BB: Pool B

[BigPoppa]

Does anyone have updated records on the possible Pool B teams? In region and overall?

[Ralph Turner]

Does anyone have updated records on the possible Pool B teams? In region and overall?

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/NR-DIIIBB-4-30-09-RegionalPoll

Four Ranked Pool B teams this week.  I will post on the blog.

Records are thru April 28.

[d3baseballnut]

I cant believe Bethany Lutheran is not going to get in! At least it doesnt look like it.

Now all of the sudden the ASC is getting love by putting in a 16 (at least) loss team over 25-6 bethany Lutheran....and they are a pool B team! I know they might get it, and UTD may fall out, but that is the arbitrariness I am talking about. No room for BLU in the midwest? St olaf over them?? I don't care about their easy schedule. They have done all that was asked of them and had a great year. I guess they should have gone 31-1 if they were really a good team....

[Ralph Turner]

I cant believe Bethany Lutheran is not going to get in! At least it doesnt look like it.

Now all of the sudden the ASC is getting love by putting in a 16 (at least) loss team over 25-6 bethany Lutheran....and they are a pool B team! I know they might get it, and UTD may fall out, but that is the arbitrariness I am talking about. No room for BLU in the midwest? St olaf over them?? I don't care about their easy schedule. They have done all that was asked of them and had a great year. I guess they should have gone 31-1 if they were really a good team....

There are two bids still to give and I see that there are four teams that are "just off the table"...

Bethany Lutheran
Emory
Wash St L
York PA

I also wonder if there will be contender coming from the Landmark Conference, too.

[Ralph Turner]

I cant believe Bethany Lutheran is not going to get in! At least it doesnt look like it.

Now all of the sudden the ASC is getting love by putting in a 16 (at least) loss team over 25-6 bethany Lutheran....and they are a pool B team! I know they might get it, and UTD may fall out, but that is the arbitrariness I am talking about. No room for BLU in the midwest? St olaf over them?? I don't care about their easy schedule. They have done all that was asked of them and had a great year. I guess they should have gone 31-1 if they were really a good team....

Please remember that the Pool B bids are considered before the Pool C bids.

There are still 2 more Pool B bids to award.  I think that the 4 teams listed in this week's rankings will get Pool B bids.

[BaseballFan]

I cant believe Bethany Lutheran is not going to get in! At least it doesnt look like it.

Now all of the sudden the ASC is getting love by putting in a 16 (at least) loss team over 25-6 bethany Lutheran....and they are a pool B team! I know they might get it, and UTD may fall out, but that is the arbitrariness I am talking about. No room for BLU in the midwest? St olaf over them?? I don't care about their easy schedule. They have done all that was asked of them and had a great year. I guess they should have gone 31-1 if they were really a good team....

There record is impressive but you have to do some research on them and realize that their in region OWP is .448.
Only played 3 teams in their region with winning records. 1-4 vs those teams
Only played 6 teams overall nationally with winning records, four of them barely have winning records. 3-5 vs those teams, beat RPI
Biggest (not that big) in region win was a 2-1 win over Carleton.

Just no wow factor, but if they beat CSS once in the conference tourney they might get in, if they beat them twice i could see them getting in.

[Ralph Turner]

I am thinking the same thing about BLC.  Two wins over CSS and they should be in.

No wins means that they should be easy to leave out.

I am wondering how hard it will be to guess the 6th Pool B bid.

[JohnnyU]

Pool B Records (In-Region)

St. Scholastica 29-2 (20-1)
Salisbury 35-6 (28-6)
Ithaca 25-7 (19-4)
Chapman 24-13 (17-11)
York 27-13 (27-13)
WashU 23-10 (22-8)
Bethany Lutheran 25-6 (22-4)
Emory 24-18 (22-18? Not really sure)

[Ralph Turner]

Pool B Records (In-Region)

St. Scholastica 29-2 (20-1)
Salisbury 35-6 (28-6)
Ithaca 25-7 (19-4)
Chapman 24-13 (17-11)
York 27-13 (27-13)
WashU 23-10 (22-8)
Bethany Lutheran 25-6 (22-4)
Emory 24-18 (22-18? Not really sure)

Thanks

Emory's non-region games are BSC (provisional year #2), Haverford, Atlanta Christian, North Central, North Georgia.  Emory is 18-17 in South Region games.

Wash U -- I have 23-9. (McKendree is NAIA.)

[BigPoppa]

I like WashU for the last Pool B slot right now. Assuming they can split at minimum with Webster this weekend.

[Ralph Turner]

I like WashU for the last Pool B slot right now. Assuming they can split at minimum with Webster this weekend.

I think that Bethany Lutheran needs to win the UMAC tourney to get a Pool B.  When you are looking at in-region results versus regionally ranked teams, then 2 wins versus 2-3 losses against CSS is creditable.

In a sense of perspective, the UMAC championship is for the bid that a "Pool A" would get.  If BLC beats CSS, then CSS falls to the at-large slot, that just happens to be in Pool B.

[wustlfan37]

I cant believe Bethany Lutheran is not going to get in! At least it doesnt look like it.

Now all of the sudden the ASC is getting love by putting in a 16 (at least) loss team over 25-6 bethany Lutheran....and they are a pool B team! I know they might get it, and UTD may fall out, but that is the arbitrariness I am talking about. No room for BLU in the midwest? St olaf over them?? I don't care about their easy schedule. They have done all that was asked of them and had a great year. I guess they should have gone 31-1 if they were really a good team....

16 of Bethany Lutheran's 26 wins are against:

Crown – 3-22
Martin Luther – 9-23
Minnesota Morris – 6-26
Northwestern – 14-19
North Central - 8-21

Just because they have 26 wins doesn't give them credibility.  Does that mean that a team like WashU should load their schedule with teams like MacMurray and Eureka, and avoid playing Illinois Wesleyan, Webster, Rochester, and Emory? 

[Ralph Turner]

Welcome wustlfan37,

Bring your friends.

I think that the Bears can play themselves into the playoffs this weekend.

Rochester and Emory are UAA games.  Those are a given.  It is the games against IWU and Webster that are going to make the case for WUSTL.   

The games that you cited (except North Central) are conference games for BLC.

[OshDude]

I cant believe Bethany Lutheran is not going to get in! At least it doesnt look like it.

Now all of the sudden the ASC is getting love by putting in a 16 (at least) loss team over 25-6 bethany Lutheran....and they are a pool B team! I know they might get it, and UTD may fall out, but that is the arbitrariness I am talking about. No room for BLU in the midwest? St olaf over them?? I don't care about their easy schedule. They have done all that was asked of them and had a great year. I guess they should have gone 31-1 if they were really a good team....

16 of Bethany Lutheran's 26 wins are against:

Crown – 3-22
Martin Luther – 9-23
Minnesota Morris – 6-26
Northwestern – 14-19
North Central - 8-21

Just because they have 26 wins doesn't give them credibility.  Does that mean that a team like WashU should load their schedule with teams like MacMurray and Eureka, and avoid playing Illinois Wesleyan, Webster, Rochester, and Emory? 

To put a finer point on it, BLC played NCU from Minnesota, not NCC from Illinois. NCU is one of the Midwest's two winless (in-region only) teams with an 0-23 record.

I have Wash U at 22-8 in-region (explained below) with an OWP of roughly .480, which is not exact as I just added the Maryville winning percentage to the winning percentages I had through Tuesday, but it's pretty close. I'm starting to like the Bears quite a bit. They have a great opportunity to solidfy their chances with one more win over Webster. Two wins and I think it's a given, even with losses to teams like Illinois College and Case.

As for Emory/Wash U, the Case game for EU in Georgia is in-region regardless because of Administrative Regions, but is there any valdity the recent post regarding UAA games being in-region (due to ties to the UAA, not the other criteria for in-region ... i.e. What about Wash U vs. Case outside Florida?) if it occurs outside the Florida get-together?. I'm buying it.

Anyway, the U Dallas/EU games should not be in-region, right? So, I have EU at 24-18 overall, 17-16 in-region. No idea about an OWP, but 17-16 and 1-3 vs. currently ranked teams is a contender? What a mess we have ... good luck projecting those last two Pool B's, fellas! Hope it all clears itself up over the next week or so.
Emory not counted:
1-0 N. Georgia
1-1 U of D
1-0 ACC
2-0 NCC
1-0 HC
1-1 BSC

[BaseballFan]

North Central - 8-21

To put a finer point on it, BLC played NCU from Minnesota, not NCC from Illinois. NCU is one of the Midwest's two winless (in-region only) teams with an 0-23 record.

actually north central is 0-26