BB: Pool B

BaseballFan · May 03, 2009, 03:00:01 PM

I agree with Oshdude, Bethany Lutheran is not in at this point. They need to beat St. Scholastica twice in the conference tourney to get in.

Ralph Turner · May 03, 2009, 06:44:46 PM

Chapman is up 6-1 on UDallas in the bottom of the second, all 6 runs scoring with 2 outs. UDallas is falling away as well.

I think that we need to keep Susquehanna in mind, too.

Matt Luzar is in on the mound for Chapman. No Kitchens this weekend.

Jack Parkman · May 03, 2009, 08:05:29 PM

Hey Ralph, how much did yesterday's loss hurt Chapman? I remember someone saying they needed to go 5-1 over their last 6, and it looks like they are doing just that.

Ralph Turner · May 03, 2009, 08:49:36 PM

Jack, I think that the 2-1 series with UDallas went as Chapman wanted.

BLC has played itself out of Pool B. York PA lost to Ferrum yesterday, and today's game was canceled.

I believed that Chapman was the 4th or 5th best Pool B going into the weekend.

Since then, they have consolidated their hold on a bid.

I think that the tough call will be for the 6th bid, with so few stellar candidates.

On my list for 6th are WashUStL and Susquehanna.

Except that Susquehanna went 2 and BBQ in the Landmark tourney.

I get Susque at 24-16 in region. 26-14 in-region would have been a stronger sell.

Mr. Ypsi · May 03, 2009, 09:31:03 PM

Ralph, you've got me confused (not uncommon

): I thought after their sweep of Webster, you had Wash U at about 4th, but now have them in the mix for 6th.

Could you review your top 7-8 list as you currently see them?

Ralph Turner · May 03, 2009, 09:46:46 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 03, 2009, 09:31:03 PM
Ralph, you've got me confused (not uncommon ): I thought after their sweep of Webster, you had Wash U at about 4th, but now have them in the mix for 6th.

Could you review your top 7-8 list as you currently see them?

Yeah, thanks for reminding about the Webster series! $:-\$

Solid...

Salisbury
CSS
Ithaca
Chapman (26-14/ 19-12 but has wins over Ithaca as a Pool B head-to-head and Hendrix in-region)
Wash U is 25-10 (25-9 in-region) with Millikin to play. That is .734! I think that puts Wash U in. I will assume that the CWRU games in Chicago count, because I think that the UAA has a multi-region exemption.

That leaves York, Bethany Lutheran, Emory, Susquehanna and UDallas.

Thanks!

Do you see anyone else?

Ralph Turner · May 03, 2009, 09:49:19 PM

York is 27-14 in-region with a pretty respectable schedule.

Emory looks 18-17 in-region.

JohnnyU · May 03, 2009, 11:06:53 PM

I don't know if this even matters at this point, but this is posted on WashSTL's write up of the games against Case in chicago...

"Washington U. (19-9) is scheduled to return to action, weather permitting, on Sunday, April 26, against the University of Chicago at 10 a.m., with a game against Case Western Reserve to follow at 1 p.m.
Bear Notebook: Washington U. improved to 2-1 against Case Western Reserve this year, splitting two games with the Spartans earlier in the season at the 2009 University Athletic Association (UAA) Championship in Sanford, Fla. ... Saturday's contest against Case did not count as a UAA game or a regional game for the Bears ..."

24-8 vs. 25-9 doesn't make much of a difference I guess.

Question:
I understand they play a brutal schedule but if Chapman wasn't the 3-time defending West region champ, would they still be so solid? Also, should being the 3-time defending champ help their status at all?

Ralph Turner · May 03, 2009, 11:41:12 PM

Quote from: JohnnyU on May 03, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
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24-8 vs. 25-9 doesn't make much of a difference I guess.

Question:
I understand they play a brutal schedule but if Chapman wasn't the 3-time defending West region champ, would they still be so solid? Also, should being the 3-time defending champ help their status at all?

Thanks for the correction on the Case games! +1!

As for Chapman, Mr Ypsi's questions caused me to look at the Panthers more closely.

Chapman's defending champ role does not make a difference. When I looked back at their record, and whom they played, I thought that their role as a regionally ranked team was stronger than it was.

Now, I think that they are in, but just barely. I think that WashUStL makes a stronger case.

Salisbury
St. Scholastica
Ithaca
Wash U
Chapman

and I am looking at York PA over Emory, Susquehanna, UDallas and BLC.

Mr. Ypsi · May 04, 2009, 12:50:00 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 11:41:12 PM
Quote from: JohnnyU on May 03, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
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24-8 vs. 25-9 doesn't make much of a difference I guess.

Question:
I understand they play a brutal schedule but if Chapman wasn't the 3-time defending West region champ, would they still be so solid? Also, should being the 3-time defending champ help their status at all?

Thanks for the correction on the Case games! +1!

As for Chapman, Mr Ypsi's questions caused me to look at the Panthers more closely.

Chapman's defending champ role does not make a difference. When I looked back at their record, and whom they played, I thought that their role as a regionally ranked team was stronger than it was.

Now, I think that they are in, but just barely. I think that WashUStL makes a stronger case.

Salisbury
St. Scholastica
Ithaca
Wash U
Chapman

and I am looking at York PA over Emory, Susquehanna, UDallas and BLC.

Not having the OWP, OOWP numbers, I'd guess Emory is out on regional winning %, and Susquehanna and UD are hanging by a thread. IF BLC beats out CSS in their tourney, would you think they jump over York?

Ralph Turner · May 04, 2009, 01:29:03 AM

That is a long shot, isn't it!

Those games versus CSS are the only games versus a regionally ranked opponent 2-2 at best.

OshDude · May 04, 2009, 02:12:12 AM

Keep an eye on Chicago. Good schedule and some quality wins. If BLC and UD are on the short list, Chicago could probably be there. A Chicago "drill down" for you, Ralph.

1-0 Knox
1-1 Luther
1-0 Calvin
0-1 Buena Vista
0-1 Concordia Chicago
1-1 U Dallas
0-1 Aurora
0-1 Benedictine
2-0 Rose-Hulman
1-0 North Central (IL)
1-0 North Park
2-0 Case Western Reserve
0-1 Washington
1-0 Elmhurst
1-0 Wheaton
2-0 DePauw
1-1 Rockford
May 5 North Central (IL)
May 10 North Central (IL)

biggio34 · May 04, 2009, 06:31:30 PM

How much of lock would CSS be if they don't win the conference tournament? Bethany has to be treating this as if it were an AQ! I think Bethany Luth. gets there place at the table!

d3baseballnut · May 05, 2009, 03:53:50 PM

Quote from: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 03:49:33 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 05, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Nebraska Welseyan is actually an NCAA D3 and NAIA member. They have a dual membership.

Here is the link to all Central Region teams: http://www.d3baseball.com/region/Central

They are an independent team that plays in the Great Plains Athletic Conference (GPAC) which is a predominantly NAIA conference.

HAHA-what?? That is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard!!

Which playoffs do they participate in???.....which ever one accepts them?

After thinking about this.....there are serious implications here!!

How is no one considering them for a Pool B bid then?!? They are 28-11 with some pretty good wins over common D3 teams. While we are scraping around trying to figure out who wants to be a Pool B team, this team is racking up wins at 28-11.

We need to put this team into the mix.....seriously. I think 28-11 is plenty good enough to get them into the tournament.....how about over York or Wash U or Chapman??

Mr. Ypsi · May 05, 2009, 04:00:24 PM

28-11 is their overall record - many of the games are not even d3, much less in-region. Before we tout them, anyone know what their in-region record would be?

BB: Pool B

OshDude