BB: Candidates for All-American Teams

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chakote

Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.

I dont like making the distinction between the teams as there is often just a small subjective difference from from one team to the next. 

I looked at who would make a fifth, sixth and seventh team and all players had great years - not good but great and it is a shame to leave anyone off the list.

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.

VERY WELL SAID JIM :) I think that Yacko is by far a great ball player all the way around and he is definitly a plus for his team both on the mound and as a ss, his bat is phenominal (sp) anyway Jim making these selections is a very very difficult task and I commend you on your success both as the head cheese of D3 sports and your talking column on daily dose. Keep up the great work.
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HALLEBASEBALL

Yo Yo chotkee or whoever I agree Its Jims list Dont like it make your own.  I personally dont know the whole country. Its playoff time. Stats, rankings, all region, all american,  all tournament dont mean a thing its all about the RING/

SCHMEGMA

Here's another name not on the list Ryan Bennick, 10-0 on the year 3 complete games(one in the regional), 2 saves (one in the regional), he also came back the next day in the regional after the 130+ pitch complete game and no hit Johns Hopkins for the final 4 innings, but Salisbury wasn't able to get the runs. Everybody states numbers against conference and tough opponents, check the stats. who ever voted or selected this team should consider covering a different sport because the don't know crap about baseball!!!

Browneagle64

Word has it that Yacko was also named to the football All American team (1st team reciever) 3rd team all-punter this past season for the panthers. Hahah. Just kidding. This kid is great, regardless if he wasn't picked.   
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.
...

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.
Wow!!!

Jim, that says something about your voters.  They knew enough about Yacko and the way that Chapman was using him to pencil him in as Utility.

njac08

Wow,  here we are again for the 2nd time with a huge bias against the NJAC.  How in the world is Ryan Kulick 3rd team??  I highly doubt many of the pitchers ahead of him could have put the stats up that he did pitching in the NJAC against the top teams in the coference every single game.  And nobody else from the conference gets a mention?  How about Mike Guadango from William Paterson??  monster numbers in the OF spot.  Embarrasing, 2 seasons of this and now we all know you will play second fiddle to the ABCA All Americans.  Which will forever be counted on as more realisitic thanks to this garbage.

A.G.

Even though I have a small issue...
...I am not going to bash.  I appreciate ANY MENTION that the D3 players can get...whether it be on a dedicated web-site like this or anywhere. 

Thanks to all for the thought that went into picking the teams.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: njac08 on May 21, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Wow,  here we are again for the 2nd time with a huge bias against the NJAC.  How in the world is Ryan Kulick 3rd team??  I highly doubt many of the pitchers ahead of him could have put the stats up that he did pitching in the NJAC against the top teams in the coference every single game.  And nobody else from the conference gets a mention?  How about Mike Guadango from William Paterson??  monster numbers in the OF spot.  Embarrasing, 2 seasons of this and now we all know you will play second fiddle to the ABCA All Americans.  Which will forever be counted on as more realisitic thanks to this garbage.

I wonder if Mike Guadango was even nominated ...
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utilitycat17

Quote from: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: gatekeper43 on May 21, 2008, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: oldcat on May 20, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
i would like to know why yacko is the 3rd team utility. He has better numbers than the 1st and 2nd team utility all americans. I am just dumbfounded  ???

Oldcat I must agree!!!!
Personally Yacko is the best relieve pitcher in the league hands down, there isn't another pitcher that can.....


The back story is that Yacko was nominated as a SS not UTL.  This may seem minor but all of a sudden Yacko's name does not appear with the other utility players. 

Yacko is a great shortstop but not an all-american shortstop this year.  He is a great asset as both a player and pitcher and is recognized as such.

I dont like making the distinction between the teams as there is often just a small subjective difference from from one team to the next. 

I looked at who would make a fifth, sixth and seventh team and all players had great years - not good but great and it is a shame to leave anyone off the list.

FYI - the stats used to compare the players are those from the regular season.  The stats reported on the release include the playoffs.

I can definitely understand if Yacko was viewed exclusively as a SS that he could have been left off completely.  He wasn't an All-American when viewed exclusively as a SS.  However, he was selected as a Utility Player.  Whether he was initially thought of that way or not, he ended up getting selected as a utility player.  That being the case, shouldn't he have been viewed against the other players who were selected as utility players.  Maybe he was, and it was the opinion of those in charge that he still didn't stack up.  It just seems as though that opinion is in the minority.  If he wasn't compared to the other utility players then how did he end up being selected as a utility player at all.  I'm just not following.  

KYGrizzly

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2008, 11:35:20 PM

I wonder if Mike Guadango was even nominated ...

That would be interesting to see the players that were nominated that did not make any of the teams.

Then again that might start even more arguments.

Bob Maxwell

+1 to A.G. and readers like him who understand the difficult issue with anything like this...

-1 to njac08 who obviously doesn't understand what is happening here... and will only agree when it says what he wants it to say.  If its that bad, why are you visiting and reading?

You are both entitled to your opinions... here is mine.

This site and those who take the time to maintain it are to be commended, not ridiculed for giving all of us a place to exchange our thoughts and obtain up to date information.

pudge27

Quote from: njac08 on May 21, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Wow,  here we are again for the 2nd time with a huge bias against the NJAC.  How in the world is Ryan Kulick 3rd team??  I highly doubt many of the pitchers ahead of him could have put the stats up that he did pitching in the NJAC against the top teams in the coference every single game.  And nobody else from the conference gets a mention?  How about Mike Guadango from William Paterson??  monster numbers in the OF spot.  Embarrasing, 2 seasons of this and now we all know you will play second fiddle to the ABCA All Americans.  Which will forever be counted on as more realisitic thanks to this garbage.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.  The folks at D3baseball.com sitting around a  table drinking scotch and devising new ways to stick it to the NJAC.  There's always going to be really good players left off of any of these lists.  If you don't like it, start your own website and have the NJAC08 AA team. 

Ralph Turner

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ESPN - The Magazine Academic All-American Team.

Selected by CoSIDA

College Division (D-II, D-III, NAIA)

First team

P -- Christopher Mock -- Greensboro
IF -- Jared Thoele -- Illinois College
OF - Rob Pietroforte -- JHU
DH -- Robby Finnell -- Univ. of the Ozarks

Second Team

P -- Jason Kealy -- JHU
P -- James Clear -- Denison
C -- Ryan Tryt -- Rochester Tech
IF -- Brandon Mauck -- Otterbein
IF -- Brent Voorhees -- McMurry
IF -- William Kropp -- New Jersey
OF -- David Nypaver -- Thiel
OF -- Shane Wolf -- Ithaca

Third Team

P -- Michael Matsui -- RHIT
C -- Tony Petulla -- PSU-Altoona
IF -- Daniel Poindexter -- Greensboro
IF -- Jonas Fester -- JHU
IF -- Justin Champagne -- Scranton
IF -- Neal Allar -- Amherst
OF -- Richard Hurd -- Rhodes
OF -- Dan Morrison -- Thiel
OF -- Cody Kidd -- Baldwin-Wallace
DH -- Mike Broccolino -- St Mary's MD


LargeTuna21

I have a big problem with Evan Bronson from Trinity (TX) not even being included on an honorable mention. The kid will be one of the first D3 kids drafted. He went 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA and 102 K's in 83 IP. Not to mention on 19 BBs on a team that went 35-15.

How exactly is that not worthy of some mention?

Ralph Turner

Quote from: LargeTuna21 on June 04, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
I have a big problem with Evan Bronson from Trinity (TX) not even being included on an honorable mention. The kid will be one of the first D3 kids drafted. He went 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA and 102 K's in 83 IP. Not to mention on 19 BBs on a team that went 35-15.

How exactly is that not worthy of some mention?
Sadly, Tuna, it is a problem with numbers.

There are 12 starting pitchers and 4 relievers on the AA teams.

Who is less deserving on the list?  :-\