BB: Pool B

[OshDude]

This topic is to discuss the Pool B teams for the playoffs.

Here is the link for the FAQ on national playoff criteria for 52 Pool B teams.

For the 2009 season, the 52 Pool B teams are listed by region:

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago
Nebraska Wesleyan
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (5)
Drew (LAND)
Juniata (LAND)
Moravian (LAND)
Scranton (LAND)
Susquehanna (LAND)

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia

Midwest:  (7 -- all UMAC)
Bethany Lutheran
College of St Scholastica
Crown
Martin Luther
MN-Morris
Northland
Northwestern

New England:  (6)
Becker (NECC)
Brandeis (UAA)
Elms (NECC)
U Maine-Presque Isle
Newbury (NECC)
Southern Vermont (NECC)

New York:  (11)

Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
US Merchant Marine Acadmey (LAND)
Utica (E8)

South:  (14)

Catholic (LAND)
Emory (UAA)
Gallaudet (CAC)
Huntingdon (GSAC)
LaGrange (GSAC)
Mary Washington (CAC)
Maryville (GSAC)
Piedmont (GSAC)
Rust
St Mary's MD (CAC)
Salisbury (CAC)
Stevenson (CAC)
Wesley (CAC)
York PA (CAC)

West:  (3 4 )

Chapman
CSU-East Bay
Univ of Dallas
Menlo

EDIT:  Menlo added to the list when confirmed by Menlo Coach Matt Daily.

Current contenders ... in-region records though 4/18 ... corrections appreciated.
Probables
St. Scholastica (15-1)
Salisbury (23-5)
Ithaca (14-3)

Contenders ... as you can see, I went very deep (in no order)
York (24-9)
Wesley (24-13-1)
Susquehanna (20-11)
Wash U (17-8)
Bethany Lutheran (17-4)
Baruch (13-6-1)
St. John Fisher (13-8)
Emory (17-15)
Huntingdon (14-11)
LaGrange (16-13)
Piedmont (15-14)
Maryville (17-14)
Chapman (14-11)

[baseballroxmysox]

This is ALL great info!!  In regards to a Pool B Bid - are all the Independents "lumped" into one category and the one with the best record gets into the Regional Playoffs??

Are these the only Independent teams:

Central:  Chicago, Neb Wesleyan
Mideast:  Finlandia
New England:  University of Maine Presque Isle
West: Cal State East Bay; Chapman; Dallas; Menlo

So there are only 8 Independents??

[Ralph Turner]

This is ALL great info!!  In regards to a Pool B Bid - are all the Independents "lumped" into one category and the one with the best record gets into the Regional Playoffs??

Are these the only Independent teams:

Central:  Chicago, Neb Wesleyan
Mideast:  Finlandia
New England:  University of Maine Presque Isle
West: Cal State East Bay; Chapman; Dallas; Menlo

So there are only 8 Independents??

Actually, Pool B gets clearer this Thursday with the first of the Regional Rankings.  The independents will be considered against the best teams in their regions and evaluated against other Pool B teams around the country.

Chapman is looking tenuous.

[baseballroxmysox]

Thanks Ralph - So who is looking best for the Independents??

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks Ralph - So who is looking best for the Independents??

I kinda treat the UAA as independents.  Pool B is such that the independents are not guaranteed a bid.

Emory may be the strongest team here for the "independents".  Otherwise they are weak.

[BigPoppa]

Like I said last week, Chapman is in serious trouble. I personally see them being left out.

[OshDude]

LOL. I made that post thinking it made Chapman look good. Maybe not in as of now but on the short list. Unless three CAC teams get bids, Chapman is definitely in the mix. Four of those 11 losses are about as good as West Region losses get, boosting OWP. I think CU is one of six or seven vying for three spots. Pretty sure at 20-11, which is definitely possible, Chapman has as good of a chance as any of the contenders. I even think 19-12 is possibly gold, but I've been wrong many, many times before. Just a hunch I have.

[Jim Dixon]

Salisbury and St. Scholastica are as close to a lock as anything.   Ithaca is also likely in with little problem.   York looks like like they could be the fourth team.  This leaves Bethany Lutheran, Emory, Chapman fighting for two slots.  Add a third CAC team and Washington (Mo) and you have a log jam. 

The bottom line is everyone else needs to win game and a lot of them.   Bethany Lutheran might make it on the strength of a UMAC tournament crown if they can get to St. Scholastica.

[d3baseballnut]

Personally, I think it is a travesty that chapman is still in the conversation. They have had such a mediocre year.

This just goes to prove what I posted earlier this year in February when Chapman was 7-4.

"If chapman can have the start they have had and barely drop out of the top 10, how would it possible for them to ever miss the tournament?There are only a few conferences in the west region. As long as Chapman wins 25 games, they are in....period."

This being the case while so many other teams win 35 games and dont even sniff at the tournament (UT Tyler in 2008)

[Ralph Turner]

Personally, I think it is a travesty that chapman is still in the conversation. They have had such a mediocre year.

This just goes to prove what I posted earlier this year in February when Chapman was 7-4.

"If chapman can have the start they have had and barely drop out of the top 10, how would it possible for them to ever miss the tournament?There are only a few conferences in the west region. As long as Chapman wins 25 games, they are in....period."

This being the case while so many other teams win 35 games and dont even sniff at the tournament (UT Tyler in 2008)

What can we say about 2008.  UT-Tyler couldn't beat CTX! 

We have a "double conference" in the ASC!  If we were two separate conferences, then UT-Tyler would have earned the Pool A bid from the "ASC-East Conference"!  Our ASC tourney championship game is the first round game in the NCAA playoffs for every other conference in the country.  Imagine the winner of the LEC-Division playing the winner of the NEWMAC-division for the "LEC-NEWMAC" Conference bid.

UT-Tyler "whupped up" on the ASC-East and then lost twice to the ASC-West "quad-champ" in the ASC-West tourney.  When you are sitting around the NCAA selection committee table, and you are considering at-large bids, and both Concordia-Texas and UT-Tyler are up for consideration, how do you tell the CTX kids that they won't get the bid because you are giving it to the team that you just beat?  And beat 'em...twice!  CTX and UTT just canceled one another out, and the committee gave the bid to someone else.

If UT-Tyler were in Pool B, then they would have earned the Pool B bid!

[Ralph Turner]

Emory's Pool B chances took a bad hit on Tuesday with the DH loss to Methodist, (8-4 and 2-1).

I count the in-region at 17-16.

[Ralph Turner]

Here are the Pool B teams that made it as they were regionally ranked

Pool B teams in the first Regional Rankings

April 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Central Region 
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)

4 Rockford (19-10; 17-5)  NATHC  (Pool A in 2009)  Knocked each other out in the conference tourney

6 Concordia (Ill.) (23-8; 19-7)  NATHC

Mid-Atlantic Region  None
Mideast Region     None

Midwest Region   None  (CSS works its way into the final rankings).

New England Region   None

New York Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)

2 Ithaca (23-8; 19-2)

4 Rochester (24-7; 23-7)
5 St. John Fisher (15-8-1; 11-7-1) 

South Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)
1 Salisbury (36-2; 32-2)
2 Piedmont (29-9; 27-9)

4 Emory (24-10-1; 22-8-1)  Lost out to CSU-East Bay in the committee deliberations (CSU-East Bay swept a DH vs. Wash StL and Emory split a DH.)

West Region
Rank Team (Overall; In-Region)
1 Chapman (28-3; 22-3)

6 Cal State East Bay (20-13; 14-9)

http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/04/24/regional-rankings/#comments


Regional Ranking #2

#  dixon Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Those looking for a Poll B bid:

Central Region
5 Rockford 21-11 19-6           NATHC
6 Concordia (Ill.) 27-10 23-9     "

Mid-Atlantic Region
7 Juniata 25-10 24-7  Landmark

Mideast Region

Midwest Region
5 St. Scholastica 25-4 17-3   

New England Region

New York Region
2 Ithaca 25-9 21-3
6 St. John Fisher 21-9-1 17-8-1

South Region
1 Salisbury 37-2 33-2
2 Piedmont 33-10 31-10
4 Emory 25-11-1 23-9-1
6 Mary Washington 25-12 22-11

West Region
1 Chapman 32-3 25-3

Source

http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/05/01/second-regional-rankings/#comments

Division III Regional Rankings

Central Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region

6 Concordia (Ill.) 28-11 24-10  NATHC

Mid-Atlantic Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region

9 Juniata 26-12 25-9   Landmark

Mideast Region   -- None


Midwest Region

Rank Team Overall In-Region

4 St. Scholastica 29-4 21-3


New England Region -- None


New York Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region

2 Ithaca 27-11 23-5

6 RIT 22-12 20-9

South Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region
1 Salisbury 38-2 34-2

3 Piedmont 33-12 31-12
4 Emory 25-11-1 23-9-1

West Region
Rank Team Overall In-Region
1 Chapman 35-3 28-3

6 Cal State-East Bay 26-14 20-10

Posted: 5/8/2008
Revised: 5/9/2008 (West Region correction)

Source--
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2008/05/08/third-regional-rankings/#comments



Pool B's for 2008

Cal State East Bay
Chapman
Ithaca
Piedmont
Salisbury
St Scholastica

[wustlfan37]

Washington U has a big weekend - two doubleheaders against Chicago and Case Western.

When do regional rankings come out?

[BigPoppa]

Washington U has a big weekend - two doubleheaders against Chicago and Case Western.

When do regional rankings come out?

Sometime today. Stay tuned.

[DIIIBASEBALLFAN]

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ncaa/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/0422regionalrankingsNR-DIIIBB.pdf

Who on this list is POOL B BID ELIGIBLE teams.