BB: Pool B

[d3baseballnut]

So it is better to lose to a good team then beat a bad team?  Also York did get 2 wins against Eastern (3-29) and 3 wins against Gallaudet (8-23).

But its not one game its many.

Gallaudet is a conference game.

Eastern was a part of the spring break package that York PA took.  Very little choice in that game either.

I'll be honest, based on what happened to Luther last week when they went 4-0, but dropped bc they played poor teams, it would have been  better for york to cancel those games if they were out of conference.

I heard someone ask "so it is better to lose against a good team than to win against a bad team?"

I wouldnt go that far. I would say that it is better to not play a team at 3-30, than to beat them 20 to1

[paulisdeadman]

I agree that CSS is the UMAC, and deservedly so.  They have a very solid team and have for years.  As far as "they play the good teams" i wouldnt say it is hands down.  Not counting who beat who and who lost to who just scheduling.  Throw out the spring break trips because you cant control who you play usually. CSS played Mt Mcarty (30-23), Wis Lac (22-16) and St Thomas (31-9). BLC played Hamline (22-19), Carleton (21-21) and Minnesota State Mankato (38-15).  MSU Mankato won the NSIC and is going to the DII tourny.  Other than those 3 games for each the schedules are pretty similar.  I would be interesting to see what the OOWP was.

[BigPoppa]

Only D3 games count. Playing Mankato was useless as far as helping your argument.

[paulisdeadman]

Well aware, i was merely showing that BLC isnt playing all bad games.

[Ralph Turner]

I agree that CSS is the UMAC, and deservedly so.  They have a very solid team and have for years.  As far as "they play the good teams" i wouldnt say it is hands down.  Not counting who beat who and who lost to who just scheduling.  Throw out the spring break trips because you cant control who you play usually. CSS played Mt Mcarty (30-23), Wis Lac (22-16) and St Thomas (31-9). BLC played Hamline (22-19), Carleton (21-21) and Minnesota State Mankato (38-15).  MSU Mankato won the NSIC and is going to the DII tourny.  Other than those 3 games for each the schedules are pretty similar.  I would be interesting to see what the OOWP was.

Only D3 games count. Playing Mankato was useless as far as helping your argument.

And it was those games against the MIAC and the WIAC that we were considering when comparing York PA and BLC.

When the UMAC is a Pool A conference, then playing those games against the MIAC and the WIAC will be the games that are evaluated in Pool C.  Play games in the Metrodome!  There is lots of visibility in March for those games.

You guys are that close to being on everyone's radar screen.

[paulisdeadman]

Thanks Ralph, I really appreciate your banter.  Have enjoyed reading your posts for some time now.  Always honest.  Take care.

[OshDude]

I agree that CSS is the UMAC, and deservedly so.  They have a very solid team and have for years.  As far as "they play the good teams" i wouldnt say it is hands down.  Not counting who beat who and who lost to who just scheduling.  Throw out the spring break trips because you cant control who you play usually. CSS played Mt Mcarty (30-23), Wis Lac (22-16) and St Thomas (31-9). BLC played Hamline (22-19), Carleton (21-21) and Minnesota State Mankato (38-15).  MSU Mankato won the NSIC and is going to the DII tourny.  Other than those 3 games for each the schedules are pretty similar.  I would be interesting to see what the OOWP was.

Plus, a CSS vs. St. Olaf DH was canceled due to SOC having to reschedule MIAC games. CSS is known for cycling through all of the top in-region teams from year to year. Not so for BLC, and that includes this season. The SOC DH being canceled was unfortunate for CSS, which, as it turned out, could have possibly improved its seed with a strong showing in those games.

[BigPoppa]

I thought for sure that CSS would be a #2 seed at worst... possibly the #1 seed in the Midwest.  SOS must play a huge part in the selections/seedings.

[OshDude]

I thought for sure that CSS would be a #2 seed at worst... possibly the #1 seed in the Midwest.  SOS must play a huge part in the selections/seedings.

The Oshkosh seeds look good to me besides that glaring SNC over UWSP part. SNC should be #5 and UWSP #4. I'm calling out to anyone who has a plausible reason as to why that's not the case.

[BigPoppa]

I thought for sure that CSS would be a #2 seed at worst... possibly the #1 seed in the Midwest.  SOS must play a huge part in the selections/seedings.

The Oshkosh seeds look good to me besides that glaring SNC over UWSP part. SNC should be #5 and UWSP #4. I'm calling out to anyone who has a plausible reason as to why that's not the case.

I have no answer for you on that one. Iwas shockjed to even see SNC in the pairings, let alone as a #4 seed.

[BaseballFan]

I thought for sure that CSS would be a #2 seed at worst... possibly the #1 seed in the Midwest.  SOS must play a huge part in the selections/seedings.

The Oshkosh seeds look good to me besides that glaring SNC over UWSP part. SNC should be #5 and UWSP #4. I'm calling out to anyone who has a plausible reason as to why that's not the case.

As I have stated before I dont understand either considering UWSP has a better OWP and win percentage, but maybe they didnt want to put CSS and Point against each other in the opening round.  for the 4th time in 5 years.

BLC is close, they just need to try to schedule some more top teams. Everyone knows that year in and year out that Oshkosh, Point, Whitewater, Olaf, and Thomas are going to be solid. So get a doubleheader against one of them in the Dome if not two of them. Or schedule one of them and then a team out of the Central. Hamline and Carleton are good tries and made the MIAC tourney but are .500 teams and those were their top opponents.

[Ralph Turner]

The benefit to UST or St Olaf to schedule BLC is they get a team that is likely to have a good W/L record for their OWP.

[Ralph Turner]

There is much consolidation among the conferences and independents.  The GSAC announced an affiliation with the USA South in 2010-11.  Let's project the teams in Pool B in 2011.

Here is the link for the FAQ on national playoff criteria for Pool B teams.

For the 2011 season, the 29 Pool B teams are listed by region:

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago (Independent)
Nebraska Wesleyan
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (1)
Lancaster Bible (new full member that year.  The CSAC can use another baseball member.)
(Landmark Conference moves to Pool A in 2010)

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia

Midwest:  (0 -- UMAC moves to Pool A in 2011)
(North Central MN has repeated year-3 in the provisional process in 2008-09, and due to become a full member that year.  Let's watch that.)

New England:  (7)
Becker (NECC)
Brandeis (UAA)
Elms (NECC)
U Maine-Presque Isle
MItchell (NECC)
Newbury (NECC)
Southern Vermont (NECC)

New York:  (10)

Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8)  (EDIT: Going to the LL in 2011-12. June 11, 2009)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
Utica (E8)

South:  (2)

Emory (UAA)
Rust

(Captial AC moved to Pool A in 2010)
(GSAC and USA South affiliate in 2011.)

West:  ( 4 )

Chapman
Univ of Dallas
Menlo
LaSierra is scheduled to become a full member in 2010-11
(CSU-East Bay left for D-2 in 2010)

I count 29 teams in Pool B.  Depending on the Access Ratio, which was 1:8.65 this year, then 29 teams is 3 Pool B bids.

[Ralph Turner]

How Pool B fared in 2009

Chapman (Independent) won the West Region.  Lost in Game 13 to Wooster in the National Championship.  Regional record was 4-1.  They beat UT-Tyler 16-2, beat Cal Lutheran 7-6, beat Pomona-Pitzer 5-2, lost to George Fox 5-4 and then beat George Fox 7-4..  D3WS record was 2-2.  They lost to St Thomas 9-1, beat Farmingdale State 4-2, beat Kean 7-5 and lost to Wooster 11-7.

Ithaca (E8) went 0-2, losing to WNEC 16-5, and eliminated by Cortland, 3-2.

Sailsbury (Capital AC) went 1-2 as it hosted the "South" Regional, beating W&L 3-2, losing to CNU 5-4 (10), and losing to JHU 11-6.

York (Capital AC) went 1-2 at the "South" Regional.  York beat NCWC 12-1, lost to Shenandoah 11-2 and was eliminated by W&J 4-1.

Washington MO (UAA) went 0-2.  They lost to UW-Whitewater 3-2 and to Carthage 21-3.

College of St Scholastica (UMAC) went 1-2.  They beat St Norbert 7-6 (11), lost to St Thomas 8-4 and the UW-Stevens Point 9-3.

[CrashDavisD3]

Many out there doubt Chapman belonged this year. Chapman just played Chapman baseball when it had to and overcame some key major injuries to have a outstanding post season run.

Congrats to a great 2009 season.