on a talent level. All anyone does on here is throw out F and M players who had better mentalities than Killing. Being a nice guy has never gotten anyone a cold blooded 40 points. Killing was voted to nothing his senior year after leading in FTs made, assists and 2nd in points. To put this in NBA perspective since we are all of a sudden using Jordan comparisons I'll make it brief. Here is the list of people who have accomplished that in a season: no one.

Maybe in Mardukas' fantasy world of dropping 20 but not in any other place has this occurred let alone to get NO recognition. Pure insanity.

No one.

[Hank Mardukas]

I've seen enough I feel the need to comment:

To Everybody: Yes, obviously Hopkinsnest and Monix are the same person. He messed up and answered a question that was to Monix on his other account which is Hopkinsnest. 

[TeamMonix]

haha nice try. Don't think I would have an account with "Hopkins" in it

[Corporal Hicks]

       Was only a matter of time until you all showed your hand.... Back in reference to Killing or as I like to call him "Centennial Iverson" (without the off the court issues of course).  GoDiplomats once again, I totally understand your loyalty to the Dips, but even Stevie Wonder could see that from a pure raw talent perspective that those diplomats don't touch Killing.  Yes, they most likely had more successful careers than Killing and No, that wasn't the argument this entire time.  Obviously a really good player on F&M is going to be more successful than a Mules Great.  No disrespect to the Mules, but no matter how good of a recruiter Mclary was, and he was good (i.e Killing, Stavetsky, Hargrove, Curry, Rindock(All Centennial Player), Mcleod(All Centennial talent who has battled bad knees from what I heard from my buddy Timmy in Allentown), Cohen, Miller(see previous posts), Mcclellan(NJs top rebounder13-14 behind NBA#1 overall pick Karl Anthony towns), Baez(transfer market), Cole(Skilled Post out of North Jersey), Talbert(3 ball assassin who can heat up.  Enjoyed seeing a little bit of his career at Randolph of NJ), German born Werheim(Raw talent with D1 athleticism), and Gnias from Springford PA who those of you who faithfully watch the Cent were able to see Gnias debut his nice floor vision along with up tempo style.  This past season only Rindock, Mcleod, Miller, and Mcclellan were still on the roster from that class(not really sure what the issue was with athletes walking away from the game. Thats beyond my knowledge).  According to what people claimed to be true in earlier posts Miller and Mcclellan will be walking away from the game and hanging their jerseys up. Unfortunate to see, but who knows maybe it had something to do with their loyalty to Mclary? I have no idea just throwing that idea out there.  Anyways despite Mclary being able to recruit ball players, Muhlenberg still stands no chance to out recruit F&M.  They are a perennial powerhouse every year with one of the winningest coaches in NCAA history.  They obviously always have the better TEAMS.  My point was Killing was the better TALENT.  Never did I say that was a recipe for winning culture and success.  There was a cloud above Mules during the Killing reign for a multitude of reasons that aren't fully clear to the public eye, but it seems that most speculate far too much considering we are all looking at it from the outside and weren't a part of the locker room from 2011 through the 2014-2015 season ended.  Killing who had many opportunities to play professional ball overseas decided to decline the opportunities and use his degree rather than rack up 5k at most per year playing in mediocre leagues.  Killing returned to his roots in Philadelphia where he now works in the financial district.  You can thank my buddy Ed from Philly who has ties to Friends Central which those of you who followed Killings controversial career know he attended high school. 

Moral of the story- Centennial Iverson (Killing) was easily one of the top 5 most talented players to come through the centennial.  Like Iverson, he never put it all together for whatever reasons.  No question there were more successful players, but if we're playing 1 on 1 Im taking Killing over the field.  Killing if he wasn't shafted with 5'6 height would have been a high major D1 player no question.

Corp.Out.